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PostSubject: If shezza quits   If shezza quits EmptySun Apr 14, 2013 2:09 pm

paulo di canio gets my vote cheers well i can dream jocolor
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PostSubject: Re: If shezza quits   If shezza quits EmptySun Apr 14, 2013 3:57 pm

Would be funny if he did. Webb would explain how he's misunderstood and that his support of fascism was ironic and that actually he's a left wing trade unionist supporting socialist fascist.
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PostSubject: Re: If shezza quits   If shezza quits EmptySun Apr 14, 2013 4:17 pm

I'm still convinced we've got enough points in the bag ahead of our rivals to be Ok, one more win would be handy though, so what's the likely scenario at the end of the season?

John Sheridan's been much more impressive in his short stint than Fletcher ever was, but does he warrant a longer contract? Will he want to stay?

Has it been a case of anything was better than Fletcher? I think Sheridan's record is impressive enough but would he get us promoted with a full season to play with, or would that still need a radical overhaul?

I'm not sure if his spell with us will have caught the eye of than many other clubs but was he using Argyle as a stepping stone to a permanent contract with a club in the north?

I'm not so sure that Mr Brent will be bankrolling a complete overhaul of the playing side so who will be satisfied with the prospect of a much better season, when relegation was never really a threat, but other than a brief glimmer of hope for a few games, there was no real prospect of the play-offs either?

I just can't see that Argyle under Brent are going to be leaving this league in the right direction for the forseeable future and average gates of 5-6,000 aren't going to persuade him to invest anymore than the bare minimum.

If Sheridan is to be offered a longer contract then I hope he makes some demands about what he will have to work with.
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PostSubject: Re: If shezza quits   If shezza quits EmptySun Apr 14, 2013 4:42 pm

I think Sheridan has done wonders since he has been here. If we stay up he will rightly be credited for saving us and his stock in the marketplace will have risen considerably. There is no doubt in my mind that he will be offered a job in the north if that is where he wants to be.

My concern is that he will look at the budget he will be given next year and it will be cut considerably. No more working on budgets of 8,000 - this season JB will have loaned the club between £1.2 and £1.5 million. He has publically stated there will be no more loans next season. I very much doubt that season ticket sales will match this years and therefore we will be looking at a playing budget reduction of somewhere between £1.5 and £2 million.

I can see our strikers next year being Harvey, LeCointe and Vassell. I can see Nelson as skipper. A side based on youth - come on Alan Hanson - with maybe Branston and Wottsie, who will be playing their final seasons out where they want to be geographically.

Is that what Sheridan wants? Is it the best he can do? I doubt it.
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PostSubject: Re: If shezza quits   If shezza quits EmptySun Apr 14, 2013 4:58 pm

There's no way brent will offer Sheridan anything like he can get elsewhere. If we survive Sheridan will be snapped up by another L2 or even L1 outfit who will offer him proper terms and provide him a proper budget. Brent will probably look for a cheap option to replace Sheridan, possibly from within the club - Wotton anybody? If we survive we are 100% facing a third season propping up L2. Nothing can improve until brent has gone.

BRENT OUT NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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PostSubject: Re: If shezza quits   If shezza quits EmptySun Apr 14, 2013 5:14 pm

If the club is playing good football and winning they could meet the 8000 or near about mark for home games quite easily. Its when you serve up crap and keep losing you cant.

If Sheridan will be offered peanuts in terms of salary and transfer budget he wont stay here that's for sure. He is an ambitious manager who wants to achieve things in football and he can do this here everything is inplace for it (minus the board) he wont want make do with relegation battles year on year because that's the level of ambition our board has for the football side of the club. Its not good enough for this club nor do the fans deserve that.

Sheridan certainly deserves a longer contract along with a budget that will allow him to build a decent squad i Pray that will be the case.

oh and anyone think Neil Warnock or any other ex Argyle manager will take over from Sheridan you are sadly mistaken as they will not work under conditions a blue square south squad has. Warnock wouldnt last 5 months under Brent!
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PostSubject: Re: If shezza quits   If shezza quits EmptyMon Apr 15, 2013 12:27 am

I give you Burton Albion as a prime example in this league where a "large" budget certainly isn't on offer each season. Yet there they are with a home gate half of what we get third currently in the table. Their Manager has picked up enough players of sufficient class to compete in this league despite this big wedge.

It is not always the amount of money you throw at something it is what you buy with the money you have, how you motivate them and tactics etc. Sturrock mark one didn't have this spectacular budget either. He bought well and they gelled into a fighting force which proved unbeatable. I have no doubt if you look hard enough you could find several other examples of clubs with a lot less than we have doing the business.

