Time For a Boycott?

Brent out

GreenSam wrote:

Greenskin wrote:

GreenSam wrote:

Ejh,

You make one point there which I totally agree with and it's too often used as an excuse for Sheridan...he had plenty of time to act after Hourihane was sold. Spot on.

Wycombe last month sold two of their regulars in their side that's had them do so well this season. One to Milwall and one to Barnsley. However they've adapted, they got a good win yesterday and are second in the league and on the heels of Burton.

Yet Hourihane being sold seven weeks before the start of the season was apparently such an unsettlement that we couldn't hope to regroup or recover from? Nah, not buying it. It was still daft to sell him though imho, but nowhere near as unsurmountable as it's often given credit for. And that's coming from me who was and remains a MASSIVE Hourihane fan.

Goal scoring midfielders grow on trees do they?

Does Josh Scowen grow on trees? Does Paris Cowan-Hall grow on trees? Wycombe have lost both of those two and are still winning.

What sometimes goes understated on this site is that it's a properly shit league. You need nous to get out of it. The team with the smallest budget in the league could probably get out of it if they had the right nous.

That's true in a way that it isn't true for the two divisions above it.

Josh Scowen scored 3 goals in 80 games for Wycombe, so it doesn't look like he fits the bill as far as midfield marksmen is concerned, although PCH does get a few. Don't know much about Wycombe to be fair-did they retain any people in their engine room who could contribute as far as goals are concerned? Presumably this nous that you speak of, and which people on this site apparently can't grasp, was possessed by Sheridan when he won the division at Chesterfield? And to be fair to most of the posters on here, they were around when Argyle got promoted from this league in 1996 and 2002,so maybe their knowledge of what is needed to get out of this league is not so negligible after all. During those seasons no doubt there was plenty of nous around at the time but there were also people in both teams other than the strikers who could contribute on a fairly consistent basis-Mauge, Billy, Logan, Barlow in the former, Friio, Wotton, Coughlan, Bent, Hodges etc in the latter. Managerial nous to bring them to the club? Sure, but there were also very reasonable budgets [bankrolled by the sale of players from the ashes of Shilton's team in Warnock's team and Nick Warren's bank balance for Sturrock] and scouting systems in place as well-it may be a pertinent question to ask at the next AFT tete a tete with Mr Starnes as to what constitutes the Argyle scouting system ATM-is it Sheridan's brother or are other agencies involved?

Greenskin wrote:

GreenSam wrote:

Greenskin wrote:

GreenSam wrote:

Ejh,

You make one point there which I totally agree with and it's too often used as an excuse for Sheridan...he had plenty of time to act after Hourihane was sold. Spot on.

Wycombe last month sold two of their regulars in their side that's had them do so well this season. One to Milwall and one to Barnsley. However they've adapted, they got a good win yesterday and are second in the league and on the heels of Burton.

Yet Hourihane being sold seven weeks before the start of the season was apparently such an unsettlement that we couldn't hope to regroup or recover from? Nah, not buying it. It was still daft to sell him though imho, but nowhere near as unsurmountable as it's often given credit for. And that's coming from me who was and remains a MASSIVE Hourihane fan.

Goal scoring midfielders grow on trees do they?

Does Josh Scowen grow on trees? Does Paris Cowan-Hall grow on trees? Wycombe have lost both of those two and are still winning.

What sometimes goes understated on this site is that it's a properly shit league. You need nous to get out of it. The team with the smallest budget in the league could probably get out of it if they had the right nous.

That's true in a way that it isn't true for the two divisions above it.

Josh Scowen scored 3 goals in 80 games for Wycombe, so it doesn't look like he fits the bill as far as midfield marksmen is concerned, although PCH does get a few. Don't know much about Wycombe to be fair-did they retain any people in their engine room who could contribute as far as goals are concerned? Presumably this nous that you speak of, and which people on this site apparently can't grasp, was possessed by Sheridan when he won the division at Chesterfield? And to be fair to most of the posters on here, they were around when Argyle got promoted from this league in 1996 and 2002,so maybe their knowledge of what is needed to get out of this league is not so negligible after all. During those seasons no doubt there was plenty of nous around at the time but there were also people in both teams other than the strikers who could contribute on a fairly consistent basis-Mauge, Billy, Logan, Barlow in the former, Friio, Wotton, Coughlan, Bent, Hodges etc in the latter. Managerial nous to bring them to the club? Sure, but there were also very reasonable budgets [bankrolled by the sale of players from the ashes of Shilton's team in Warnock's team and Nick Warren's bank balance for Sturrock] and scouting systems in place as well-it may be a pertinent question to ask at the next AFT tete a tete with Mr Starnes as to what constitutes the Argyle scouting system ATM-is it Sheridan's brother or are other agencies involved?

