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PostSubject: Re: Transfer Rumors/Should we look abroad?   Transfer Rumors/Should we look abroad? - Page 5 EmptyThu Jul 06, 2023 8:03 pm

Angry wrote:
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the local rag has us linked with Celtic goalkeeper Conor Hazard on a perm quoting six figure transfer fee....

do we need a keeper at the moment over the other areas of the picture thst need attention? there is no doubt in my mind cooper wont be ready for the start of the season as you dont just get over an ACL tear it will take time and if he and the club are smart they wont rush recovery even if he does play a few minutes in a re season game so signing a keeper on a 6 month loan would have been a good move but im not so sure we need to be signing a keeper on a perm while cooper is still here and burton too doesnt make sense to me right now.

We do need a keeper, absolutely we do. Nothing against Burton but until coming here he has basically been a number 2 keeper at League2 level. He did ok for us and we got over the line without him having, let’s be honest, a great deal to do.

He isn’t good enough to be playing regularly in the Championship.

If this move happens it makes sense. This fella will know he’s gonna play straight away, no disrespect to Burton but he will. Then he’ll know Cooper is destined for bigger things so there’s a chance for him to stake a long term claim to our no.1 jersey.

but do you spend a 6 figure sum on a backup keeper now though. Plus where this guy from Celtic is concerned the last 2 players we brought in from them where absolute dogshit so im wary if there is legs to this story.

If you’re thinking about the bigger picture, and this guys potential to fill Coopers boots in 12 months, then yes. Absolutely you do.

Also, if you want to start thinking like a Championship team, then you have start acting like one.
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What’s this im hearing rumour in talks with a Celtic goal keeper
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Czarcasm wrote:
Angry wrote:
Czarcasm wrote:
Angry wrote:
the local rag has us linked with Celtic goalkeeper Conor Hazard on a perm quoting six figure transfer fee....

do we need a keeper at the moment over the other areas of the picture thst need attention? there is no doubt in my mind cooper wont be ready for the start of the season as you dont just get over an ACL tear it will take time and if he and the club are smart they wont rush recovery even if he does play a few minutes in a re season game so signing a keeper on a 6 month loan would have been a good move but im not so sure we need to be signing a keeper on a perm while cooper is still here and burton too doesnt make sense to me right now.

We do need a keeper, absolutely we do. Nothing against Burton but until coming here he has basically been a number 2 keeper at League2 level. He did ok for us and we got over the line without him having, let’s be honest, a great deal to do.

He isn’t good enough to be playing regularly in the Championship.

If this move happens it makes sense. This fella will know he’s gonna play straight away, no disrespect to Burton but he will. Then he’ll know Cooper is destined for bigger things so there’s a chance for him to stake a long term claim to our no.1 jersey.

but do you spend a 6 figure sum on a backup keeper now though. Plus where this guy from Celtic is concerned the last 2 players we brought in from them where absolute dogshit so im wary if there is legs to this story.

If you’re thinking about the bigger picture, and this guys potential to fill Coopers boots in 12 months, then yes. Absolutely you do.

Also, if you want to start thinking like a Championship team, then you have start acting like one.


true but given we know the budget isnt brilliant compared to other teams from what we here and there are other areas of the pitch that need strengthening too im just not sold on the idea of parting with that amount of cash with add ons too for a 3rd choice keeper atm that would be a gamble hoping he is equal or better than Copper when he decides to move if ever as we dont know how his ability will be affected from his injury that will impact him for awhile.

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Angry wrote:
the local rag has us linked with Celtic goalkeeper Conor Hazard on a perm quoting six figure transfer fee....

do we need a keeper at the moment over the other areas of the picture thst need attention? there is no doubt in my mind cooper wont be ready for the start of the season as you dont just get over an ACL tear it will take time and if he and the club are smart they wont rush recovery even if he does play a few minutes in a re season game so signing a keeper on a 6 month loan would have been a good move but im not so sure we need to be signing a keeper on a perm while cooper is still here and burton too doesnt make sense to me right now.
when he first done the injury I think it was worse as them ACL injuries can be ..they were talking Christmas time earliest  return then .but there’s club don’t seem to say how well his rehab is coming on or progressing.so that could be the answer to the question
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Angry wrote:
Czarcasm wrote:
Angry wrote:
the local rag has us linked with Celtic goalkeeper Conor Hazard on a perm quoting six figure transfer fee....

do we need a keeper at the moment over the other areas of the picture thst need attention? there is no doubt in my mind cooper wont be ready for the start of the season as you dont just get over an ACL tear it will take time and if he and the club are smart they wont rush recovery even if he does play a few minutes in a re season game so signing a keeper on a 6 month loan would have been a good move but im not so sure we need to be signing a keeper on a perm while cooper is still here and burton too doesnt make sense to me right now.

We do need a keeper, absolutely we do. Nothing against Burton but until coming here he has basically been a number 2 keeper at League2 level. He did ok for us and we got over the line without him having, let’s be honest, a great deal to do.

