bretonside

The existing lease was signed in Oct 2011, so October 2016.

Council Bag 'o link

Tgwu wrote:

Home Park Planning Consent
Question:
 
Will the Higher Home Park planning consent expire if development hasn’t started by August 2016, or could the permission be extended on the mere possibility of a change in the uncertainties afflicting James Brent’s companies; how might Bretonside redevelopment plans (including cinema complex) affect the decision?
Response:
 
If the Higher Home Park development has not started by 19 September 2016 then the planning permission will lapse. The developer’s individual circumstances are not a consideration. The planning considerations for the redevelopment of Bretonside will be considered separately on their own individual merits

green_genie wrote:

The existing lease was signed in Oct 2011, so October 2016.

Council Bag 'o link

So, with no activity, the planning permission runs out one month before the purchase!

It won't be so valuable without the planning permission!

Tgwu wrote:

Took from the  last mins of planning committee. On the 4/12/2014. 70.

QUESTIONS FROM MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC

Webcast for 70.
Minutes:
The following question was received from a member of the public for this meeting, in accordance with part B, paragraph 11 of the constitution.
 
Question No.03 14/15
Question by. Mr Kilvington
Cabinet Member of Committee Chair
Subject Higher Home Park


Committee Chair –Councillor Stevens
Home Park Planning Consent
Question:
 
Will the Higher Home Park planning consent expire if development hasn’t started by August 2016, or could the permission be extended on the mere possibility of a change in the uncertainties afflicting James Brent’s companies; how might Bretonside redevelopment plans (including cinema complex) affect the decision?
Response:
 
If the Higher Home Park development has not started by 19 September 2016 then the planning permission will lapse. The developer’s individual circumstances are not a consideration. The planning considerations for the redevelopment of Bretonside will be considered separately on their own individual merits

Interesting that this statement precedes the PAFC rant at Bretonside of 08th December.

Moist_Von_Lipwig wrote:

Tgwu wrote:

Home Park Planning Consent
Question:
 
Will the Higher Home Park planning consent expire if development hasn’t started by August 2016, or could the permission be extended on the mere possibility of a change in the uncertainties afflicting James Brent’s companies; how might Bretonside redevelopment plans (including cinema complex) affect the decision?
Response:
 
If the Higher Home Park development has not started by 19 September 2016 then the planning permission will lapse. The developer’s individual circumstances are not a consideration. The planning considerations for the redevelopment of Bretonside will be considered separately on their own individual merits

green_genie wrote:

The existing lease was signed in Oct 2011, so October 2016.

Council Bag 'o link

So, with no activity, the planning permission runs out one month before the purchase!

It won't be so valuable without the planning permission!

In case anybody is worried that JB may just set up fences and knock something down to say HHP development has started, there are still a number of conditions from the planning Application that have to be signed off before work can commence including agreement of the modifications to Outland rd junction and horseshoe access road

Can't see that the value of the land would change much as precedent for planning has been set, otherwise PCC would have potential for having used £400K HHP plot as security for £800K balloon payment loan (how are those deals with creditors going?).

Just thinking aloud here...

That 800k loan is secured against the land and guaranteed by the owners of that land but is being paid for by the club.

If ownership of the club changed then the owners of the land would still be personal guarantors for a loan over which they had no influence regarding payment.

If the club then stopped paying then the land would revert to PCC ownership, Brent would not be able to build on land he did not own and the club could then expand into that land as it wished because it is unthinkable that PCC would object and it could use the money that it was supposed to be paying the loan off with to do it...

What incentive is there for a new owner of the club to keep up the payments on the loan? None that I can see. Quite the reverse.

Surely this practically binds transference of ownership of that land into any deal that might eventually be done to sell the club? In effect if Brent sells Argyle he has to simply give that land to the council and payments for the 800k loan would be stopped.

Anyone on here knows a Mr Kilvington?

On similar tangent to HHP / Bretonside Planning issue, PCC planners have suggested approval for Lidl store plans for the old Plympton Megabowl site at next weeks planning committee.

This is despite Morrisons having planning approval for the plot next to it since May 2013, which their last statement in June 2014 say they remain committed to.

Also a sign that PCC Planning has been relaxed as previously the Megabowl site has been designated for leisure purposes only.

You can apply to extend it also.

green_genie wrote:

On similar tangent to HHP / Bretonside Planning issue, PCC planners have suggested approval for Lidl store plans for the old Plympton Megabowl site at next weeks planning committee.

This is despite Morrisons having planning approval for the plot next to it since May 2013, which their last statement in June 2014 say they remain committed to.

Also a sign that PCC Planning has been relaxed as previously the Megabowl site has been designated for leisure purposes only.

There is often either an Aldi or a Lidl astonishingly close to an existing supermarket. There's one right by Tesco at Woolwell, the Co-Op on Wolsely Road and another by Iceland on the Broadway as examples.

Locating them must be either PCC strategy or their strategy. I don't know which.

Sir Francis Drake wrote:

[quote=There is often either an Aldi or a Lidl astonishingly close to an existing supermarket. There's one right by Tesco at Woolwell, the Co-Op on Wolsely Road and another by Iceland on the Broadway as examples.

Locating them must be either PCC strategy or their strategy. I don't know which.

It's a specific policy of both supermarkets. Their modus operandi is to let one of the big four go through the hurdles and hoops of finding sites, going through public consultation and planning hurdles and then piggyback in at the end. There isn't much the pioneer can do about it, they take all the flak and incur the costs. This lack of capital expenditure is, as I understand it, one of the principle reasons for them being able to undercut the big four on in-store prices too.

Applications included have a publication date of 06/01/15


Comments should be received by Have your say 27 January 2015


Item No 130
                             
Application Number:14/02126/ESR10           Applicant:Deloitte LLP

Application Type:Environmental Ass

Site Address  BRETONSIDE BUS STATION, BRETONSIDE   PLYMOUTH

Description of Development:Request for screening opinioon for the proposed redevelopment of Bretonside Bus Station to provide a leisure complex predominantly providing restaurants and a cinema

Case Officer.        :    Robert Heard

Decision Date.    :     02/12/2014

Decision:ESRI - Completed

Planning is up and running Mr Brent

Ward.                                     St Peter & The Waterfront

Application Number              FUL 15/00006/FUL

Site Address                                 165 ARMADA WAY PLYMOUTH.

Proposal                                   Construction of new seven-bay coach station and 97 space car park including
                                                     change of use of ground floor of 165 Armada Way from financial institution (use
                                                      A2) to coach station facilities building

Applicant              Plymouth City Council, PL1 3BJ   Mr Chris Trevitt, Ground Floor, West Hoe Road, Ballard House  
                               Plymouth
                             

Agent                      Peter Brett Associates LLP, Mr Paul Knight, Caversham Bridge House, Waterman Place
                                Reading   RG1 8DN 06

Valid/Start Date.      05 January 2015

Application. Type.          Full Planning Permission.     Expected Decision Level

Case Officer                 Aidan Murray