EXETER V ARGYLE Match Thread

Can some kind mod edit Tringy's lazy post, as it's stretching a point too far along with my screen. That boy gets too much sun.
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Freathy wrote:

100% brents fault.  We were as high as we were all season despite brent.  DA has said he doesn't even have the financial backing for a core squad.  This combined with demotivated players who don't know where they stand re their contracts is the reason for the inevitable collapse of our season.

Under brent we'll be fourth division shit for years to come - if we're lucky.

BRENT OUT NOW

Bang on the money simple as

Freathy wrote:

Under brent we'll be fourth division shit for years to come - if we're lucky.

BRENT OUT NOW

Putting non-football issues to one side, surely without Brent's help you'd be lucky to be in any sort of division.

If that be the case, surely the current discontent smacks of an appalling case of ingratitude.

As an outsider peering in, I don't know all the facts and therefore would welcome a reasoned appraisal.

Not logged in since the exeter fiasco completely dumbstruck & lost for words after the game literally couldnt believe it.
To make matters worse the avivas are still blaming everyone expect there lord and master this brentmare needs to end soon

Hugh Midde wrote:

Freathy wrote:

Under brent we'll be fourth division shit for years to come - if we're lucky.

BRENT OUT NOW

Putting non-football issues to one side, surely without Brent's help you'd be lucky to be in any sort of division.

If that be the case, surely the current discontent smacks of an appalling case of ingratitude.

As an outsider peering in, I don't know all the facts and therefore would welcome a reasoned appraisal.        

........good luck on that one. In addition why do you say "you" rather than "we"......

Hugh Midde wrote:

Freathy wrote:

Under brent we'll be fourth division shit for years to come - if we're lucky.

BRENT OUT NOW

Putting non-football issues to one side, surely without Brent's help you'd be lucky to be in any sort of division.

If that be the case, surely the current discontent smacks of an appalling case of ingratitude.

As an outsider peering in, I don't know all the facts and therefore would welcome a reasoned appraisal.        

Try reading the scandal threads it might help.

harvetheslayer wrote:

Hugh Midde wrote:

Freathy wrote:

Under brent we'll be fourth division shit for years to come - if we're lucky.

BRENT OUT NOW

Putting non-football issues to one side, surely without Brent's help you'd be lucky to be in any sort of division.

If that be the case, surely the current discontent smacks of an appalling case of ingratitude.

As an outsider peering in, I don't know all the facts and therefore would welcome a reasoned appraisal.        

........good luck on that one. In addition why do you say "you" rather than "we"......

I believe he's an Exeter fan. And to be fair, he appears to be considerably less fucktardly than Fucksy or MOT Failure.

I understand why all the venom directed at Brent but I think we also need to listen to DA and try to be just a tad objective.
For example against Accrington, Luton and now Exeter Derek had said we were far the better team and if anybody says any different then they don't know anything about football, well if that's the case is that really Brent's fault or Derek's or heaven forbid the players ?
Has McCormick (allegedly the best GK in L2) got an aversion to his near post or is that Derek or Brent's fault ?
DA can't have it all ways, if we're the best side then just why didn't we beat the above 3 teams ?

Because on our day we are the best side, or at least one of the top three. We have suffered because of a reliance on loan signings. Adams isn't their boss, they can mank, bitch and feign injury back to their parent club if they want.

If you are trying to motivate a squad then having a third of it as paid mercenaries will have an impact.

That is Brent's fault.

Anyway - if Brent is on the case daily with regards to the new grandstand and HHP who is paying for all these advisors? Who paid for the architects, surveyors and lawyers?

Hugh Midde wrote:

Freathy wrote:

Under brent we'll be fourth division shit for years to come - if we're lucky.

BRENT OUT NOW

Putting non-football issues to one side, surely without Brent's help you'd be lucky to be in any sort of division.

If that be the case, surely the current discontent smacks of an appalling case of ingratitude.

As an outsider peering in, I don't know all the facts and therefore would welcome a reasoned appraisal.        

Lock your doors and windows they'll be after you now
My middle ground at present is to forget politics, who's saying what and who finds who a pain in the arse. Focussing on 6 games and just the team and results.
As for Exeter - well the Argyle team on the pitch should be capable of beating Accy and Exeter when 1 goal up with minutes to go. That rests with the team and coaches not JB.

