Time For a Boycott?

Sir Francis Drake wrote:

I think the last Hodges XI started at Torquay on November 14th 2000 (as memory suggests) and Greens On Screen gives this line-up:

John Hodges, Paul Wotton, Jon Beswetherick, Chris Leadbitter, Steve Adams, Craig Taylor, Martin Phillips, Martin Barlow, Sean McCarthy, Paul McGregor, Lee Phillips. Subs: Steve Guinan, Jason Peake, Kevin Wills.

The most recent Sheridan line-up was:

McCormick, Nelson, McHugh, Hartley, Mellor, Lee (Cox 70), Bobby Reid, O'Connor, Talbot, Alessandra, Reuben Reid (Brunt 89). Non-playing subs: Bittner, Purrington, Norburn, Flanagan.

I'd say the best XI from those two is:

McCormick, Mellor, Beswetherick, Taylor, Nelson, Hartley,  O'Connor, Ledbitter, Phillips, RReid, McGregor.

So that's 6-5 in favour of Sheridan's mob.

Not exactly conclusive that either squad is better but more suggestive that they are much the same.

Adam Barrett and Chris Hargreaves were pretty decent in that side as well. The notion that This squad would wipe the floor with the Hodges squad is pure unequivocal nonsense.
And i'm not trying to big up the Hodges era either, merely pointing out that Brent has delivered a squad no better then Mad Dan's and yet is enjoying an easy ride.

Punchdrunk wrote:

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God give me strength.

I know the chap who is in photo seven.

Punchdrunk wrote:

They are what they are,mediocre league 2 players with a mediocre league 2 manager, and what do you get ?
A mediocre league 2 side that sits between mid table and the play off's..no shit Sherlock.

And this team is head and shoulders above Kevin Hodges/ Macauleys Argyle ejh ?!  My arse is it.

zyph wrote:

This squad is adequate for Div 2......and when they are playing well have proved that they could get us out of this division.......life in Div 1 is a different kettle of fish, needing new players to strengthen the squad......we have to live post-administration and do it with minimum funds.....keeping to the repayment of that debt.....which the FL oversee.

Matt Parsons: Premier League
Jason Banton: Premier League
Anthony O'Connor: Championship
Reuben Reid: Championship/League One
Dominic Blizzard: Championship/League One
Peter Hartley: League One
Carl McHugh: League One
Lee Cox: League One
Marvin Morgan: League One
Kelvin Mellor: League One
Lewis Alessandra: League Two
Luke McCormick: League Two
Ollie Norburn: League Two/Conference
Ryan Brunt: Conference

The above is a list of the permanent signings Sheridan has made while at the club, followed by either the previous standard of football they were playing, or the tier of the club we signed the player from.

Here is the same with Sheridan's loan deals.

Caolan Lavery: Championship
Andy Kellett: Championship
Olly Lee: Championship
Bobby Reid: League One
Paul Hayes: League One
Drew Talbot: League One
Tom Flanagan: League One


To say we have an average midtable League Two quality squad as another stick to beat Brent with is pure nonsense and totally ignores the facts. It is getting to the point where you must have to suspend reality to believe that James Brent is actively signing crap players to save money and keep Argyle shit forever?

......and I know four of the people in photo six........anymore bids.

ejh wrote:

zyph wrote:

This squad is adequate for Div 2......and when they are playing well have proved that they could get us out of this division.......life in Div 1 is a different kettle of fish, needing new players to strengthen the squad......we have to live post-administration and do it with minimum funds.....keeping to the repayment of that debt.....which the FL oversee.

Matt Parsons: Premier League
Jason Banton: Premier League
Anthony O'Connor: Championship
Reuben Reid: Championship/League One
Dominic Blizzard: Championship/League One
Peter Hartley: League One
Carl McHugh: League One
Lee Cox: League One
Marvin Morgan: League One
Kelvin Mellor: League One
Lewis Alessandra: League Two
Luke McCormick: League Two
Ollie Norburn: League Two/Conference
Ryan Brunt: Conference

The above is a list of the permanent signings Sheridan has made while at the club, followed by either the previous standard of football they were playing, or the tier of the club we signed the player from.

