HHP is dead. (soon to be official) - But that is not all...

Hitch wrote:

At the end of the day Brent still has a pure banker's mentality. He won't spend anything on any project unless it is with other people's money. Whether that is loans to his own companies from gullible banks/investors or money from Wrathall or PCC or bucket-rattlers. He's been sussed, even by the regularly gullible. The perfect storm IS brewing.

In the context that Brent in his guise as propert developer has built jack shit (so far) in any of the projects he has been identified with.

akagreengull wrote:

Hitch wrote:

At the end of the day Brent still has a pure banker's mentality. He won't spend anything on any project unless it is with other people's money. Whether that is loans to his own companies from gullible banks/investors or money from Wrathall or PCC or bucket-rattlers. He's been sussed, even by the regularly gullible. The perfect storm IS brewing.

In the context that Brent in his guise as propert developer has built jack shit (so far) in any of the projects he has been identified with.

Brent The Builder.... can he build it? can he fvck!

Brents plan B is to turn HHP into a students ghetto, rumours sweeping Central Park tonight is Brent plans to summit a new plan for HHP what is left of plan A will be surrounded by students accommodation.

Tgwu wrote:

Brents plan B is to turn HHP into a students ghetto, rumours sweeping Central Park tonight is Brent plans to summit a new plan for HHP what is left of plan A will be surrounded by students accommodation.

You've no worries there bhey, Jimmy's got a hundred percent record when it comes to developing!

sufferedsince 68 wrote:

Tgwu wrote:

Brents plan B is to turn HHP into a students ghetto, rumours sweeping Central Park tonight is Brent plans to summit a new plan for HHP what is left of plan A will be surrounded by students accommodation.

You've no worries there bhey, Jimmy's got a hundred percent record when it comes to developing!

Chairman and owner of Argyle, Chairman of the University, Owner of HHP.

Tgwu wrote:

sufferedsince 68 wrote:

Tgwu wrote:

Brents plan B is to turn HHP into a students ghetto, rumours sweeping Central Park tonight is Brent plans to summit a new plan for HHP what is left of plan A will be surrounded by students accommodation.

You've no worries there bhey, Jimmy's got a hundred percent record when it comes to developing!

Chairman and owner of Argyle, Chairman of the University, Owner of HHP.

It wont Happen Tgwu, you've got more chance of seeing Elvis in central park than a Brent development.

Tgwu wrote:

Brents plan B is to turn HHP into a students ghetto, rumours sweeping Central Park tonight is Brent plans to summit a new plan for HHP what is left of plan A will be surrounded by students accommodation.

How many more students accommodations does plymouth need ffs. That would explain why the reluctant one has tied the club with the university then.

sufferedsince 68 wrote:

Tgwu wrote:

sufferedsince 68 wrote:

Tgwu wrote:

Brents plan B is to turn HHP into a students ghetto, rumours sweeping Central Park tonight is Brent plans to summit a new plan for HHP what is left of plan A will be surrounded by students accommodation.

You've no worries there bhey, Jimmy's got a hundred percent record when it comes to developing!

Chairman and owner of Argyle, Chairman of the University, Owner of HHP.

It wont Happen Tgwu, you've got more chance of seeing Elvis in central park than a Brent development.

This time he has million's of university money to play with

Graham is far better qualified to comment on this but as far as I recall when the Council repurchased the freehold it amended the restrictive covenants on HHP to fall into line with the Central Park Area Action Plan. I do not believe that student accommodation falls in line with that Plan - specifically:

8 central park area action plan
chapter 2
The Plymouth Sustainable Community
2.12 Strategy (2007-2020), April 2007, sets out four
visionary goals for the city. These are:

1. A healthy place to live and work;

2. A wealthy city which creates and shares prosperity;

3. A safe and strong city;

4. A wise city – a location for learning achievement and leisure.

2.13 These goals have influenced the drafting
of this plan and it is consistent with its aims. The
goals of the Sustainable Community Strategy have
been embodied into the Council’s Corporate Plan
2007-2010. For Central Park the three most relevant
objectives are set out below:

Strategic Objective 1, Improving Health and Well-
Being: “To improve the health, well-being and
social care of the people, reduce inequalities and
help people at all stages in their life to enjoy the
best possible health.”
Strategic Objective 7, Maintaining a Clean and
Sustainable Environment: “To create a more
attractive environment that is safe, clean and tidy,
as well as a more healthy and diverse natural
environment.”
Strategic Objective 8, Stimulating Culture and
Leisure Activities: “To stimulate participation
in cultural pursuits, promoting creativity and
extending opportunities for people to experience
high quality recreational and leisure activities.

