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PostSubject: Labour Party Meltdown...   Sun Jun 26, 2016 8:08 am

Benn sacked from shadow cabinet, civil war ensues... Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Labour Party Meltdown...   Sun Jun 26, 2016 8:20 am

As a Corbyn supporter I do blame him in part for the result of the referendum. For someone who believes in a more positive fairer society his leadership has been low-key and quite dour. Disappointed that this direction of the party will be deemed a failure when in truth Corbyn and his team have failed to capitalise on the momentum of his election.
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PostSubject: Re: Labour Party Meltdown...   Sun Jun 26, 2016 8:29 am

Corbyn and Evan's make's a good pair.
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PostSubject: Re: Labour Party Meltdown...   Sun Jun 26, 2016 9:50 am

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As a Corbyn supporter I do blame him in part for the result of the referendum. For someone who believes in a more positive fairer society his leadership has been low-key and quite dour. Disappointed that this direction of the party will be deemed a failure when in truth Corbyn and his team have failed to capitalise on the momentum of his election.

Underneath it all, Corbyn is about as much of an EU supporter as Tring is a mate of Ian Newell. His roots are in the extreme left of the Labour party in the same mould as Tony Benn and Dennis Skinner, two of the biggest opponents of the said organisation;

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There was never any chance of him mouthing Blairite pro EU soundbites and it would have been naïve to believe that he would do so,utterly ridiculous to blame him for the result-people should have known what they were really getting when they voted him in. I would strongly suspect that many of hard left inclination also voted leave in spite of any public utterances to the contrary-it certainly isn't a case of Tories vote leave, Labour vote remain, far more complex than that in spite of any rather simplistic wishful thinking.
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PostSubject: Re: Labour Party Meltdown...   Sun Jun 26, 2016 9:51 am

If labour ever want to be in power again the clueless Corbs will have to go.
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PostSubject: Re: Labour Party Meltdown...   Sun Jun 26, 2016 10:01 am

If the Labour party had listened & acted upon the concerns of their core vote north of the Watford gap maybe they would perhaps have positioned themselves very differently in the run up to the referendum & be in a much stronger position now.
They have long relied on the vote of loyal working class core Labour supporters while only representing the so-called Islington elite & their ilk, two groups in society that couldn't really be more different.
Time to completely forgot the Blairite era once & for all & go back to their roots.
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PostSubject: Re: Labour Party Meltdown...   Sun Jun 26, 2016 11:24 am

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If the Labour party had listened & acted upon the concerns of their core vote north of the Watford gap maybe they would perhaps have positioned themselves very differently in the run up to the referendum & be in a much stronger position now.
They have long relied on the vote of loyal working class core Labour supporters while only representing the so-called Islington elite & their ilk, two groups in society that couldn't really be more different.
Time to completely forgot the Blairite era once & for all & go back to their roots.

Hear hear Lord M, Ive been saying it for ages but I'll carry on saying it until everybody wakes up. Politics is divorced from reality in this country with everybody ignoring the bottom 20% of society, guess what they do matter and the Labour party especially should be representing them not telling them what to do or how to vote. I like Corbyn but would tell him to feck off if he told me how to vote. If anything this probably reinforces my belief that it's the rest of the labour party trying to be Tories just to get a taste of power that's the problem not the only principled member being principled.
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PostSubject: Re: Labour Party Meltdown...   Sun Jun 26, 2016 11:26 am

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Benn sacked from shadow cabinet, civil war ensues... Smile

Good. As leader of the opposition he is a shambles.

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PostSubject: Re: Labour Party Meltdown...   Sun Jun 26, 2016 12:25 pm

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Les Miserable wrote:
Benn sacked from shadow cabinet, civil war ensues... Smile

Good. As leader of the opposition he is a shambles.


True, in fact this is probably bad news for the Tories(who are also deeply fragmented) as whoever eventually replaces Corbyn will shorely provide stiffer opposition.
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PostSubject: Re: Labour Party Meltdown...   Sun Jun 26, 2016 1:15 pm

Les Miserable wrote:
Benn sacked from shadow cabinet, civil war ensues... Smile


Shadow Health Secretary Heidi Alexander was the first to hand in her resignation letter to party leader Jeremy Corbyn, followed by Shadow Minister for Women and Equalities Gloria Del Piero, Shadow Scottish Secretary Ian Murray and Shadow Transport Secretary Lilian Greenwood. Murray is the last remaining Labour MP in Scotland.
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PostSubject: Re: Labour Party Meltdown...   Sun Jun 26, 2016 1:20 pm

Whilst we are extricating ourselves from Europe a much needed reform of British politics can commence.
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PostSubject: Re: Labour Party Meltdown...   Sun Jun 26, 2016 3:05 pm

Current state of play on Labour shadow cabinet meltdown: 8 gone = 1 sacked, 7 resignations


More have gone. Lucy Powell, Kerry McCarthy and Seema Malhotra

There will be more shadow cabinet resignations, then junior ministers, then PPSs, this is the natural order to the resignations
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PostSubject: Re: Labour Party Meltdown...   Sun Jun 26, 2016 4:04 pm

I quite like Corbyn, I agree with a lot of what he says. But he is not, and never will be a leader. The Labour party will never win a General Election with him in charge.