Here is the same with Sheridan's loan deals.

Andy Kellett: Championship
Olly Lee: Championship
Bobby Reid: League One
Paul Hayes: League One
Drew Talbot: League One
Tom Flanagan: League One


To say we have an average midtable League Two quality squad as another stick to beat Brent with is pure nonsense and totally ignores the facts. It is getting to the point where you must have to suspend reality to believe that James Brent is actively signing crap players to save money and keep Argyle shit forever?

zyph wrote:

......and I know four of the people in photo six........anymore bids.

The chap i know in photo seven was on tv, that game show with Anne Robinson. I believe he got to the final and won money.

He is a good lad.

ejh wrote:

zyph wrote:

This squad is adequate for Div 2......and when they are playing well have proved that they could get us out of this division.......life in Div 1 is a different kettle of fish, needing new players to strengthen the squad......we have to live post-administration and do it with minimum funds.....keeping to the repayment of that debt.....which the FL oversee.

Matt Parsons: Premier League
Jason Banton: Premier League
Anthony O'Connor: Championship
Reuben Reid: Championship/League One
Dominic Blizzard: Championship/League One
Peter Hartley: League One
Carl McHugh: League One
Lee Cox: League One
Marvin Morgan: League One
Kelvin Mellor: League One
Lewis Alessandra: League Two
Luke McCormick: League Two
Ollie Norburn: League Two/Conference
Ryan Brunt: Conference

The above is a list of the permanent signings Sheridan has made while at the club, followed by either the previous standard of football they were playing, or the tier of the club we signed the player from.

Here is the same with Sheridan's loan deals.

Andy Kellett: Championship
Olly Lee: Championship
Bobby Reid: League One
Paul Hayes: League One
Drew Talbot: League One
Tom Flanagan: League One


To say we have an average midtable League Two quality squad as another stick to beat Brent with is pure nonsense and totally ignores the facts. It is getting to the point where you must have to suspend reality to believe that James Brent is actively signing crap players to save money and keep Argyle shit forever?

Most of the Hodges squad also plied their careers at a higher level at some point in their careers just like many players do at other clubs.

Parsons....Crap
Banton....Crap
Blizzard...Crap
McHugh....Dodgy
Morgan...uber Crap
Norburn...Average
Lee.....Average
Hayes...Coudnt hit a barn door with a banjo when he was at Argyle
Flanagan....Dodgy

ejh wrote:

Punchdrunk wrote:

They are what they are,mediocre league 2 players with a mediocre league 2 manager, and what do you get ?
A mediocre league 2 side that sits between mid table and the play off's..no shit Sherlock.

And this team is head and shoulders above Kevin Hodges/ Macauleys Argyle ejh ?!  My arse is it.

zyph wrote:

This squad is adequate for Div 2......and when they are playing well have proved that they could get us out of this division.......life in Div 1 is a different kettle of fish, needing new players to strengthen the squad......we have to live post-administration and do it with minimum funds.....keeping to the repayment of that debt.....which the FL oversee.

Matt Parsons: Premier League
Jason Banton: Premier League
Anthony O'Connor: Championship
Reuben Reid: Championship/League One
Dominic Blizzard: Championship/League One
Peter Hartley: League One
Carl McHugh: League One
Lee Cox: League One
Marvin Morgan: League One
Kelvin Mellor: League One
Lewis Alessandra: League Two
Luke McCormick: League Two
Ollie Norburn: League Two/Conference
Ryan Brunt: Conference

The above is a list of the permanent signings Sheridan has made while at the club, followed by either the previous standard of football they were playing, or the tier of the club we signed the player from.

Here is the same with Sheridan's loan deals.

Caolan Lavery: Championship
Andy Kellett: Championship
Olly Lee: Championship
Bobby Reid: League One
Paul Hayes: League One
Drew Talbot: League One
Tom Flanagan: League One


To say we have an average midtable League Two quality squad as another stick to beat Brent with is pure nonsense and totally ignores the facts. It is getting to the point where you must have to suspend reality to believe that James Brent is actively signing crap players to save money and keep Argyle shit forever?