Dick, you said it "on our day" we are the best side, just wondered "who makes our day"
I agree we have too many loan signings but we have DA extolling the virtues of Houghton, Threlkeld and Boateng, to a lesser extent Tanner all of whom, if we believe what we're told, all wanted to be here.
So I don't completely hold with the mercenary term.
Before the flak comes in, I'm no Brent apologist but just feel some of the criticism at times is not objective enough.

tigertony wrote:

Hugh Midde wrote:

Freathy wrote:

Under brent we'll be fourth division shit for years to come - if we're lucky.

BRENT OUT NOW

Putting non-football issues to one side, surely without Brent's help you'd be lucky to be in any sort of division.

If that be the case, surely the current discontent smacks of an appalling case of ingratitude.

As an outsider peering in, I don't know all the facts and therefore would welcome a reasoned appraisal.        

Lock your doors and windows they'll be after you now
My middle ground at present is to forget politics, who's saying what and who finds who a pain in the arse. Focussing on 6 games and just the team and results.
As for Exeter - well the Argyle team on the pitch should be capable of beating Accy and Exeter when 1 goal up with minutes to go. That rests with the team and coaches not JB.

The players that the team plays, that the manager signs and the coaching staff coach and, indeed, even the identity and quaity of the manager and the coaches, are all down to the budget on the table - and that is down to Brent. Argue what you want how you want but ultimately it all returns to Brent. After all if the goalie or striker isn't good enough the manager gets stick for picking them; well if the manager isn't good enough who chose him? And if he is good enough but under-resourced then whose fault is that? But I can't be arsed to go any further down that road at the moment and the core question is much more interesting.

So soddit. I'll engage with it but before I do on the terms I suppose are expected by the questioner I'm going to query the supposition "without Brent's help you'd be lucky to be in any sort of division".

Why should that be the case?

Off the top of my head there are very few teams that having gone bust have actually disappeared altogether. There was Bradford Park Avenue back in pre-history. And Maidstone more recently but still a very long time ago. And Scarborough - did they vanish?

So that's three I suppose. To offset them we now have a new Newport, Accrington (they've gone bust loads of times), Chester, Halifax, Hereford and probably a host more that escape me.

Many league teams have been into and out of admin without being particularly hindered in the long term with Leicester, Liverpool (did they actually hit admin or dodge it? No matter), Cardiff, Leeds, Sheffield Wed... And countless others. Probably more than half of the 92. There's nearly always a way of some sort that allows continuing football to be played more or less as it was before.

So why should we accept that we wouldn't have a club at all because in all likelihood we would and if it wasn't where it is now then it'd be somewhere in the lower leagues?

If it wasn't for Adams we'd now be closer to the bottom 3 than the top 3. We have one of the highest average attendances in the division and don't even have a core squad. Couldn't even put out a full subs bench v Oxford. Wheres the money going brent?

Got to admire Adams generosity in defeat!

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Some people just won't accept the person at the top is no good for the tribe. No matter what the situation.  You'll never convince them otherwise. It's an emotional thing, an authority thing. To question, to get rid is treasonous. Some people just like it that way, and would follow a lemming off a cliff if it had the correct hat on.  Some people will never understand that the decision maker/funder/boss/speculator can be an inadequate lemon. Probably goes right back to kiddie hood.

Some "leaders" do a good job, and even Argyle have had reasonable chairs for a while.  But some are hopeless, continually missing the boat. It's quite clear where Jimmy is queuing with his bowl, and for what reason. And that's when he can afford the half a day a week he spends on the club. We had another hopeless chair called Gardner who had so may jobs he didn't know which to do first, and look what happened there.

Brent is right on one thing though. He now says football is a matter of hanging around for a few years, and then you get lucky. While that probably gives an insight into his property speculation head, there is some truth in that, but what he fails to realise is you have to then actively ride your luck. Adams was a lucky recommendation for this division. Missing this boat and not building on the start Adams has manufactured out of nothing would be inadequate in the extreme. He has done nothing to throttle up, and the manager is clearly irritated.