That's a much more valid comparison IMO to compare the team that we won promotion with the last time rather that the shite of Macauley or Brent? When you look at the Luggy team and compare to now the gulf in quality is obvious, we don't have other than the odd goal in anybody other than Reid and to a lesser extent Lewi.
As for having TIME to react to Hourihanes sale? FFS Sam imagine being in Shezes shoes for a minute.
"Right Conor is off to Grimsby or somewhere, not sure where but the important thing is you will have £80k to replace him, good luck."
As the door closes Shez opens the drawer to his desk and pulls out a half bottle of Johnny Walker, he leaves the pistol where it is, he may need it later...

Sheridan's teams have bored me rigid these last couple of years. It's revealing that Hourihane has taken 27 games to score 11 goals at Barnsley With us it took him over 100 matches.
Says it all really.

When was that game they gave out free tickets ? 2008 ? That was last time, I went not planning on going till Brent leaves,

sufferedsince 68 wrote:

If you dont have a season ticket just stay away! the only way to force change at Homepark is to hit Brent were it hurts most, in his pocket! This shit will just go on and on every season while the Clowns run Homepark.

What exactly will a boycott achieve, Hull, Newcastle have been doing it for years. Cardiff tried it with the shirt change.

Have you got people lined up to takeover the club that are prepared to pump in millions of their own money to follow your pipedream?.

Time people woke up. Clubs in the lower leagues unless they have a rich benefactor realy on three things to get them promoted.

1. A lot of luck.
2. Very good manager who gets the team overperforming
3. A very good scouting and coaching set up.

Its ok forcing Brent out but the club has to have an owner, any takers?

Don't come with the supporters will own the club, that's a tried and proved to be failing idea. Look at Exeter without a big fee for a player, they were close to administration. Pompey have some rich fans with shares but they are worse off than Argyle both on and off the pitch.

Plymouth Argyle is where it belongs in the current climax of things, No money, average attendances, the glory hunters not yet coming out, and still struggling to break even due to historical debts.

Boycott all you want but, well 15-20 of you on this site, but nothing will be achieved because there is no one out there that wants a football club in the lower divisions, especially one with no assits.

Rollo Tomasi wrote:

Sheridan's teams have bored me rigid these last couple of years. It's revealing that Hourihane has taken 27 games to score 11 goals at Barnsley With us it took him over 100 matches.
Says it all really.

Its doesn't does it!. Hourihane developed as a player at Argyle, how many goals did he score last season?, that showed a season on season improvement. And it also depends on the role the player plays in Midfeild. When Hourihane signed he was a youngster with little playing experience playing for 2 years in a side battling relagation. His last season with Argyle when playing in a better team at one stage challenging for the playoffs he got more goals. So your point is pointless.

125+1 wrote:

sufferedsince 68 wrote:

If you dont have a season ticket just stay away! the only way to force change at Homepark is to hit Brent were it hurts most, in his pocket! This shit will just go on and on every season while the Clowns run Homepark.

What exactly will a boycott achieve, Hull, Newcastle have been doing it for years. Cardiff tried it with the shirt change.

Have you got people lined up to takeover the club that are prepared to pump in millions of their own money to follow your pipedream?.

Time people woke up.  Clubs in the lower leagues unless they have a rich benefactor realy on three things to get them promoted.

1. A lot of luck.
2. Very good manager who gets the team overperforming
3. A very good scouting and coaching set up.

Its ok forcing Brent out but the club has to have an owner, any takers?

Don't come with the supporters will own the club, that's a tried and proved to be failing idea.  Look at Exeter without a big fee for a player, they were close to administration. Pompey have some rich fans with shares but they are worse off than Argyle both on and off the pitch.

Plymouth Argyle is where it belongs in the current climax of things, No money, average attendances, the glory hunters not yet coming out, and still struggling to break even due to historical debts.

Boycott all you want but, well 15-20 of you on this site, but nothing will be achieved because there is no one out there that wants a football club in the lower divisions, especially one with no assits.

Without wishing to be rude, you must be very very thick or no nothing about football to claim that plymouth argyle have average support in the fourth divison or even the third division, the fans of this club have put up with crap for years. yet you Brent nosers want the fans to shut up and just be grateful? the potential is there just needs a far far better owner with money of course, but also ambition there are alternative owners for a club like argyle there always will be! by the way this site is the only democratic site for argyle fans, poke that up your assits!