How come your hero's squad of top drawer winners struggled to beat Accy Stan for their first win in eight? with a couple of exceptions they joined Mid table non ambitious Argyle, because other clubs were not interested! they are fourth division journeymen thats all.

We will see at the end of the season eh !?
Here on ATD the 'good guys' have a knack of being proved right

ejh wrote:

Punchdrunk wrote:

They are what they are,mediocre league 2 players with a mediocre league 2 manager, and what do you get ?
A mediocre league 2 side that sits between mid table and the play off's..no shit Sherlock.

And this team is head and shoulders above Kevin Hodges/ Macauleys Argyle ejh ?!  My arse is it.

zyph wrote:

This squad is adequate for Div 2......and when they are playing well have proved that they could get us out of this division.......life in Div 1 is a different kettle of fish, needing new players to strengthen the squad......we have to live post-administration and do it with minimum funds.....keeping to the repayment of that debt.....which the FL oversee.

Matt Parsons: Premier League
Jason Banton: Premier League
Anthony O'Connor: Championship
Reuben Reid: Championship/League One
Dominic Blizzard: Championship/League One
Peter Hartley: League One
Carl McHugh: League One
Lee Cox: League One
Marvin Morgan: League One
Kelvin Mellor: League One
Lewis Alessandra: League Two
Luke McCormick: League Two
Ollie Norburn: League Two/Conference
Ryan Brunt: Conference

The above is a list of the permanent signings Sheridan has made while at the club, followed by either the previous standard of football they were playing, or the tier of the club we signed the player from.

Here is the same with Sheridan's loan deals.

Caolan Lavery: Championship
Andy Kellett: Championship
Olly Lee: Championship
Bobby Reid: League One
Paul Hayes: League One
Drew Talbot: League One
Tom Flanagan: League One


To say we have an average midtable League Two quality squad as another stick to beat Brent with is pure nonsense and totally ignores the facts. It is getting to the point where you must have to suspend reality to believe that James Brent is actively signing crap players to save money and keep Argyle shit forever?

EJH I think you present a logical debate, I doubt most others would see it that way as it doesn't match their agenda.
There's no doubt Sheridans has brought some good quality players to this club, a couple of failures as well, but hey even the best premier managers buy some duck eggs.
As to whether Sheridan brings out the best in them well that's open for discussion and come May if we don't get promotion he'll be gone anyway.

Can the Trust ask why Brent is signing crap players to save money and keep Argyle shit forever at the next meeting?, and pasties - always good to ask a question about pasties.

Graiser wrote:

ejh wrote:

Punchdrunk wrote:

They are what they are,mediocre league 2 players with a mediocre league 2 manager, and what do you get ?
A mediocre league 2 side that sits between mid table and the play off's..no shit Sherlock.

And this team is head and shoulders above Kevin Hodges/ Macauleys Argyle ejh ?!  My arse is it.

zyph wrote:

This squad is adequate for Div 2......and when they are playing well have proved that they could get us out of this division.......life in Div 1 is a different kettle of fish, needing new players to strengthen the squad......we have to live post-administration and do it with minimum funds.....keeping to the repayment of that debt.....which the FL oversee.

Matt Parsons: Premier League
Jason Banton: Premier League
Anthony O'Connor: Championship
Reuben Reid: Championship/League One
Dominic Blizzard: Championship/League One
Peter Hartley: League One
Carl McHugh: League One
Lee Cox: League One
Marvin Morgan: League One
Kelvin Mellor: League One
Lewis Alessandra: League Two
Luke McCormick: League Two
Ollie Norburn: League Two/Conference
Ryan Brunt: Conference

The above is a list of the permanent signings Sheridan has made while at the club, followed by either the previous standard of football they were playing, or the tier of the club we signed the player from.

Here is the same with Sheridan's loan deals.

Caolan Lavery: Championship
Andy Kellett: Championship
Olly Lee: Championship
Bobby Reid: League One
Paul Hayes: League One
Drew Talbot: League One
Tom Flanagan: League One


To say we have an average midtable League Two quality squad as another stick to beat Brent with is pure nonsense and totally ignores the facts. It is getting to the point where you must have to suspend reality to believe that James Brent is actively signing crap players to save money and keep Argyle shit forever?