Talking of discredited Argyle managers [which unbelievably Adams is fast becoming in some quarters] that tactically inept, demotivational, walking mogadon advert Sheridan has luckily managed to garner 23 points from 16 games to give previously dead on arrival outfit Oldham half a chance of staying in the league above. Includes a win after going a goal down too-Argyle's inability to do so was often used as a reinforcing stick for the mantra that he "couldn't change matches,tactically clueless" etc. Most interesting and food for very deep thought.

Lord Biro wrote:

Some people just won't accept the person at the top is no good for the tribe. No matter what the situation.  You'll never convince them otherwise. It's an emotional thing, an authority thing. To question, to get rid is treasonous. Some people just like it that way, and would follow a lemming off a cliff if it had the correct hat on.  Some people will never understand that the decision maker/funder/boss/speculator can be an inadequate lemon. Probably goes right back to kiddie hood.

Some "leaders" do a good job, and even Argyle have had reasonable chairs for a while.  But some are hopeless, continually missing the boat. It's quite clear where Jimmy is queuing with his bowl, and for what reason. And that's when he can afford the half a day a week he spends on the club. We had another hopeless chair called Gardner who had so may jobs he didn't know which to do first, and look what happened there.

Brent is right on one thing though. He now says football is a matter of hanging around for a few years, and then you get lucky. While that probably gives an insight into his property speculation head, there is some truth in that, but what he fails to realise is you have to then actively ride your luck. Adams was a lucky recommendation for this division. Missing this boat and not building on the start Adams has manufactured out of nothing would be inadequate in the extreme. He has done nothing to throttle up, and the manager is clearly irritated.

The reluctant one knew he had to buy off the leaders of the animals. They just love itplaying with his train set while he waits to cash in and they'll continue to follow him and tell everyone else to enjoy the ride too. 'Rattle hard enough and you might be able to join us in the Directors' Pen and get yer photo on GOS.'
Don't think this could happen at any other city club.
Janner..........seaside yokel. Geddon.................av a Dewdneys.

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Clubs who have entered admin in the last 25 years, strangely we're omitted, one club that is notable is Port Vale, I'm convinced if Brent had "saved" them they would be languishing where we are and we'd be where they are. I remember at the time us having fire sale after fire sale, pre and after admin. whilst clubs like Port Vale, Leeds and Pompey always seem to kick on after a year or two of stabilising. Funny that Pompey were only in Admin last year and yet are already snapping at our heels and will soon pass us. And before anyone uses the "Pompey have bigger gates than us" argument then why are Accrington one of our main rivals with their gates of a couple of thou?
Brent saved the club for himself he couldn't give a feck about the football.

That list must be based on some other criteria than just "in administration" because not only are we missing from it but Port Vale have been in administration again since 2002.

But no matter. It reinforces the point that admin is not necessarily, or even often, the "end" completely so we have been "saved" from what exactly? And was it worth being saved from anyway?

And I wonder how much the combined dosh written off comes? It must be an eye-watering amount.

Sir Francis Drake wrote:

That list must be based on some other criteria than just "in administration" because not only are we missing from it but Port Vale have been in administration again since 2002.

But no matter. It reinforces the point that admin is not necessarily, or even often, the "end" completely so we have been "saved" from what exactly? And was it worth being saved from anyway?

And I wonder how much the combined dosh written off comes? It must be an eye-watering amount.

It was a bit of an amaterish site but it was titled as clubs that have entered admin in last 25 yrs. funnily enough I remember Port Vale and was thinking of them when I looked this up. I remember us selling players whilst they exited admin. and carried on pretty well as normal which must be the 2002 admin that you mention. Didn't they even buy a player off us?

No. They were in admin only a year or two ago - that was what I had in mind. On exit from admin they got promoted soon after.

You're right it was in 2012 so a year after ours and it's the promotion that I remember. At the time I was asking how they could carry on as normal whilst we were acting like a pub out fit, they averaged crowds of 5700 so not a lot different from us and as you say we're promoted the year after. They have maintained league 1 status on those crowds as well whilst we are taking years longer to achieve the same. The balloon payment must be covered by the extra couple of thousand fans and Brent is to blame. It makes you wonder where all the money has gone because it hasn't been on players.

Just think... If the club published proper accounts there'd be no suspicion regarding such things at all.

Just an observation.

Nothing to see. It's a private matter.