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Damon.Lenszner wrote:

Graham is far better qualified to comment on this but as far as I recall when the Council repurchased the freehold it amended the restrictive covenants on HHP to fall into line with the Central Park Area Action Plan. I do not believe that student accommodation falls in line with that Plan - specifically:

8        central park area action plan
chapter 2
The Plymouth Sustainable Community
2.12 Strategy (2007-2020), April 2007, sets out four
visionary goals for the city. These are:

1. A healthy place to live and work;

2. A wealthy city which creates and shares prosperity;

3. A safe and strong city;

4. A wise city – a location for learning achievement and leisure.

2.13 These goals have influenced the drafting
of this plan and it is consistent with its aims. The
goals of the Sustainable Community Strategy have
been embodied into the Council’s Corporate Plan
2007-2010. For Central Park the three most relevant
objectives are set out below:

Strategic Objective 1, Improving Health and Well-
Being: “To improve the health, well-being and
social care of the people, reduce inequalities and
help people at all stages in their life to enjoy the
best possible health.”
Strategic Objective 7, Maintaining a Clean and
Sustainable Environment: “To create a more
attractive environment that is safe, clean and tidy,
as well as a more healthy and diverse natural
environment.”
Strategic Objective 8, Stimulating Culture and
Leisure Activities: “To stimulate participation
in cultural pursuits, promoting creativity and
extending opportunities for people to experience
high quality recreational and leisure activities.

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Master plan is changing all the time, FOCP had £17,000 to put a orchard in zoo field until Brent move in, no other place to put the orchard PCC waste it on 50 other trees (another cock up in that story, be mums the word on that one)

Would the council be stupid enough to grant him planning permission again as he hasnt built a dam thing anyhwere to my knowledge let along plymouth.

Wasn't the prime objective for HHP to put the ice rink in there to free up the Pavilion site for some wanky boulevard ?
Is the ice rink to be incorporated inside some student ghetto ?

FY 310 wrote:

Wasn't the prime objective for HHP to put the ice rink in there to free up the Pavilion site for some wanky boulevard ?
Is the ice rink to be incorporated inside some student ghetto ?

they have a student ghetto already its called north hill.

Brent is resisting using his brain and building an ice arena that could be multi purpose aswell as home a public ice rink too. that would bring in more money.

Brent already had a plan B so this must be plan C.

A few months ago he said this when questioned on HHP in a BBC interview:

Brent wrote:

"So what we are looking at is a Plan B, which is to do the grandstand first, which is the bit which is directly relevant to the football club and do the rest of the leisure development second.

"We are in the latter stages of negotiations with a partner institution to build it, 

 

How has that worked out?

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North Hill and surrounds has reached point where there is excess accommodation for number of students given number of new blocks gone up in the city centre.

With further planned for the Crescent JB has missed this boat.

If PCC removed covenants on HHP to suit themselves then an Area Action Plan will be no problem to amend!

mouldyoldgoat wrote:

If PCC removed covenants on HHP to suit themselves then an Area Action Plan will be no problem to amend!

A new action plan advisory committee was set up be have not meet in over a year. FOCP are urging the PCC to restart the meetings

If they are no longer in contact with PCC where are the rumours from? I call shenanigans on this one.

green_genie wrote:

North Hill and surrounds has reached point where there is excess accommodation for number of students given number of new blocks gone up in the city centre.

With further planned for the Crescent JB has missed this boat.