EJH I think you present a logical debate, I doubt most others would see it that way as it doesn't match their agenda.
There's no doubt Sheridans has brought some good quality players to this club, a couple of failures as well, but hey even the best premier managers buy some duck eggs.
As to whether Sheridan brings out the best in them well that's open for discussion and come May if we don't get promotion he'll be gone anyway.

Using logic you could also ask the question why these players aren't playing in the CCC or League 1 now? The answer to that is that they arent deemed good enough by their parent clubs to play in that division. If we had bought those players from those divisions when they were playing every game and scoring goals we wouldn't be where we are now. The table speaks for itself, 1 win in 8 is it?

who is "chippy"? Bored of argyle 'celebrities'.

Anyway applying your logic of rating our squad Craig Noone would have been the Robert conference north or something, shorely not the right pedigree for a Brent side?

Graiser wrote:

ejh wrote:

Punchdrunk wrote:

They are what they are,mediocre league 2 players with a mediocre league 2 manager, and what do you get ?
A mediocre league 2 side that sits between mid table and the play off's..no shit Sherlock.

And this team is head and shoulders above Kevin Hodges/ Macauleys Argyle ejh ?!  My arse is it.

zyph wrote:

This squad is adequate for Div 2......and when they are playing well have proved that they could get us out of this division.......life in Div 1 is a different kettle of fish, needing new players to strengthen the squad......we have to live post-administration and do it with minimum funds.....keeping to the repayment of that debt.....which the FL oversee.

Matt Parsons: Premier League
Jason Banton: Premier League
Anthony O'Connor: Championship
Reuben Reid: Championship/League One
Dominic Blizzard: Championship/League One
Peter Hartley: League One
Carl McHugh: League One
Lee Cox: League One
Marvin Morgan: League One
Kelvin Mellor: League One
Lewis Alessandra: League Two
Luke McCormick: League Two
Ollie Norburn: League Two/Conference
Ryan Brunt: Conference

The above is a list of the permanent signings Sheridan has made while at the club, followed by either the previous standard of football they were playing, or the tier of the club we signed the player from.

Here is the same with Sheridan's loan deals.

Caolan Lavery: Championship
Andy Kellett: Championship
Olly Lee: Championship
Bobby Reid: League One
Paul Hayes: League One
Drew Talbot: League One
Tom Flanagan: League One


To say we have an average midtable League Two quality squad as another stick to beat Brent with is pure nonsense and totally ignores the facts. It is getting to the point where you must have to suspend reality to believe that James Brent is actively signing crap players to save money and keep Argyle shit forever?

EJH I think you present a logical debate, I doubt most others would see it that way as it doesn't match their agenda.
There's no doubt Sheridans has brought some good quality players to this club, a couple of failures as well, but hey even the best premier managers buy some duck eggs.
As to whether Sheridan brings out the best in them well that's open for discussion and come May if we don't get promotion he'll be gone anyway.

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got to get your little dig in havent you lol

Punchdrunk wrote:

ejh wrote:

zyph wrote:

This squad is adequate for Div 2......and when they are playing well have proved that they could get us out of this division.......life in Div 1 is a different kettle of fish, needing new players to strengthen the squad......we have to live post-administration and do it with minimum funds.....keeping to the repayment of that debt.....which the FL oversee.

Matt Parsons: Premier League
Jason Banton: Premier League
Anthony O'Connor: Championship
Reuben Reid: Championship/League One
Dominic Blizzard: Championship/League One
Peter Hartley: League One
Carl McHugh: League One
Lee Cox: League One
Marvin Morgan: League One
Kelvin Mellor: League One
Lewis Alessandra: League Two
Luke McCormick: League Two
Ollie Norburn: League Two/Conference
Ryan Brunt: Conference

The above is a list of the permanent signings Sheridan has made while at the club, followed by either the previous standard of football they were playing, or the tier of the club we signed the player from.

Here is the same with Sheridan's loan deals.