125+1 wrote:

Rollo Tomasi wrote:

Sheridan's teams have bored me rigid these last couple of years. It's revealing that Hourihane has taken 27 games to score 11 goals at Barnsley With us it took him over 100 matches.
Says it all really.

Its doesn't does it!. Hourihane developed as a player at Argyle, how many goals did he score last season?, that showed a season on season improvement. And it also depends on the role the player plays in Midfeild.  When Hourihane signed he was a youngster with little playing experience playing for 2 years in a side battling relagation. His last season with Argyle when playing in a better team at one stage challenging for the playoffs he got more goals. So your point is pointless.

You've supplied your own answer by saying about the role he played in midfield. Sheridan had him shackled to the back four. A player of his ability should have been further forward but he wasn't allowed to be. Sheridan's negative approach is ridiculous for league two level.

Boycott? No thanks. I'f I'd boycotted Argyle every time they had crap board, invisible Chairman and lack of leadership, I'd never have been.

Unless you are an Aviva or simply fatally addicted, the bucket rattling support for the asset stripper and his chosen jamboys is about as village as you can get.

The reluctant one panders to those who want to be someone at a football club and in return, they are ever present and deflect any criticism ,any which way they can.
It's all so nauseatingly low grade.

Rollo Tomasi wrote:

125+1 wrote:

Rollo Tomasi wrote:

Sheridan's teams have bored me rigid these last couple of years. It's revealing that Hourihane has taken 27 games to score 11 goals at Barnsley With us it took him over 100 matches.
Says it all really.

Its doesn't does it!. Hourihane developed as a player at Argyle, how many goals did he score last season?, that showed a season on season improvement. And it also depends on the role the player plays in Midfeild.  When Hourihane signed he was a youngster with little playing experience playing for 2 years in a side battling relagation. His last season with Argyle when playing in a better team at one stage challenging for the playoffs he got more goals. So your point is pointless.

You've supplied your own answer by saying about the role he played in midfield. Sheridan had him shackled to the back four. A player of his ability should have been further forward but he wasn't allowed to be. Sheridan's negative approach is ridiculous for league two level.

What are you on about? Hourihane's goalscoring record improved significantly after Sheridan took over, end of story. Check it out on GOS if you don't believe it.

Hourihane played as a holding midfielder. So to bitch about goals is facile.

Rollo Tomasi wrote:

Sheridan's teams have bored me rigid these last couple of years. It's revealing that Hourihane has taken 27 games to score 11 goals at Barnsley With us it took him over 100 matches.
Says it all really.

Hourihane takes penalties and free kicks at Barnsley. He wasn't the designated taker at Argyle. So don't get overly excited with those stats, although he has been having a great season.

We have missed Hourihane's long distance threat immensely. We really could have used his free kick abilities too. Sheridan losing Hourihane's distance shooting and Young's free kicks without coming close to replacing those dimensions has been what has cost us.

Cox, O'Connor and Bobby Reid have great credentials as players, but two of them don't attack, none of them can strike a ball, none of them can take a dangerous free kick and none of them can head a cross in. None of them are known for bursting through the opposition back line and finishing a chance, like a certain Frenchman used to.

Greenskin, I am not expecting Sheridan to unearth the reincarnation of Friio, but is it really beyond his ability to scout a potential midfielder and see if they can shoot, head, score a free kick or finish a chance before he gets them in?

Or as is suggested in the above posts, regarding how Hourihane has evolved at Barnsley in a more advanced position, is it Sheridan's restrictive and basic tactics that are holding our midfielders back from getting the goals and assists they are capable of?

Whilst he has signed good quality players, add Blizzard and Norburn and that is five centre midfielders we have that pose next to no goal threat at all.

We will have to wait an see on Olly Lee, but bearing in mind he struggles to pass a ball, I doubt he will score much more than one or two more in the last 17 games.

ejh wrote:

Rollo Tomasi wrote:

Sheridan's teams have bored me rigid these last couple of years. It's revealing that Hourihane has taken 27 games to score 11 goals at Barnsley With us it took him over 100 matches.
Says it all really.

Hourihane takes penalties and free kicks at Barnsley. He wasn't the designated taker at Argyle. So don't get overly excited with those stats, although he has been having a great season.

