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PostSubject: Re: The new manager thread   The new manager thread - Page 3 EmptyThu Dec 21, 2023 2:24 pm

I'm not so sure that Baines is the number 1 choice for the Manager job.

However he might well be someone the Club/Dewsnip is eager to get on board.

We need to remember that Argyle are in effect looking for a complete first team coaching group while trying to reward Nance etc for their loyalty.

It could well be that a new "Manager" has been identified but his support group is still being discussed -it being a balancing act involving who the new guy wants to bring with him, any up and coming young coaches (succession management) the Club want to bring in and staff already at the Club.


Edited to add:

Assuming most of the above will already be employed, there might well be three or more other Clubs to negotiate with!
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PostSubject: Re: The new manager thread   The new manager thread - Page 3 EmptyThu Dec 21, 2023 2:37 pm

Just  to add to the rumours, Keith Downing who had a short spell as asst manager last season was most recently employed as Eustace's no.2 at Birmingham City!

(Eustace was also No2 to Stephen Kenny the recently sacked Eire manager)

I wonder what the odds would be on Eustace and Downing being in the dugout on Saturday! Could do it as an accumulator with Stoke and Preston getting relegated.
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PostSubject: Re: The new manager thread   The new manager thread - Page 3 EmptyThu Dec 21, 2023 4:12 pm

Baines has said he's not interested apparently.

That's good then
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Czarcasm wrote:
Graiser wrote:
I’ve got no views on any particular applicant on that list as long as it’s not the part of the merry go round of the usual suspects, in regards to not appointing unproven coaches as managers, perhaps we should not have appointed SS, we would never have considered McKenna, Critchley, Manning etc, so for me as long as the recruitment team do due diligence then that’s good enough

This situation now is very different to when Shumacher took over. There was no due diligence to be done. He was in effect showing his worth as a potential successor on a day to day basis.

We are pretty much at square one now. Shumacher owes everything to Hallett & the Board for showing faith in him. He’d be a no-mark assistant at Preston, otherwise. So the manner and timing of his departure leave a bad taste in the mouth.

I see the Tromsø manager has now entered the betting.

Agree a bit different with Schumacher but not the other examples I gave
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PostSubject: Re: The new manager thread   The new manager thread - Page 3 EmptyThu Dec 21, 2023 4:43 pm

Grovehill wrote:
Just  to add to the rumours, Keith Downing who had a short spell as asst manager last season was most recently employed as Eustace's no.2 at Birmingham City!

(Eustace was also No2 to Stephen Kenny the recently sacked Eire manager)

I wonder what the odds would be on Eustace and Downing being in the dugout on Saturday! Could do it as an accumulator with Stoke and Preston getting relegated.

Doubt if Downing would come as he left us due to family reasons.
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Angry wrote:
the current betting odds from skybet (correct at the time of posting)  some great names mentioned, some ive never heard off and a few i didnt think they have worked in years and a couple i wouldn't touch with a bargepole.


