The New Grandstand

After yet another dire performance today, we really are up the Blue Square creek without a paddle ain't we? The nightmare scenario of dropping out of the football league moves closer to becoming a reality with every passing game.

But it might not be all bad news for Jimmy B.

I reckon relegation will provide a tailor-made get-out clause for Brent to scrap plans for the new Grandstand. The reduced crowds, reduced sponsorship, reduced revenue streams associated with the corporate side, will all provide Brent with the excuses he needs. The Grandstand will then be condemned before it falls down and our demise will be complete.

Sad innit?

What would he get out of not building the stand though?

If he is only in it for the property then it'd be in his interest to develop the property. If he isn't in it for the property, it's in the interests of the football side to have a revenue developing grandstand too. Either way I don't see how not building the stand would be good for him-unless the suggestion is that he'd pull out of the club?

Brent has already stated that if he were not to build a new grandstand he would invest in a 'community project' instead.

I don't think he has explained what would lead him not to build a grandstand, and neither has he explained what sort of thing he envisions as a 'community project'?

Questions, questions, questions...

Where is the PASB - sorry, you're not a "member" - where is the AFT when you need them?

GreenSam wrote:

What would he get out of not building the stand though?

If he is only in it for the property then it'd be in his interest to develop the property. If he isn't in it for the property, it's in the interests of the football side to have a revenue developing grandstand too. Either way I don't see how not building the stand would be good for him-unless the suggestion is that he'd pull out of the club?

As Jessie J said Sam, it's all about the money money money.

If he has a exit plan it would be even more obvious. But purely in terms of finance, if it is cheaper to fob everyone off with a 'community project', then sure as eggs is eggs that is what will happen.

Relegation would rubber stamp it, I reckon.

Rickler wrote:

Brent has already stated that if he were not to build a new grandstand he would invest in a 'community project' instead.

I don't think he has explained what would lead him not to build a grandstand, and neither has he explained what sort of thing he envisions as a 'community project'?

Questions, questions, questions...

Where is the PASB - sorry, you're not a "member" - where is the AFT when you need them?

Ok- that makes more sense fair enough.

Surely if he didn't build a new stand then the next option would be to revert to the alternative that was offered to the club which is to get X % of profits from the car park land development? The choice the club had was between that and the grandstand-although to be honest that's always been a deal which has puzzled me slightly. Brent was offering a choice of those two options to PAFC the club yet the James Brent is the owner of PAFC the club and presumably acts on its behalf. So essentially James Brent was offering a deal to James Brent in a business transaction conducted by James Brent.

I agree that it should be an issue for the Trust/PASB to ask directly-but then again I for one was totally unaware of those quotes until now and they don't look too pretty. May I ask roughly when he made them if you can remember?

GreenSam wrote:

Rickler wrote:

Brent has already stated that if he were not to build a new grandstand he would invest in a 'community project' instead.

I don't think he has explained what would lead him not to build a grandstand, and neither has he explained what sort of thing he envisions as a 'community project'?

Questions, questions, questions...

Where is the PASB - sorry, you're not a "member" - where is the AFT when you need them?

Ok- that makes more sense fair enough.

Surely if he didn't build a new stand then the next option would be to revert to the alternative that was offered to the club which is to get X % of profits from the car park land development? The choice the club had was between that and the grandstand-although to be honest that's always been a deal which has puzzled me slightly. Brent was offering a choice of those two options to PAFC the club yet the James Brent is the owner of PAFC the club and presumably acts on its behalf. So essentially James Brent was offering a deal to James Brent in a business transaction conducted by James Brent.

I agree that it should be an issue for the Trust/PASB to ask directly-but then again I for one was totally unaware of those quotes until now and they don't look too pretty. May I ask roughly when he made them if you can remember?

I think you just answered your own confusion there Sam and I think that Czar has it 100% right.

As at lad I remember watching a 1st division match at Bramall Lane from the touchline of the missing 4th side (the cricket pitch). Northampton had a similar setup as well I think.

Since then several 4 sided grounds have become 3 sided, Blackpool, Bournemouth, Oxford and now, Oldham, spring to mind. They seem to stay that way until success is achieved and it becomes cost effective to build.

The only difference at Argo is the requirement to tie together the car park developments to satisfy the planners. I suspect that might be achieved in the cheapest way possible.

I await the plans with interest. They've already slipped to mid March, will they slip again until our destiny is known?

Brent stated that the target was for building to commence in the close season - i.e. June/July of this year.

Just the latest in a long list of "load of old baloney" statements that we've heard from various owners since 2002.