Andy Kellett: Championship
Olly Lee: Championship
Bobby Reid: League One
Paul Hayes: League One
Drew Talbot: League One
Tom Flanagan: League One


To say we have an average midtable League Two quality squad as another stick to beat Brent with is pure nonsense and totally ignores the facts. It is getting to the point where you must have to suspend reality to believe that James Brent is actively signing crap players to save money and keep Argyle shit forever?

Most of the Hodges squad also plied their careers at a higher level at some point in their careers just like many players do at other clubs.

Parsons....Crap
Banton....Crap
Blizzard...Crap
McHugh....Dodgy
Morgan...uber Crap
Norburn...Average
Lee.....Average
Hayes...Coudnt hit a barn door with a banjo when he was at Argyle
Flanagan....Dodgy

These players had good reputations and were proven at higher levels than League Two.

If only Sheridan and Brent had as much wisdom as you have when we signed these players. We might not have paid them so much, or signed them at all.

You could have advised them to show some real ambition and sign the next Paul Gibbs.

Iggy wrote:

Graiser wrote:

ejh wrote:

Punchdrunk wrote:

They are what they are,mediocre league 2 players with a mediocre league 2 manager, and what do you get ?
A mediocre league 2 side that sits between mid table and the play off's..no shit Sherlock.

And this team is head and shoulders above Kevin Hodges/ Macauleys Argyle ejh ?!  My arse is it.

zyph wrote:

This squad is adequate for Div 2......and when they are playing well have proved that they could get us out of this division.......life in Div 1 is a different kettle of fish, needing new players to strengthen the squad......we have to live post-administration and do it with minimum funds.....keeping to the repayment of that debt.....which the FL oversee.

Matt Parsons: Premier League
Jason Banton: Premier League
Anthony O'Connor: Championship
Reuben Reid: Championship/League One
Dominic Blizzard: Championship/League One
Peter Hartley: League One
Carl McHugh: League One
Lee Cox: League One
Marvin Morgan: League One
Kelvin Mellor: League One
Lewis Alessandra: League Two
Luke McCormick: League Two
Ollie Norburn: League Two/Conference
Ryan Brunt: Conference

The above is a list of the permanent signings Sheridan has made while at the club, followed by either the previous standard of football they were playing, or the tier of the club we signed the player from.

Here is the same with Sheridan's loan deals.

Caolan Lavery: Championship
Andy Kellett: Championship
Olly Lee: Championship
Bobby Reid: League One
Paul Hayes: League One
Drew Talbot: League One
Tom Flanagan: League One


To say we have an average midtable League Two quality squad as another stick to beat Brent with is pure nonsense and totally ignores the facts. It is getting to the point where you must have to suspend reality to believe that James Brent is actively signing crap players to save money and keep Argyle shit forever?

EJH I think you present a logical debate, I doubt most others would see it that way as it doesn't match their agenda.
There's no doubt Sheridans has brought some good quality players to this club, a couple of failures as well, but hey even the best premier managers buy some duck eggs.
As to whether Sheridan brings out the best in them well that's open for discussion and come May if we don't get promotion he'll be gone anyway.

Using logic you could also ask the question why these players aren't playing in the CCC or League 1 now? The answer to that is that they arent deemed good enough by their parent clubs to play in that division. If we had bought those players from those divisions when they were playing every game and scoring goals we wouldn't be where we are now. The table speaks for itself, 1 win in 8 is it?

I can see both sides of the argument so maybe the data is good but the wrong hypothesis is being tested?

As an alternative why not consider what happened to them post-Argyle?

This chops the outcomes down significantly becase most of them are still here but:

Matt Parsons: I don't know but probably still injured
Marvin Morgan: Hartlepoole L2
Caolan Lavery: Chesterfield L1 (unsure about this)
Andy Kellett: Man Utd (that still sounds amazing, doesn't it!)
Paul Hayes: Wycombe L2

So 2 on the way up (Lavery and Kellett) and 2 stagnators (Morgan and Hayes). Matt Parsons is the tie-breaker here but whatever he's doing any conclusions are of dubious worth given no clear pattern.