Leighton Baines - 4/5
John Eustace - 6/1
Paul Cook - 6/1
Nathan Jones - 8/1
Neil Warnock - 10/1
Michael Duff - 12/1
Dick Schreuder - 14/1
Steve Cotterill - 16/1
Brian Barry-Murphy - 20/1
Jimmy Thelin - 20/1
Luke Williams - 20/1
Nigel Pearson - 20/1
Alex Neil - 25/1
Gary Rowett - 25/1
Tony Mowbray - 25/1
John Mousinho - 33/1
Karl Robinson - 33/1
Nathan Rooney - 33/1
Paul Heckingbottom - 33/1
Shaun Maloney - 33/1
Aidy Boothroyd - 50/1
Anthony Barry - 50/1
Ben Garner - 50/1
Chris Coleman - 50/1
Chris Davies - 50/1
Chris Hughton - 50/1
Clint Hill - 50/1
Craig Hignett - 50/1
Damien Duff - 50/1
Danny Cowley - 50/1
Dave Challinor - 50/1
David Healy - 50/1
Dean Holden - 50/1
Derek McInness - 50/1
Gareth Ainsworth - 50/1
Garry Monk - 50/1
Gary McSheffrey - 50/1
Glenn Whelan - 50/1
Gus Poyet - 50/1
Ian Dawes - 50/1
Ian Evatt - 50/1
Jim Godwin - 50/1
Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink - 50/1
Joey Barton - 50/1
John McGreal - 50/1
Jonathan Woodgate - 50/1
Keith Curle - 50/1
Kevin Betsy - 50/1
Kevin Muscat - 50/1
Kevin Phillips - 50/1
Lee Bell - 50/1
Lee Bowyer - 50/1
Lee Cattermole - 50/1
Luke Garrard - 50/1
Mark Bonner - 50/1
Mark Hughes - 50/1
Mark Kennedy - 50/1
Michael Appleton - 50/1
Neil Lennon - 50/1
Nigel Clough - 50/1
Paul Hartley - 50/1
Paul Ince - 50/1
Paul Lambert - 50/1
Paul Tisdale - 50/1
Pete Wild - 50/1
Robbie Nielson - 50/1
Ruben Selles - 50/1
Scott Brown - 50/1
Scott Parker - 50/1
Shaun Derry - 50/1
Stephen Bradley - 50/1
Stephen Kenny - 50/1
Steve Bruce - 50/1
Steve Evans - 50/1
Steve Morison - 50/1

With some of those on that list I’m surprised Paul Wottons not been included!

Just not another scouser FFS!
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PostSubject: Re: The new manager thread   The new manager thread - Page 3 EmptyThu Dec 21, 2023 5:44 pm

Mook wrote:
Baines has said he's not interested apparently.

That's good then

I really hope he's not interested. But I hope more that Hallett would not have given someone with as little experience as that even a second glance. We need someone with a track record of very notable success in league club management, be it the EFL or other European Leagues at a high level.
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PostSubject: Re: The new manager thread   The new manager thread - Page 3 EmptyThu Dec 21, 2023 6:30 pm

There’s a Spanish chap I believe is interested, think he’s called Pap, Pip or Pep or something like that
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PostSubject: Re: The new manager thread   The new manager thread - Page 3 EmptyThu Dec 21, 2023 6:32 pm

Freathy wrote:
Mook wrote:
Baines has said he's not interested apparently.

That's good then

I really hope he's not interested.  But I hope more that Hallett would not have given someone with as little experience as that even a second glance.  We need someone with a track record of very notable success in league club management, be it the EFL or other European Leagues at a high level.  

if someone with no experience managing a crap youth team doesnt want the job doesnt bode well atm :O

we got 99 applicants and baines aint one
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PostSubject: Re: The new manager thread   The new manager thread - Page 3 EmptyThu Dec 21, 2023 7:06 pm

50 years following the Greens leads me to have the following thoughts about the next manager:

Big name? Well they didn't come much bigger than Peter Shilton.

No one else would hire him. Dave Smith had been out of football for 16 months when he took over at Home Park.

Who? Be honest, had anyone heard of Tony Waiters?

Get an old boy back. David Kemp? Made half the Green Army into deserters

He's a fecking nut case. Ian Holloway was as mad as a box of frogs.

They say he's a very good coach. Big Mal. Walked out on us not once but twice!



The truth of the matter is that it doesn't matter what they seem like on the first day, it's what they do afterwards that counts.

So here's to "What about?"    "I've heard it's....."  "My taxi driver mate picked up.."  "I saw xxx at Marsh mills Sainsbury"  and lots of speculation over the next few days until a name (or names) is announced .
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got sent this by someone commenting on the squad mass goodbye messages they ae posting one after the other to schumacher on social media. personally ive never watched ted lasso but is he in the running for the job as he seems the type blocks 3-4 like...
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PostSubject: Re: The new manager thread   The new manager thread - Page 3 EmptyThu Dec 21, 2023 10:19 pm

Apparently he didn't tell the players he was leaving, they found out like we did.