I been informed by a old colleague that the plans for Mr Brent development is with the council planning and being accessed before it is put forward for planning permission. The plans I heard will upset the majority of Plymouth’s residence, it is far more then a Grandstand and Hotel

we know what will come next approve the plabs or it will be the end of the football club

Tgwu wrote:

I been informed by a old colleague that the plans for Mr Brent development is with the council planning and being accessed before it is put forward for planning permission. The plans I heard will upset the majority of Plymouth’s residence, it is far more then a Grandstand and Hotel

What plans did you hear?

Brent has the Planning Dept neatly in his pocket. Unless he is looking to blatantly flout the Central Park AAP, there'll be no hiccups.

The new grandstand is to have the well publicised ice rink attached. But in addition it will be having a bingo hall and children's indoor play area similar to jump

Source : buildersconference.co.uk/


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Tgwu wrote:

I been informed by a old colleague that the plans for Mr Brent development is with the council planning and being accessed before it is put forward for planning permission. The plans I heard will upset the majority of Plymouth’s residence, it is far more then a Grandstand and Hotel

What plans did you hear?[

Sorry unable to elaborate at the moment, source could fall foul of Council confidentiality. But it more then what Dane indicated

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Yea Man wrote:

Tgwu wrote:

I been informed by a old colleague that the plans for Mr Brent development is with the council planning and being accessed before it is put forward for planning permission. The plans I heard will upset the majority of Plymouth’s residence, it is far more then a Grandstand and Hotel

What plans did you hear?[

Sorry unable to elaborate at the moment, source could fall foul of Council confidentiality. But it more then what Dane indicated

No worries wouldn't expect any confidences to be broken.

It'll be interesting to see if Brent has pulled a fast one with this aswell though.

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Tgwu wrote:

Yea Man wrote:

Tgwu wrote:

I been informed by a old colleague that the plans for Mr Brent development is with the council planning and being accessed before it is put forward for planning permission. The plans I heard will upset the majority of Plymouth’s residence, it is far more then a Grandstand and Hotel

What plans did you hear?[

Sorry unable to elaborate at the moment, source could fall foul of Council confidentiality. But it more then what Dane indicated

No worries wouldn't expect any confidences to be broken.

It'll be interesting to see if Brent has pulled a fast one with this aswell though.

I've got the banker down as sharp cookie, what do you reckon a lap dancing gig up there?

One thing that is causing trouble is the access to Home Park by Motor vehicle; at the moment the Council is letting Mr Brent Sheep to use the pave area outside the Life Centre main entrance, There are two no entrance signs on that entrance.
An accidence with a child is only a short time away

The access is already dodgy to say the least - Senior Greens meetings are a great example of people driving around knowing where they want to go but without a clue of how to get there. Bollards and random notices appearing from nowhere.

How are people going to access the new hotel. And at least 3 retail outlets. And at least 3 food outlets. And the school?

They could follow a man with a flag. I believe Forza Verde have one going spare.

With a jumper like yours, the flag would be superfluous.

It takes a real man to wear a jumper like that.

The shite will hit the fan with the locals if the plans are for alot larger development than previously mentioned.

Can these four development fit on Higher Home Park car-park

Grandstand, Major Hotel, International size Ice-Ring and a School, this is with out the food and retail outlets

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Scaremongering poppycock on this thread. One thing good about the Brent deal when he took on the club are these plans. Central Park needs something other than open green spaces that are used only in the Summer months by people and all year round by dog walkers and joggers.

People come out with - what do we need an ice rink for! Because we don't have one is the answer and it all adds to the city as it is a resource. What do we need a conference hall for! Same reason. It'll create jobs and add to the city.

As an Argyle fan I'd love it if he ploughed money into the club but as a resident, the other stuff is more important.

There will be a grandstand and it'll be a massive improvement on what is there now.

hairy j wrote:

Scaremongering poppycock on this thread. One thing good about the Brent deal when he took on the club are these plans. Central Park needs something other than open green spaces that are used only in the Summer months by people and all year round by dog walkers and joggers.

People come out with - what do we need an ice rink for! Because we don't have one is the answer and it all adds to the city as it is a resource. What do we need a conference hall for! Same reason. It'll create jobs and add to the city.

As an Argyle fan I'd love it if he ploughed money into the club but as a resident, the other stuff is more important.

There will be a grandstand and it'll be a massive improvement on what is there now.

I take it you don't live adjacent to home park then?

Of course icerinks add to a city, and conference halls if you attend geeky gaming conferences in costume, but only in the right place. I don't live in Plymouth but I know it needs developing, I also know how little green there is left in Britain and spoiling parks is all too common.

I have a feeling that if it were anyone other than James Brent submitting these plans there would be widespread outrage. In fact I'm so outraged I'm going for a dump!