Ultimately it is League position that counts and we're 8th: better than we have been and not as good as I feel it should be.

matt parsons is currently playing non league football for maidenhead.

Angry wrote:

matt parsons is currently playing non league football for maidenhead.

I rest my case


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Iggy wrote:

Anyway applying your logic of rating our squad Craig Noone would have been the Robert conference north or something, shorely not the right pedigree for a Brent side?

I am simply saying that these aren't cheap mediocre 'journeymen', as some of you insist on saying.

All of our signings have been under 30 years of age, and with the exception of 3, come from clubs higher than us in the pyramid, for the most part higher tiers.

Yet some of you with the anti Brent agenda will not accept that he delivers decent quality players for Sheridan relative to our position. In fact you argue the players are average and crap.

McCormick, Hartley, McHugh, Nelson, Mellor, Cox, O'Connor and Reuben Reid are League One quality players in my opinion. It is only a mixture of Sheridan's failings as a manager, a bit of bad luck with injuries, and disputes over loan extensions that have stopped this side being where it deserves to be - which is around 3rd to 5th in my opinion.

Hopefully there is time enough yet to rebuild the momentum necessary to get our snouts in the playoffs.

sufferedsince 68 wrote:

ejh wrote:

Punchdrunk wrote:

They are what they are,mediocre league 2 players with a mediocre league 2 manager, and what do you get ?
A mediocre league 2 side that sits between mid table and the play off's..no shit Sherlock.

And this team is head and shoulders above Kevin Hodges/ Macauleys Argyle ejh ?!  My arse is it.

zyph wrote:

This squad is adequate for Div 2......and when they are playing well have proved that they could get us out of this division.......life in Div 1 is a different kettle of fish, needing new players to strengthen the squad......we have to live post-administration and do it with minimum funds.....keeping to the repayment of that debt.....which the FL oversee.

Matt Parsons: Premier League
Jason Banton: Premier League
Anthony O'Connor: Championship
Reuben Reid: Championship/League One
Dominic Blizzard: Championship/League One
Peter Hartley: League On
Carl McHugh: League One
Lee Cox: League One
Marvin Morgan: League One
Kelvin Mellor: League One
Lewis Alessandra: League Two
Luke McCormick: League Two
Ollie Norburn: League Two/Conference
Ryan Brunt: Conference

The above is a list of the permanent signings Sheridan has made while at the club, followed by either the previous standard of football they were playing, or the tier of the club we signed the player from.

Here is the same with Sheridan's loan deals.

Caolan Lavery: Championship
Andy Kellett: Championship
Olly Lee: Championship
Bobby Reid: League One
Paul Hayes: League One
Drew Talbot: League One
Tom Flanagan: League One


To say we have an average midtable League Two quality squad as another stick to beat Brent with is pure nonsense and totally ignores the facts. It is getting to the point where you must have to suspend reality to believe that James Brent is actively signing crap players to save money and keep Argyle shit forever?

How come your hero's squad of top drawer winners struggled to beat Accy Stan for their first win in eight? with a couple of exceptions they joined Mid table non ambitious Argyle, because other clubs were not interested! they are fourth division journeymen thats all.

I expect some Chelsea supporters were asking the same question when Bradford beat them in their own back yard, not quite as simple as that is it ?

ejh wrote:

Iggy wrote:

Anyway applying your logic of rating our squad Craig Noone would have been the Robert conference north or something, shorely not the right pedigree for a Brent side?

I am simply saying that these aren't cheap mediocre 'journeymen', as some of you insist on saying.

All of our signings have been under 30 years of age, and with the exception of 3, come from clubs higher than us in the pyramid, for the most part higher tiers.

Yet some of you with the anti Brent agenda will not accept that he delivers decent quality players for Sheridan relative to our position. In fact you argue the players are average and crap.

McCormick, Hartley, McHugh, Nelson, Mellor, Cox, O'Connor and Reuben Reid are League One quality players in my opinion. It is only a mixture of Sheridan's failings as a manager, a bit of bad luck with injuries, and disputes over loan extensions that have stopped this side being where it deserves to be - which is around 3rd to 5th in my opinion.