What a feckin prick he is
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Sounds good.
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PostSubject: Re: The new manager thread   The new manager thread - Page 3 EmptyFri Dec 22, 2023 9:01 am

Can't wait until the **** is sacked by Stoke. With them having 6 managers in six years (9 including the caretakers) it doesn't look good for schumacher.
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PostSubject: Re: The new manager thread   The new manager thread - Page 3 EmptyFri Dec 22, 2023 1:58 pm

Bookies not giving anything away. Depending which bookies site you look at it's either Baines, Gus Poyet or Paul Cook who are favourites.
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So what attracted you to a Club owned by one of Britain's wealthiest families?
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Very Mrs Merton question that wasn't it Laughing
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Mook wrote:
Apparently he didn't tell the players he was leaving, they found out like we did.

What a feckin prick he is
proberly to embarrassed to face em with the shit he used spew out about the place I bleed green nonsense me my family love it down here not better place to be and best fans in the country blah! Blah ! Blah blah etc etc and then F#%Ks off absolute prick hope our fans don’t stand or fall for any of that old bollox ever again !
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Got to 12 seconds and had to switch it off due to feeling thoroughly nauseated
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PostSubject: Re: The new manager thread   The new manager thread - Page 3 EmptyFri Dec 22, 2023 9:29 pm

read this interview with chris errington. says he couldnt say so long farewell auf wiedersehen adure to the players as he accepted the job monday they where on their christmas night out wasnt allowed to come to training tuesday to say bye (quite right he doesnt work here anymore) so rang edwards and spoke/texted them all over the last few days... full transcript below

Steven Schumacher thanks Green Army for memorable time at Plymouth Argyle

The former Pilgrims' boss has talked to Plymouth Live this afternoon about his move to Stoke City and reflected on his time at Home Park


At the end of a week which saw Steven Schumacher's highly-successful two-year tenure at Plymouth Argyle come to an end with his appointment by Stoke City the 39-year-old has sent his thanks to the Green Army, as well as the players and all the staff at the Championship club for a memorable time at Home Park.

In this interview with Plymouth Live's Argyle reporter Chris Errington, Schumacher addresses a range of topics following his move to Stoke, starting with saying his farewells to the Pilgrims' players.

SS: I'm not on social media but my wife has told me that certain things have come out in the last few days with people saying 'He never even spoke to players, I can't believe he has left them, it's the players that have got him in this position'.It's absolute nonsense. Let's address that first about what actually happened.

I was offered the job on Monday afternoon at a time when the players weren't in the building. They were off. They had been on their Christmas party. On Monday afternoon I was offered the job, I had to go to pick the kids up from school and then go home and speak to my wife and say 'Is this what we want to do?'

The hours from Monday afternoon until Monday evening were really difficult. My wife was in tears. We had gone for the interview so I had spoken to her about it and said 'If I do get offered this job I think it's a good opportunity and I would like to take it'.

But when it became a reality it suddenly hit home that 'Oh my God, we are leaving a place where we have been settled, we have built a house, we have built a life, we have got friends, the kids are in school, we are leaving a club that we love and there is good people there.'

We were leaving them at a really bad time. There is never a good time to leave a football club, I understand that, but a week before Christmas, obviously with a lot of games coming up and they might be going into this schedule with no manager. So all of them things came into our consideration.

I spoke to Ricky Martin (Stoke's technical director) and said 'Look, I can't come down Monday night because I want to go in tomorrow morning and see the players and say thank you'. He said that's a good idea, go and do it.

The two clubs had agreed the compensation fee and all of that, and I had spoken to Andrew Parkinson (Argyle's chief executive officer) and Simon Hallett (majority owner and chairman) and explained my reasons behind it, and thanked them. They both wished me well.