He isn’t good enough to be playing regularly in the Championship.

If this move happens it makes sense. This fella will know he’s gonna play straight away, no disrespect to Burton but he will. Then he’ll know Cooper is destined for bigger things so there’s a chance for him to stake a long term claim to our no.1 jersey.

but do you spend a 6 figure sum on a backup keeper now though. Plus where this guy from Celtic is concerned the last 2 players we brought in from them where absolute dogshit so im wary if there is legs to this story.
six figure for a back up keeper seems a bit dear unless the plan is still to sell cooper when his fit & able maybe ..just a thought
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We obviously play Celtic at least 4 times a season. Last three seasons we also played in two Scottish Cup Finals against them. Hazard hardly plays for them really as they have Joe Hart as their No1. Hazard did play in one of the finals and saved two of our penalties to secure the cup for them. In general play though he was pretty shaky - he gifted us our third goal, spilled some shots and flapped at several crosses. Personally I would caution hopes of him becoming the future No1 but I may be being unfair in that he may have had a really bad game that one time he played that I can recall. He’s probably ok for a No2 though
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RegGreen wrote:
Angry wrote:
Czarcasm wrote:
Angry wrote:
the local rag has us linked with Celtic goalkeeper Conor Hazard on a perm quoting six figure transfer fee....

do we need a keeper at the moment over the other areas of the picture thst need attention? there is no doubt in my mind cooper wont be ready for the start of the season as you dont just get over an ACL tear it will take time and if he and the club are smart they wont rush recovery even if he does play a few minutes in a re season game so signing a keeper on a 6 month loan would have been a good move but im not so sure we need to be signing a keeper on a perm while cooper is still here and burton too doesnt make sense to me right now.

We do need a keeper, absolutely we do. Nothing against Burton but until coming here he has basically been a number 2 keeper at League2 level. He did ok for us and we got over the line without him having, let’s be honest, a great deal to do.

He isn’t good enough to be playing regularly in the Championship.

If this move happens it makes sense. This fella will know he’s gonna play straight away, no disrespect to Burton but he will. Then he’ll know Cooper is destined for bigger things so there’s a chance for him to stake a long term claim to our no.1 jersey.

but do you spend a 6 figure sum on a backup keeper now though. Plus where this guy from Celtic is concerned the last 2 players we brought in from them where absolute dogshit so im wary if there is legs to this story.
six figure for a back up keeper seems a bit dear unless the plan is still to sell cooper when his fit & able maybe ..just a thought

could be but its still a gamble to make where we have to hope Copper isnt too affected by the injury as you are right in your other post christmas at the earliest if the plan is to move him on we and him have to hope he relearn the basics he will retrain himself on the bad knee to come back stronger with no lasting effects otherwise i dont see clubs being so quick to snap him up january or end of the season iif the medical is going to be a problem or he lost some ability. All what if's at the moment of course.
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Jambo Pasty wrote:
We obviously play Celtic at least 4 times a season. Last three seasons we also played in two Scottish Cup Finals against them. Hazard hardly plays for them really as they have Joe Hart as their No1. Hazard did play in one of the finals and saved two of our penalties to secure the cup for them. In general play though he was pretty shaky - he gifted us our third goal, spilled some shots and flapped at several crosses. Personally I would caution hopes of him becoming the future No1 but I may be being unfair in that he may have had a really bad game that one time he played that I can recall. He’s probably ok for a No2 though

ive seen a few spl fans say hes dodgy when it comes to balls in the air coming out for crosses and for a 6 figure sum with add ons i would want a keeper pushing to be number one whether cooper is here or not and im not being sold on hazard. Ive said befor im gunshy when it comes to celtic players coming here when the last 2 where utter dross cillian sheridan and Nadir Çiftçi.
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PostSubject: Re: Transfer Rumors/Should we look abroad?   Transfer Rumors/Should we look abroad? - Page 5 EmptyFri Jul 07, 2023 1:38 pm

No way can we start the season with just one experienced keeper, need two keepers in each matchday squad, so it's up to Hazard and Burton to make themselves first choice.

Cooper probably won't be match fit until Christmas so perhaps one of the three will be loaned out or sold in the January window.
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Cooper probably won't be match fit until Christmas so perhaps one of the three will be loaned out or sold in the January window.


How 'match fit' does a keeper need to be? It wasn't that long ago that they used to stand between the sticks having a snout and a natter with the chaps behind the goal.
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Les Miserable wrote:
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Cooper probably won't be match fit until Christmas so perhaps one of the three will be loaned out or sold in the January window.


How 'match fit' does a keeper need to be? It wasn't that long ago that they used to stand between the sticks having a snout and a natter with the chaps behind the goal.

true lol but in all seriousness he has to rebuild that knee from scratch relearn how to jump kick land and all the over activities goalies do all while learning to adapt to the fact he has a surgically repaired knee so it wont be a quick fix. Worse thing he can do is do what the other cooper did and rush back and reinjure himself ruining his career
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Seen at Home Park this morning

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Seen at Home Park this morning

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hopefully true but not likely if its based on that photo lol
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Angry wrote:
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Seen at Home Park this morning

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hopefully true but not likely if its based on that photo lol
yeah since when we had trees in barn park lol! photoshopped I reckon
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Angry wrote:
Les Miserable wrote:
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Cooper probably won't be match fit until Christmas so perhaps one of the three will be loaned out or sold in the January window.