Hopefully there is time enough yet to rebuild the momentum necessary to get our snouts in the playoffs.

There are none so blind as those who refuse to see.
And if we get into the play-offs I will eat my hat.

Sir Francis Drake wrote:

Iggy wrote:

Graiser wrote:

ejh wrote:

Punchdrunk wrote:

They are what they are,mediocre league 2 players with a mediocre league 2 manager, and what do you get ?
A mediocre league 2 side that sits between mid table and the play off's..no shit Sherlock.

And this team is head and shoulders above Kevin Hodges/ Macauleys Argyle ejh ?!  My arse is it.

zyph wrote:

This squad is adequate for Div 2......and when they are playing well have proved that they could get us out of this division.......life in Div 1 is a different kettle of fish, needing new players to strengthen the squad......we have to live post-administration and do it with minimum funds.....keeping to the repayment of that debt.....which the FL oversee.

Matt Parsons: Premier League
Jason Banton: Premier League
Anthony O'Connor: Championship
Reuben Reid: Championship/League One
Dominic Blizzard: Championship/League One
Peter Hartley: League One
Carl McHugh: League One
Lee Cox: League One
Marvin Morgan: League One
Kelvin Mellor: League One
Lewis Alessandra: League Two
Luke McCormick: League Two
Ollie Norburn: League Two/Conference
Ryan Brunt: Conference

The above is a list of the permanent signings Sheridan has made while at the club, followed by either the previous standard of football they were playing, or the tier of the club we signed the player from.

Here is the same with Sheridan's loan deals.

Caolan Lavery: Championship
Andy Kellett: Championship
Olly Lee: Championship
Bobby Reid: League One
Paul Hayes: League One
Drew Talbot: League One
Tom Flanagan: League One


To say we have an average midtable League Two quality squad as another stick to beat Brent with is pure nonsense and totally ignores the facts. It is getting to the point where you must have to suspend reality to believe that James Brent is actively signing crap players to save money and keep Argyle shit forever?

EJH I think you present a logical debate, I doubt most others would see it that way as it doesn't match their agenda.
There's no doubt Sheridans has brought some good quality players to this club, a couple of failures as well, but hey even the best premier managers buy some duck eggs.
As to whether Sheridan brings out the best in them well that's open for discussion and come May if we don't get promotion he'll be gone anyway.

Using logic you could also ask the question why these players aren't playing in the CCC or League 1 now? The answer to that is that they arent deemed good enough by their parent clubs to play in that division. If we had bought those players from those divisions when they were playing every game and scoring goals we wouldn't be where we are now. The table speaks for itself, 1 win in 8 is it?

I can see both sides of the argument so maybe the data is good but the wrong hypothesis is being tested?

As an alternative why not consider what happened to them post-Argyle?

This chops the outcomes down significantly becase most of them are still here but:

Matt Parsons: I don't know but probably still injured
Marvin Morgan: Hartlepoole L2
Caolan Lavery: Chesterfield L1 (unsure about this)
Andy Kellett: Man Utd (that still sounds amazing, doesn't it!)
Paul Hayes: Wycombe L2

So 2 on the way up (Lavery and Kellett) and 2 stagnators (Morgan and Hayes). Matt Parsons is the tie-breaker here but whatever he's doing any conclusions are of dubious worth given no clear pattern.

Ultimately it is League position that counts and we're 8th: better than we have been and not as good as I feel it should be.

Wouldn't really regard Hayes as stagnating. His position as the main striker for the division's league leaders is somewhat better than Argyle's fortunes right now, which is 'fingers crossed for the playoffs'. Although I imagine that will be Brent's fault he didn't score in the 5 or 6 games he was here.

Angry wrote:

Graiser wrote:

ejh wrote:

Punchdrunk wrote:

They are what they are,mediocre league 2 players with a mediocre league 2 manager, and what do you get ?
A mediocre league 2 side that sits between mid table and the play off's..no shit Sherlock.