I said I would like to come in (on Tuesday) and see the players through Neil Dewsnip and I was told Andrew didn't think that was a good idea. It had to be 'Tomorrow morning we are finding your replacement' and I said 'Okay, I completely understand that'. So I didn't go and physically see the players because they didn't want me to.

I understand where Andrew was coming from. They didn't think it was right for me to go in and say 'Bye' and everyone go 'See you later'. It was just 'Okay, you have made your decision, now it's time for us to get to work', which I respected.

So immediately with that I called Joe Edwards first thing on Tuesday morning. Nothing was official then.The paperwork still wasn't official Tuesday lunchtime' so I couldn't let the word get out to everybody I had accepted the Stoke City job because things might have fell down at the last minute, which sometimes happens.

So I phoned the captain, I phoned Jordan Houghton and I said to them I really appreciated everything we had ever done, what a journey. Both players were outstanding and said 'Gaffer, thanks so much for everything we have done, we have been on an incredible journey together and we wish you well in the future.'

I said to Joe 'Do me a favour today, put it in the Whats App group to the players that I will contact everybody either by text or phone call over the next few days' which I have done.

Also, I have been overwhelmed by the messages the players have texted me, not even just on a football note but on a personal note how they have enjoyed working together over the last four-and-a-half years, some of them shorter than that obviously.

Every single one of them has said 'I wish you all the best and hopefully our paths cross in the future'. So for people to say on social media that I have left the players and they don't even want to speak to me is complete nonsense.

CE: What would you say to the Argyle fans who are upset about you leaving, particularly after you said on December 7 that the club was the perfect place for you and you were in no rush to go anywhere else?

SS: I honestly did feel as though I was in a brilliant place. I have loved every minute of it there, as a coach and as a manager, and I have explained all my reasons for that before. It gives you an opportunity to learn, gave me an opportunity to make mistakes and gave me an opportunity to develop as well into a coach and into a person that I want to be as a leader, and I was in no rush to up and leave.

I have had my agent on the phone to me on more than one occasion saying 'These are interested in speaking to you, are you interested? And I would say no, not bothered. I won't name the clubs.

So I understand that people might be upset but they have also got to understand this type of club, Stoke City, these opportunities don't come around all the time. Now for whatever reason, over the last five or six years Stoke City have not managed to compete at the top end of the table, and everybody who has spoken to me about it has said 'How are you going to be the difference?' or 'What are you going to do to change that?'

If we can have the success working in the processes and the structure that we have done, and we try to get the right people in the club - like we did at Argyle - if we can have that similar impact at Stoke City then there is no reason why we can't finish in the top half because everything is there.

Plymouth Argyle, I believe, will get there in the next four or five years but as a manager you have got to strike when actually your stock is quite high. It might have got harder at Argyle next season, or the season after, and then an opportunity to manage a club the size of Stoke might not be there.

All them things I had to weigh up, and as I said before it was a tough decision and it's going to take bravery for me to cme to this club, but I wouldn't have done it if I wasn't confident that we can make it a success.

CE: One of the concerns of the Argyle fans is that you might try to take some of Argyle's best players to Stoke. What would you say about that?

SS: It's not in my immediate plan right now to go 'I'm going back to Argyle for their best players'. That isn't what we are doing. There has been a recruitment process in place at this club as you would imagine since the summer window closed, similar to what it has been at Argyle.

So I have come into the building and they have shown me the targets that are on there. It's not me coming in saying 'I want this player now because I used to work with him'. It isn't going to be like that, it's more professional than that. It's things that have gone on in the background before I arrived.

I will go through the recruitment process with that team and we will work together to try to get the best players for Stoke City.

CE How grateful are you to Simon Hallett and the people at Argyle for giving you the chance to become Argyle manager? When you stepped up, they clearly had lots of confidence in you but it was quite a brave decision on their part.

SS: I can't thank Simon Hallett, Andrew Parkinson and all of the senior management team enough. To take a chance on a young manager who was 37 at the time was a big risk for them but they obviously saw something in me in the two-and-a-half years previously that I had worked there that suggested they thought I could take that role on.