Its all PCC are building now days is student accommodations despite there being a shitload off them all over central plymouth and thats not including the thousands of private digs rented out to students solely.

It would be nice if they built some affordable flats for those wanting to get onto the property ladder.

green_genie wrote:

If they are no longer in contact with PCC where are the rumours from? I call shenanigans on this one.

We do have meeting with council officer's on other projects, ie cafe hub, lake, trees, and extending the alottments but not the overall master plans. We have our resources for news coming out from PCC.

No offence meant TGWU but can't see the demand is there to go to hastle of trying to get planning in a spot not likely to be favoured by students.

Friend has six houses around North Hill and has started letting them to working people (including a celebrity burger flipper) despite payment being less predictable as students have a lot of options driving rent down.

Angry wrote:

green_genie wrote:

North Hill and surrounds has reached point where there is excess accommodation for number of students given number of new blocks gone up in the city centre.

With further planned for the Crescent JB has missed this boat.

Its all PCC are building now days is student accommodations despite there being a shitload off them all over central plymouth and thats not including the thousands of private digs rented out to students solely.

It would be nice if they built some affordable flats for those wanting to get onto the property ladder.

Are you seriously advocating that PCC builds houses with the sole purpose of selling them? That just isn't a council's role and nor should it be. They could build social housing for the rental market but that is hardly the common import associated with "getting on the housing ladder". Your suggestion would sit happily with Redrow or Wimpey etc but not PCC.

The wider issue of student accomodation in Central Park just doesn't feel right to me. It's become common place for existing buildings to be converted of even flattened and then built upon and that just doesn't seem the same as building in Central Park.

That said a while back Eric Pickles drove through legislation massively empowering the building sector, cutting red tape and allowing entrepreneurs to do what they do best etc and now it is much harder for a council to refuse planning permisson for anything anywhere than it once was but for all that student accomodation in the park seems like paranoia/scare-mongering to me and I don't think that this particular real estate "reality" will stand up to scrutiny but I could easily be wrong.

Still as already suggested GC is by far the best fella for this particular type of jive talking.

Sir Francis Drake wrote:

Angry wrote:

green_genie wrote:

North Hill and surrounds has reached point where there is excess accommodation for number of students given number of new blocks gone up in the city centre.

With further planned for the Crescent JB has missed this boat.

Its all PCC are building now days is student accommodations despite there being a shitload off them all over central plymouth and thats not including the thousands of private digs rented out to students solely.

It would be nice if they built some affordable flats for those wanting to get onto the property ladder.

Are you seriously advocating that PCC builds houses with the sole purpose of selling them? That just isn't a council's role and nor should it be. They could build social housing for the rental market but that is hardly the common import associated with "getting on the housing ladder". Your suggestion would sit happily with Redrow or Wimpey etc but not PCC.

The wider issue of student accomodation in Central Park just doesn't feel right to me. It's become common place for existing buildings to be converted of even flattened and then built upon and that just doesn't seem the same as building in Central Park.

That said a while back Eric Pickles drove through legislation massively empowering the building sector, cutting red tape and allowing entrepreneurs to do what they do best etc and now it is much harder for a council to refuse planning permisson for anything anywhere than it once was but for all that student accomodation in the park seems like paranoia/scare-mongering to me and I don't think that this particular real estate "reality" will stand up to scrutiny but I could easily be wrong.

Still as already suggested GC is by far the best fella for this particular type of jive talking.

im not interested at all in discussing anything with you other than to say no thats not what i said thats just you twisting words again. go bore someone else with your essay posts.

Pardon me for breathing oh wise and masterful one.

Tgwu wrote:

green_genie wrote:

If they are no longer in contact with PCC where are the rumours from? I call shenanigans on this one.

We do have meeting with council officer's on other projects, ie cafe hub, lake, trees, and extending the alottments but not the overall master plans. We have our resources for news coming out from PCC.  

From that contact with PCC it would seem highly likely that FoCP are aware the HP Village including the GT suite has no valid planning permission. Just as well they are reasonable people and haven't acted out of spite after the boarish actions at The Cherry Tree.