And this team is head and shoulders above Kevin Hodges/ Macauleys Argyle ejh ?!  My arse is it.

zyph wrote:

This squad is adequate for Div 2......and when they are playing well have proved that they could get us out of this division.......life in Div 1 is a different kettle of fish, needing new players to strengthen the squad......we have to live post-administration and do it with minimum funds.....keeping to the repayment of that debt.....which the FL oversee.

Matt Parsons: Premier League
Jason Banton: Premier League
Anthony O'Connor: Championship
Reuben Reid: Championship/League One
Dominic Blizzard: Championship/League One
Peter Hartley: League One
Carl McHugh: League One
Lee Cox: League One
Marvin Morgan: League One
Kelvin Mellor: League Onei
Lewis Alessandra: League Two
Luke McCormick: League Two
Ollie Norburn: League Two/Conference
Ryan Brunt: Conference

The above is a list of the permanent signings Sheridan has made while at the club, followed by either the previous standard of football they were playing, or the tier of the club we signed the player from.

Here is the same with Sheridan's loan deals.

Caolan Lavery: Championship
Andy Kellett: Championship
Olly Lee: Championship
Bobby Reid: League One
Paul Hayes: League One
Drew Talbot: League One
Tom Flanagan: League One


To say we have an average midtable League Two quality squad as another stick to beat Brent with is pure nonsense and totally ignores the facts. It is getting to the point where you must have to suspend reality to believe that James Brent is actively signing crap players to save money and keep Argyle shit forever?

EJH I think you present a logical debate, I doubt most others would see it that way as it doesn't match their agenda.
There's no doubt Sheridans has brought some good quality players to this club, a couple of failures as well, but hey even the best premier managers buy some duck eggs.
As to whether Sheridan brings out the best in them well that's open for discussion and come May if we don't get promotion he'll be gone anyway.

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got to get your little dig in havent you lol

As we all are, I'd call it an opinion, that's what a fans forum is about isn't it ?

Graiser wrote:

Angry wrote:

Graiser wrote:

ejh wrote:

Punchdrunk wrote:

They are what they are,mediocre league 2 players with a mediocre league 2 manager, and what do you get ?
A mediocre league 2 side that sits between mid table and the play off's..no shit Sherlock.

And this team is head and shoulders above Kevin Hodges/ Macauleys Argyle ejh ?!  My arse is it.

zyph wrote:

This squad is adequate for Div 2......and when they are playing well have proved that they could get us out of this division.......life in Div 1 is a different kettle of fish, needing new players to strengthen the squad......we have to live post-administration and do it with minimum funds.....keeping to the repayment of that debt.....which the FL oversee.

Matt Parsons: Premier League
Jason Banton: Premier League
Anthony O'Connor: Championship
Reuben Reid: Championship/League One
Dominic Blizzard: Championship/League One
Peter Hartley: League One
Carl McHugh: League One
Lee Cox: League One
Marvin Morgan: League One
Kelvin Mellor: League Onei
Lewis Alessandra: League Two
Luke McCormick: League Two
Ollie Norburn: League Two/Conference
Ryan Brunt: Conference

The above is a list of the permanent signings Sheridan has made while at the club, followed by either the previous standard of football they were playing, or the tier of the club we signed the player from.

Here is the same with Sheridan's loan deals.

Caolan Lavery: Championship
Andy Kellett: Championship
Olly Lee: Championship
Bobby Reid: League One
Paul Hayes: League One
Drew Talbot: League One
Tom Flanagan: League One


To say we have an average midtable League Two quality squad as another stick to beat Brent with is pure nonsense and totally ignores the facts. It is getting to the point where you must have to suspend reality to believe that James Brent is actively signing crap players to save money and keep Argyle shit forever?

EJH I think you present a logical debate, I doubt most others would see it that way as it doesn't match their agenda.
There's no doubt Sheridans has brought some good quality players to this club, a couple of failures as well, but hey even the best premier managers buy some duck eggs.
As to whether Sheridan brings out the best in them well that's open for discussion and come May if we don't get promotion he'll be gone anyway.

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got to get your little dig in havent you lol

As we all are, I'd call it an opinion, that's what a fans forum is about isn't it ?

who said anything about your opinion, im commentating on your inability to post without a dig at this place first.