If they didn't think I was ready to take that role on, they wouldn't have given it to me out of pity or 'Ryan has left and let's just give it to Schuey because he has moved his family down'.

They wouldn't have done that. They obviously thought I was the best person at that time for that particular role and I absolutely loved working every single minute out of the four-and-a-half years with Simon Hallett. He's one of the nicest people I have met. We went to Glastonbury.

I'm friends with Jane, his wife, with his sister Susie and John, all of his nieces and nephews. They are people we will keep in contact with. So to build that relationship is quite rare and it's quite unique in football. I can't thank them enough for everything they have done for me.

The opportunity they gave my family now to change our life wouldn't have been possible without them. Thank you. They know, I have texted and I have spoken to them. They know how grateful I was for that, but they also see how hard I worked over the last two years to make this work.

CE: When you look back in a few years time, what do you think you will remember most about your time at Argyle?

SS: The whole of last season. It was just incredible. The Chelsea day out will live long in the memory as well. I thought that was absolutely fantastic for us to do what we did and almost show how brave we were going to be in the future.

We went to Chelsea and put on a good show, and went toe-to-toe with the European champions at the time, and we were really unlucky not to get a result from that game. So that set the tone, but then the following season it just couldn't have gone any better.

The football we played, the relationships that we all made with the players, with the way supporters grew and grew and couldn't wait to get toHome Park or watch us away from home, you couldn't have scripted it any better.

We were going up against two really unbelievable teams as well and we managed to hold them off and it all culminated with that day at Port Vale. It's my best day ever in football and I don't think I will ever top that.

To do that with what we had, we shouldn't have even been anywhere near the top six with that budget. We had a bottom half of the table budget and we won the league with 101 points and that will never ever, in my eyes, be beaten.

Then the parade on the Monday, even now I get emotional talking about it. I think everybody can honestly say that Argyle meant everything to me - everything. I was in tears on Monday as well, but it's football and realistically I'm not going to be at Argyle forever anyway.

It might have come to the point where after four or five years the players were bored of my messages, so this has almost come as a fresh challenge, but everybody who knows me knows what that club meant behind to me, leaving people behind who work at the club, leaving friends behind in the city was a difficult choice but if I wasn't confident enough to make this work then I wouldn't do it.

CE: You had a great rapport with the fans. I remember them waving their shoes around during your first game as manager at MK Dons. What would you like to say to them?

SS: It wouldn't have worked and it wouldn't have been as successful if we didn't have that type of support, but I think what I would stress is what they have seen from me is somebody who gave absolutely everything. I tried things, was positive, was honest. If we were rubbish I would say we were rubbish. If I had made a bad decision, if I got something wrong, I would say it.

I have absolutely loved the Argyle fans, and I know some of them will be disappointed. Loads of people have texted me saying 'I wish you all the best, it's the next step in your career, go and make a success of it' and I will always forever be a green. That won't change.

I just thank them and hope they understand in the long term my reason behind it.
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RegGreen wrote:
Mook wrote:
Apparently he didn't tell the players he was leaving, they found out like we did.

What a feckin prick he is
proberly to embarrassed to face em with the shit he used spew out about the place I bleed green nonsense me my family love it down here not better place to be and best fans in the country blah! Blah ! Blah blah etc etc and then F#%Ks off absolute prick hope our fans don’t stand or fall for any of that old bollox ever again !

Plenty have by the look of things:

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Greenskin wrote:
RegGreen wrote:
Mook wrote:
Apparently he didn't tell the players he was leaving, they found out like we did.

What a feckin prick he is
proberly to embarrassed to face em with the shit he used spew out about the place I bleed green nonsense me my family love it down here not better place to be and best fans in the country blah! Blah ! Blah blah etc etc and then F#%Ks off absolute prick hope our fans don’t stand or fall for any of that old bollox ever again !

Plenty have by the look of things:

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