We have missed Hourihane's long distance threat immensely. We really could have used his free kick abilities too. Sheridan losing Hourihane's distance shooting and Young's free kicks without coming close to replacing those dimensions has been what has cost us.

Cox, O'Connor and Bobby Reid have great credentials as players, but two of them don't attack, none of them can strike a ball, none of them can take a dangerous free kick and none of them can head a cross in. None of them are known for bursting through the opposition back line and finishing a chance, like a certain Frenchman used to.

Greenskin, I am not expecting Sheridan to unearth the reincarnation of Friio, but is it really beyond his ability to scout a potential midfielder and see if they can shoot, head, score a free kick or finish a chance before he gets them in?

Or as is suggested in the above posts, regarding how Hourihane has evolved at Barnsley in a more advanced position, is it Sheridan's restrictive and basic tactics that are holding our midfielders back from getting the goals and assists they are capable of?

Whilst he has signed good quality players, add Blizzard and Norburn and that is five centre midfielders we have that pose next to no goal threat at all.

We will have to wait an see on Olly Lee, but bearing in mind he struggles to pass a ball, I doubt he will score much more than one or two more in the last 17 games.

He like Flanagan(sic) will be gone as soon as their deals are up.

ejh wrote:

Rollo Tomasi wrote:

Sheridan's teams have bored me rigid these last couple of years. It's revealing that Hourihane has taken 27 games to score 11 goals at Barnsley With us it took him over 100 matches.
Says it all really.

Hourihane takes penalties and free kicks at Barnsley. He wasn't the designated taker at Argyle. So don't get overly excited with those stats, although he has been having a great season.

We have missed Hourihane's long distance threat immensely. We really could have used his free kick abilities too. Sheridan losing Hourihane's distance shooting and Young's free kicks without coming close to replacing those dimensions has been what has cost us.

Cox, O'Connor and Bobby Reid have great credentials as players, but two of them don't attack, none of them can strike a ball, none of them can take a dangerous free kick and none of them can head a cross in. None of them are known for bursting through the opposition back line and finishing a chance, like a certain Frenchman used to.

Greenskin, I am not expecting Sheridan to unearth the reincarnation of Friio, but is it really beyond his ability to scout a potential midfielder and see if they can shoot, head, score a free kick or finish a chance before he gets them in?

Or as is suggested in the above posts, regarding how Hourihane has evolved at Barnsley in a more advanced position, is it Sheridan's restrictive and basic tactics that are holding our midfielders back from getting the goals and assists they are capable of?

Whilst he has signed good quality players, add Blizzard and Norburn and that is five centre midfielders we have that pose next to no goal threat at all.

We will have to wait an see on Olly Lee, but bearing in mind he struggles to pass a ball, I doubt he will score much more than one or two more in the last 17 games.

He certainly didn't seem to have much trouble when he built reasonably high scoring teams at Oldham and Chesterfield. Makes you wonder why the bloke has suddenly become so defensive and negative, or allegedly so anyway. Given his record as a very high quality midfield player who could score a goal or two himself, then I just don't believe that he doesn't recognise the weakness in the midfield department and it gives food for thought as to why the team has been built on keeping clean sheets this season, although to say that the fare has been uniformly dull is a ridiculous over simplification-there have been good displays this season and in fact I wouldn't say that overall this season has been any less watchable than when Sturrock won this league by virtue of a series of 1-0 wins in 2002.

Not sure about a boycott but there's certainly been some season ticket holders missing in my area lately. More likely to be staying away because of the cold, illness or other pressing matters. I know some people are not going out of their way to rearrange other business to attend Argyle as much as they usually would.

Richard Blight wrote:

Not sure about a boycott but there's certainly been some season ticket holders missing in my area lately. More likely to be staying away because of the cold, illness or other pressing matters. I know some people are not going out of their way to rearrange other business to attend Argyle as much as they usually would.

With the ever increasing age of the fanbase I wouldn't be surprised if hundreds of them are dieing off during the course of a season, it's a risky strategy buying a season ticket if you're over 70 imo, you'll only save if you avoid the grave!

Les Miserable wrote:

Richard Blight wrote:

Not sure about a boycott but there's certainly been some season ticket holders missing in my area lately. More likely to be staying away because of the cold, illness or other pressing matters. I know some people are not going out of their way to rearrange other business to attend Argyle as much as they usually would.

With the ever increasing age of the fanbase I wouldn't be surprised if hundreds of them are dieing off during the course of a season, it's a risky strategy buying a season ticket if you're over 70 imo, you'll only save if you avoid the grave!