How 'match fit' does a keeper need to be? It wasn't that long ago that they used to stand between the sticks having a snout and a natter with the chaps behind the goal.

true lol but in all seriousness he has to rebuild that knee from scratch relearn how to jump kick land and all the over activities goalies do all while learning to adapt to the fact he has a surgically repaired knee so it wont be a quick fix. Worse thing he can do is do what the other cooper did and rush back and reinjure himself ruining his career

Keepers used to be athletes like William 'Fatty' Foulke, the Sheffield Utd and Bradford City keeper

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Freathy wrote:
Angry wrote:
Les Miserable wrote:
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Cooper probably won't be match fit until Christmas so perhaps one of the three will be loaned out or sold in the January window.


How 'match fit' does a keeper need to be? It wasn't that long ago that they used to stand between the sticks having a snout and a natter with the chaps behind the goal.

true lol but in all seriousness he has to rebuild that knee from scratch relearn how to jump kick land and all the over activities goalies do all while learning to adapt to the fact he has a surgically repaired knee so it wont be a quick fix. Worse thing he can do is do what the other cooper did and rush back and reinjure himself ruining his career

Keepers used to be athletes like William 'Fatty' Foulke, the Sheffield Utd and Bradford City keeper

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indeed and he was probably better at corners than cooper as well lol!
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PostSubject: Re: Transfer Rumors/Should we look abroad?   Transfer Rumors/Should we look abroad? - Page 5 EmptyTue Jul 11, 2023 9:50 am

Supposedly Conor Hazard only costing £150k from Celtic. Price might be indicative of his level but hopefully he develops. Signing imminent apparently.
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Should make myself clearer on my previous post - Argyle have agreed to pay Celtic £150k for Hazard and that he was having his medical yesterday.
I’ve not seen it reported there were any issues so logic would say he will be signing imminently
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why on earth have celtic insisted n add ons for a 4th choice keeper who cant catch a ball crossed into the box who isnt destined to be a premiership star....

At least the inital fee is lower than i first thought which is something i guess.
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They do it for all their transfers. I could go on an absolute about Celtic & Rangers and their behaviour dealing with other Scottish clubs on transfers but it’d bore Argyle fans.
It’ll all be about “If he magically comes good” they don’t lose out and most clubs don’t really focus on those costs but the transfer fee. The add-on can typically be multiples of the transfer fee in the end.
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Jambo Pasty wrote:
They do it for all their transfers. I could go on an absolute about Celtic & Rangers and their behaviour dealing with other Scottish clubs on transfers but it’d bore Argyle fans.
It’ll all be about “If he magically comes good” they don’t lose out and most clubs don’t really focus on those costs but the transfer fee. The add-on can typically be multiples of the transfer fee in the end.

the old firm are as dodgy as they get you would be preaching to the converted here buddy. I see he has signed now so i will obviously give him a chance and support now he plays here but im not sold on him i have to admit.
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Angry wrote:
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hopefully true but not likely if its based on that photo lol

That’s a dodgy photo alright but I do think Azaz is headed this way
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Beginning to feel like we're struggling to make signings.   Hallett's philosophy of being 'smart' with a small budget is not quite working at this level.
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Beginning to feel like we're struggling to make signings.   Hallett's philosophy of being 'smart' with a small budget is not quite working at this level.

we need to start picking it up for pace now i feel. While yes the deadline is end of august so no need to panic at all but im yet to see us linked with a striker and we need 2! we need a central midfielder not seen us linked with anyone bar Terry Taylor who isnt moving in our direction atm we certainly need attacking wingers on both flanks love for them to be Azaz and Whittaker but highly unlikely to be both and another central defender cause we need a leader and increase the options given we lost 3 during the summer and brought in two and given that Miller is injury prone and Earley is still developing his game another LWB too.

So thats 7 players needed.  I gather 4 of those 7 will be loanees no issues with that but it still begs the question why we spent funds on a keeper when we have other areas that needed improving first.
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Little/No comfort to know that the equivalent thread on my Hearts forum has now amassed over 19,400 posts on this transfer window alone so far. We’re page 389 and we have not made one single signing yet. The frustrations levels are really through the roof.

Personally I would give Hallett and the team time to pull them together. - they’ll be busting a gut to secure the right players and they will get them. Our experience is increasingly they get signed closer and closer to the season starting and indeed we’ve even picked up a couple of absolute gems after the start on frees. It’s difficult & frustrating but I have confidence Hallett will do you ok.

Obviously I gather & understand money’s incredibly tight to pay fees for players but what sort of wages are typically offered? Is it £3k/£4k or more £8k/£10k per week?
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