Sheridan has done a good job or firefighting that's for sure. Having said that Fletcher did that last season which, however much you hate him now, was true given what he took over and where we finished. I would like to see Sheridan given the chance to have a real go but it will be up to him as much as anyone if he is here for the next term. Don't give me that he would be offered loads more pay in many other league 2 clubs because I don't believe that would be true. It's yet another internet myth that others pay big and we don't at least match it.
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PostSubject: Re: If shezza quits   If shezza quits EmptyMon Apr 15, 2013 4:23 am

Damon.Lenszner wrote:
I think Sheridan has done wonders since he has been here. If we stay up he will rightly be credited for saving us and his stock in the marketplace will have risen considerably. There is no doubt in my mind that he will be offered a job in the north if that is where he wants to be.

My concern is that he will look at the budget he will be given next year and it will be cut considerably. No more working on budgets of 8,000 - this season JB will have loaned the club between £1.2 and £1.5 million. He has publically stated there will be no more loans next season. I very much doubt that season ticket sales will match this years and therefore we will be looking at a playing budget reduction of somewhere between £1.5 and £2 million.

I can see our strikers next year being Harvey, LeCointe and Vassell. I can see Nelson as skipper. A side based on youth - come on Alan Hanson - with maybe Branston and Wottsie, who will be playing their final seasons out where they want to be geographically.

Is that what Sheridan wants? Is it the best he can do? I doubt it.
Interesting post- the budget this season is reported to be circa £2 million. Surely the reduction won't be as big as that? No matter how poor the financial management of the club has been thus far, I'm sure we won't get a playing budget of zero pounds Very Happy

However, you are undoubtedly right in saying that there will be a BIG cut in the footballing budget? Perhaps a 50% cut, cutting a million and keeping a million? Maybe down to £750,00? To put these figures into context, Exeter's budget this season (8th in league) is quoted as being £800,000. Torquay last season and Burton this season were/are in the top 5 on average crowds of £2,500. Their budgets can't be much more than the three quarters of a million figure. The budget this season is actually perfectly fine- competitive some might say! The clubs I've just mentioned have shown that serious funding isn't needed in this league- we in fact had some pretty decent funding. The fees which have been bandied about for Purse and Bhasera'a wagebill are absolutely extortionate. If John Sheridan had started with the same clean slate that Carl Fletcher had, then I have no doubt he'd have us in the play-offs this season. He's shown 6th place form picking up midway ffs! For all James Brent's faults thus far, and of course they have been plenty and heavily detailed, I do not believe that failing to provide an adequate start of season budget is anything even close to one of them. So, doubtless a big budget cut but still one with which we can compete (that word again)!

Will Sheridan stay? Well this is all assuming we do stay up but lets work on that premise for now. For the reasons I just said, I cannot imagine that too many other League 2 teams will be that much of a bigger draw for him than us. The only sides who I could see tempting him away are League One sides or perhaps Northern League 2 sides with high end budgets. Rotherham, Oldham/Scunthorpe or Bradford perhaps? Will he get THAT many job offers? Well he's undoubtedly done a sterling job in producing the form that he has but there are a lot of managers out there with potential suitors to appoint. The influx of foreign managers has led to something of a trickle down effect and as good a CV as Shezza has, I doubt he'll be the number one hottest property for clubs in League One upwards.

So my gut feeling is he'll stay and make the best of a budget from circa £750,000-£1,000,000 and get us into the top half. Purely a bit of guesswork based on the above logic and musings. I may be way off. I actually trust John Sheridan with a modest budget a lot more than Carl Fletcher with a big budget. If Fletch had genuinely turned out to be the next Eddie Howe as I (maybe naively) thought he might at one stage, then this season's budget could and should have been capable of gaining promotion. We can universally agree that the budget will be cut but we'll have a manager with 5 times the nous to make up for it (if that is, my instinct that he'll stay is correct).

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PostSubject: Re: If shezza quits   If shezza quits EmptyMon Apr 15, 2013 4:40 am

Meanwhile, back in Avivaland, England's most underachieving city club's fans, are taking the pi$$ out of fans of league newcomers, minnows, surrounded by big established clubs, Burton frikkin Albion.............. who beat us by the way.

Truly cringeworthy and totally village. It is part of the problem, just like the Pasoti Politburo and the dimwitted , scheming bullies who control it and are now protecting the banker for their silly hats and misdirected passion.......... just like Argyle's shooting.

Too right I don't want any part of it, til these clowns are put back in their cages. You're not safe as a guest of the club these days if you dare speak out against the silly hat wearers and control freaks.

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PostSubject: Re: If shezza quits   If shezza quits EmptyMon Apr 15, 2013 8:25 am

I think there will be plenty of clubs watching Sheridan's progress, he has produced a minor miracle at Home Park. If he keeps us up it will cost to keep him here if other clubs come sniffing around and I would be very surprised if we spent the money to make him want to stay.
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