The Worse Manager thread from the farm

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Hands down the worse manager was sturrock v2

That's debatable not knowing all the circumstances operating under the worst BODs.  Mariner would probably take the crown in that era anyhow.

You haven't lived bhey.Ufton completely fecked Argyle up back in the 1960's,selling good players on the cheap and bringing in crap replacements.Mind you,how much of that was induced by the useless board is a matter for speculation but he was awful on the face of it,decent chap but awful,far worse than Sturrock mk2 .

Mariner was far worse than Sturrock mk II.

And Peter Reid wasn't much cop, was he?

i did have a nice letter from Peter Reid though and Kemp was pretty shit

Kemp was OK he had to keep the side up which he might have succeeded had he not been sacked. Sturrock mk 2 was dreadful, players brought in then never used. Falling out with his players, shit football....

For me though it has to be Fletcher, totally out of his depth, no contacts within the game, mumbling interviews. A stopgap appointment made permanent, useless

Fletcher was bad, Mariner was not much better..

blimey, i forgot about Fletcher

I sorta felt sorry for Fletcher. A player trying painfully to do a managers job. Hopelessly out of his depth.

Mariner should never have been hired in the first place in any capacity and its sad that his legacy was nearly destroyed as a result he should have been president instead not that Japanese bloke or whats his name now

Admittedly stretching it but it could be argued Warnock was the worst, given the finances available and only just scraping promotion.

How did Kevin Hodges fare? Certainly our lowest period at that time.

Carl Clueless Fletcher, the worst manager in the history of English Football.

Fletch & Mariner should never have been made manager.  Reid should never have been paying the gas bill.  It's all relevant, somewhere.

Perhaps the question should be who was the worst owner/chairman/board of directors instead of blaming a handicapped manager?

Some valid points made about Shilton over there. If he had stuck with Kemp's style of play until the end season I'm convinced Argyle would have stayed up. T'was madness trying to get shit players to play football.

Of the managers since then Sturrock Mk 2 stands out for me as particularly bad, especially as he was so effective first time around.

reid was awful as manager even before the admin era started. With the squad he inherited he should hve done alot better before he had to sell everyone and had points deducted to which no one really could have done better.

Sturrock MKii had a modicum of success when looking at some of the players he bought and we later sold, quite a few wee nuggets. Who allowed him to sign player after player after he fell out with them? Who lumbered him with an expensive CB he couldn't work with?

Reid inherited a bunch of disinterested players stuck in Plymouth, concerned whether they were gonna get paid or not.

Czarcasm wrote:

I sorta felt sorry for Fletcher. A player trying painfully to do a managers job. Hopelessly out of his depth.

No way, he knew his legs were gone so he schemed his way into a job he was totally unqualified for.

Accepting that every club has a good cup run at sometime in their history then Johnny 'granite' Hore was not very good. He came from Bideford ? (tier 7). Imagine Argyle hiring the manager at Truro, Weymouth or Dorchester now. Bleedy mayhem!!

Coxside_Green wrote:

Reid inherited a bunch of disinterested players stuck in Plymouth, concerned whether they were gonna get paid or not.

i still had a decent squad good enough to have been top half of the table before the empire fell.

Hugh Watt wrote:

Czarcasm wrote:

I sorta felt sorry for Fletcher. A player trying painfully to do a managers job. Hopelessly out of his depth.

No way, he knew his legs were gone so he schemed his way into a job he was totally unqualified for.

I agree with both of you on this one. He knew his legs were gone but went ahead and instigated a clause to renew his contract as a player. He was also behind Reid's dismissal but who was the instigator who promised him a management role?

For me it's a tough one when it comes to rights and wrongs in the world we live today. All morally wrong but nobody gives a shit when you have nothing.

I think the same case could be made for Kemp and Sturrock mk II: had neither been sacked two relegations might have been avoided. It's all hypothetical though. The only certainty is that sacking both resulted in us being relegated each time.

I would also say that those two relegations are far more significant than any of the others the club has suffered. Kemp's relegation set in motion the chain of events that saw us hit Div 4 for the first time in our history. Just as football started riding the gravy train Argyle were headed away from where the action was and have never really recovered since. The Sturrock/Mariner relegation cast the die for our descent into admin hell from which we have not yet really recovered.

Both were completely unmitigated disasters.

Czarcasm wrote:

I sorta felt sorry for Fletcher. A player trying painfully to do a managers job. Hopelessly out of his depth.

In a few years time with a decent well run club I think he could do well as a manager, but only after he has spent 2/3 seasons as an assistant manager somewhere.

He was a fish out of water when he was made Argyle manager. He had one of the worst squads in Argyle's history, not much to spend and not many contacts compared to others.

Angry wrote:

Coxside_Green wrote:

Reid inherited a bunch of disinterested players stuck in Plymouth, concerned whether they were gonna get paid or not.

i still had a decent squad good enough to have been top half of the table before the empire fell.

If it wasn't for the enforced sales I suspect we would've made the play-offs.  Once we lost Noone, the better Wright etc etc, we were fecked.