You going to take yours with you?

Iggy wrote:

Les Miserable wrote:

Richard Blight wrote:

Not sure about a boycott but there's certainly been some season ticket holders missing in my area lately. More likely to be staying away because of the cold, illness or other pressing matters. I know some people are not going out of their way to rearrange other business to attend Argyle as much as they usually would.

With the ever increasing age of the fanbase I wouldn't be surprised if hundreds of them are dieing off during the course of a season, it's a risky strategy buying a season ticket if you're over 70 imo, you'll only save if you avoid the grave!

You going to take yours with you?

Bleddy hell have I been cheating on the grim reaper for the last six years.........is it being cheerful that keeps you going Les.....you'll probably be hearing from Pepsipete in a short while..........it might surprise you that you can be well over 70yrs old and be fit and active without a days illness.......maybe I should order my zimmer frame soon before the rush.......or end it all now.....

zyph wrote:

Iggy wrote:

Les Miserable wrote:

Richard Blight wrote:

Not sure about a boycott but there's certainly been some season ticket holders missing in my area lately. More likely to be staying away because of the cold, illness or other pressing matters. I know some people are not going out of their way to rearrange other business to attend Argyle as much as they usually would.

With the ever increasing age of the fanbase I wouldn't be surprised if hundreds of them are dieing off during the course of a season, it's a risky strategy buying a season ticket if you're over 70 imo, you'll only save if you avoid the grave!

You going to take yours with you?

Bleddy hell have I been cheating on the grim reaper for the last six years.........is it being cheerful that keeps you going Les.....you'll probably be hearing from Pepsipete in a short while..........it might surprise you that you can be well over 70yrs old and be fit and active without a days illness.......maybe I should order my zimmer frame soon before the rush.......or end it all now.....

But would you be prepared to buy a ST in the knowledge that every breath could be your last?

Straight answer = Yes or N...............................

That is my position, would love to buy a season ticket, but cannot access the ground. Can only walk ten paces and thats on a good day.

Serious question Pepsi. If the FPC was still open and you could park in HHP or have someone drop you as close as possible. Would you go then? Or is the stairs into the stand too much? Could you use the disabled stand?

I mention the FPC because that is where many older fans went to stay warm until as close to kick off as possible.

sufferedsince 68 wrote:

125+1 wrote:

sufferedsince 68 wrote:

If you dont have a season ticket just stay away! the only way to force change at Homepark is to hit Brent were it hurts most, in his pocket! This shit will just go on and on every season while the Clowns run Homepark.

What exactly will a boycott achieve, Hull, Newcastle have been doing it for years. Cardiff tried it with the shirt change.

Have you got people lined up to takeover the club that are prepared to pump in millions of their own money to follow your pipedream?.

Time people woke up.  Clubs in the lower leagues unless they have a rich benefactor realy on three things to get them promoted.

1. A lot of luck.
2. Very good manager who gets the team overperforming
3. A very good scouting and coaching set up.

Its ok forcing Brent out but the club has to have an owner, any takers?

Don't come with the supporters will own the club, that's a tried and proved to be failing idea.  Look at Exeter without a big fee for a player, they were close to administration. Pompey have some rich fans with shares but they are worse off than Argyle both on and off the pitch.

Plymouth Argyle is where it belongs in the current climax of things, No money, average attendances, the glory hunters not yet coming out, and still struggling to break even due to historical debts.

Boycott all you want but, well 15-20 of you on this site, but nothing will be achieved because there is no one out there that wants a football club in the lower divisions, especially one with no assits.

Without wishing to be rude, you must be very very thick or no nothing about football to claim that plymouth argyle have average support in the fourth divison or even the third division, the fans of this club have put up with crap for years. yet you Brent nosers want the fans to shut up and just be grateful? the potential is there just needs a far far better owner with money of course, but also ambition there are alternative owners for a club like argyle there always will be! by the way this site is the only democratic site for argyle fans, poke that up your assits!

I suggest you read it again, I said average attendances for Argyle, which going by history Argyle average 5500-6500 until glory hunters come out of hiding. Where are the people queing up to purchase this club with potential. And alternative owners for a club like Argyle, you mean a club with historical debt, no stadium, no land, no training ground, no players of value that will bring in big fee's, yeah people must be running to snatch this off Brent's hands. Its not just knowing about football, its about knowing about business which football is. And this doesn't look like an investment many or any would be interested in taking unless as we have found out with Brent there is property investment attached to it.

Think you need to wake up buddy.

Democratic lol.