There is a vacuum in politics at the moment. There is nobody in any party of any standing, and no-one who I would trust.
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PostSubject: Re: Labour Party Meltdown...   Sun Jun 26, 2016 4:07 pm

Not a vacuum, a chasm! Its bordering on a constitutional crisis. Cameron and his ",toys out of pram resignation" did not help, Osbourne has been silent when he should be reassuring the markets but then again he has no "plan b" does he...
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PostSubject: Re: Labour Party Meltdown...   Sun Jun 26, 2016 4:08 pm

Personally the queen needs to possibly step in and bang some heads together. Form a cross party government to get through the next few weeks and then call an election.
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PostSubject: Re: Labour Party Meltdown...   Sun Jun 26, 2016 4:23 pm

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Not a vacuum, a chasm! Its bordering on a constitutional crisis. Cameron and his ",toys out of pram resignation" did not help, Osbourne has been silent when he should be reassuring the markets but then again he has no "plan b" does he...

How can Cameron take us out of Europe after getting it so wrong, have a word with yourself. Osbourne is quiet as a mouse but don't worry none of us will forget his role in all this and if he thinks he's going to be the next PM he is deluded.
Cameron and Osbourne had a cunning plan, scare people into voting remain so that they could build a federal superstate to aid their buddies and sponsors in big business and they didn't reckon on the common man being totally in contempt of them and the modern version of politics they represent. As Paxman said this is the biggest feck up by a British PM since Eden and the Suez crisis, Osbourne was his right hand man and he will have to go.
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PostSubject: Re: Labour Party Meltdown...   Sun Jun 26, 2016 5:34 pm

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Personally the queen needs to possibly step in and bang some heads together. Form a cross party government to get through the next few weeks and then call an election.


.....or better still let Philip get his joke book out and bore them all to death.
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PostSubject: Re: Labour Party Meltdown...   Sun Jun 26, 2016 6:55 pm

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Personally the queen needs to possibly step in and bang some heads together. Form a cross party government to get through the next few weeks and then call an election.

Tories won't have a leader until Oct

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PostSubject: Re: Labour Party Meltdown...   Tue Jun 28, 2016 12:18 am

More than 40 gone now, what a shambles. I'm no Corbyn fan but shorely those MPs who were given cabinet posts by him should show a modicum of loyalty, back stabbing shysters these politicians, how can we be expected to trust any of them?
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PostSubject: Re: Labour Party Meltdown...   Tue Jun 28, 2016 12:36 am

So, if we can't trust politicians, just who should try to direct the country ? businessmen like Jimmy Brent ? maybe the England football team ? Or are members of the public to be picked from random ?
Is the English royal family to do the job ?

I believe much of life, and business too, has become self serving and corrupt. It's a problem of culture where ethics have disappeared by and large, and the losers are expected to suffer in silence.
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PostSubject: Re: Labour Party Meltdown...   Tue Jun 28, 2016 4:26 am

Politicians appear to have lost touch with what thr public wants.
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PostSubject: Re: Labour Party Meltdown...   Tue Jun 28, 2016 4:10 pm

Flat pack democracy is a start but can only see it working so far up the ladder. Labour have a bit of a conundrum, do they back the leader given a clear mandate by the members of the party ie. the man on the street or do the MPs show how out of touch they are with them and continue with the coup? It's mental, politics has become more about winning power than serving the electorate, revolution coming if they don't wake up and that is not only aimed at Labour.
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PostSubject: Re: Labour Party Meltdown...   Tue Jun 28, 2016 4:44 pm

172 V 40 in huge vote of no confidence in JC. Gotta go now, shirly!!
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PostSubject: Re: Labour Party Meltdown...   Tue Jun 28, 2016 6:27 pm

But does he have God on his side ?
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PostSubject: Re: Labour Party Meltdown...   Tue Jun 28, 2016 10:30 pm

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172 V 40 in huge vote of no confidence in JC. Gotta go now, shirly!!

But shorely begs the question about who the parties are running the country for? Is it the people or the party? If this was the Tories we all know the answer and wouldn't bother discussing it any further, but Labour? Politics is fecked and when the Molotov cocktails start then don't blame the people blame the parties, divorced from reality or what?
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