The Mankover all action Thread.

Back says between 9-10 million being invested into HP.

Ok I don’t think it’s reasonable to assume it’s 10 million so for fairness let’s say it’s 9.5 million.

The Leitch refurbishment is 6.5 million

It’s quite clear he’s included the GT’s 1 million

The figures mentioned for the drainage range from 375k to 750k so let’s say it’s 550k

So we’re at £ 8,000,050

Back implies there have been some VI’s which would appear to be an added cost as this is suggested by Back explaining the financial hierarchy, what this cost would be is anyone’s guess but say it’s 100k.

Now £ 8,100,050

It’s a reasonable assumption that Back’s salary is being costed to the Project, say 40k

Now £ 8,140,050

Which leaves circa 1.4million

On a project of this size approximate %age fees are

Architects fees @ 7% = 98k

Project Manager @ 2% = 28k (additional to Back)

Structures Engineer @ 1.8% = 25.2k

Cost consultant @ 1.5% = 21k

Services engineer @ 1.5% = 21k

193k total

Which leaves circa 1.2 million

All my figures are subjective and most probably there are other fees I’ve not mentioned but it appears not so much of a drama.

Wasn't the roof an extra million or so too?

Rickler wrote:

Coxside_Green wrote:

 A board of 10 feckin directors, all offering skills at top feckin whack, the history of Argyle explained right here.

The directors are all unpaid.

but all on expenses though that can’t be cheap specially for ten people doing feck all sounds like noses in the trough to me

Rickler wrote:

green_genie wrote:

What information you basing that on?

Last time full accounts published Peter Jones received £30k in expenses.

I'm basing that on a question directly answered by Simon Hallett.

bollox then!! By jimmymk2

RegGreen wrote:

Rickler wrote:

green_genie wrote:

What information you basing that on?

Last time full accounts published Peter Jones received £30k in expenses.

I'm basing that on a question directly answered by Simon Hallett.

bollox then!! By jimmymk2

It's bollox just because you say so, or you have proof to the contrary?

Graiser wrote:

Back says between 9-10 million being invested into HP.

Ok I don’t think it’s reasonable to assume it’s 10 million so for fairness let’s say it’s 9.5 million.

The Leitch refurbishment is 6.5 million

It’s quite clear he’s included the GT’s 1 million

The figures mentioned for the drainage range from 375k to 750k so let’s say it’s 550k

So we’re at £ 8,000,050

Back implies there have been some VI’s which would appear to be an added cost as this is suggested by Back explaining  the financial hierarchy, what this cost would be is anyone’s guess but say it’s 100k.

Now £ 8,100,050

It’s a reasonable assumption that Back’s salary is being costed to the Project, say 40k

Now £ 8,140,050

Which leaves circa 1.4million

On a project of this size approximate %age fees are

Architects fees @ 7% =  98k

Project Manager @ 2% = 28k (additional to Back)

Structures Engineer @ 1.8% = 25.2k

Cost consultant @ 1.5% = 21k

Services engineer @ 1.5% = 21k

193k total

Which leaves circa 1.2 million

All my figures are subjective and most probably there are other fees I’ve not mentioned but it appears not so much of a drama.

Well the only drama I can see is that these fine gentlemen costed the job at £6.5m and it now costing £10m. Let's hope no one notices how shit tue football is for the next couple of years whilst we pay the overspend off. Then we can start to pay off Halletts loan. It's a continuation of Brent, ten more years.....We are going no where under this bunch of clowns.

I really wouldn't give a shite if we could keep our better players, but we don't. It's a fekn gravy train, a disease, it's disgusting.

Graiser wrote:

Back says between 9-10 million being invested into HP.

Ok I don’t think it’s reasonable to assume it’s 10 million so for fairness let’s say it’s 9.5 million.

The Leitch refurbishment is 6.5 million

It’s quite clear he’s included the GT’s 1 million

The figures mentioned for the drainage range from 375k to 750k so let’s say it’s 550k

So we’re at £ 8,000,050

Back implies there have been some VI’s which would appear to be an added cost as this is suggested by Back explaining  the financial hierarchy, what this cost would be is anyone’s guess but say it’s 100k.

Now £ 8,100,050

It’s a reasonable assumption that Back’s salary is being costed to the Project, say 40k

Now £ 8,140,050

Which leaves circa 1.4million

On a project of this size approximate %age fees are

Architects fees @ 7% =  98k

Project Manager @ 2% = 28k (additional to Back)

Structures Engineer @ 1.8% = 25.2k

Cost consultant @ 1.5% = 21k

Services engineer @ 1.5% = 21k

193k total

Which leaves circa 1.2 million

All my figures are subjective and most probably there are other fees I’ve not mentioned but it appears not so much of a drama.

£1.2m might mean feck all to you but it's an amount that would've kept Bradley here.

Nice figures Graiser indeed....
As Ears says we got 10 years of this shit under Hallett who has been an unmitigated disaster. Seriously I'd have Brent back at least you knew with him he was devious at outset
Hallett should be sending off warning bells to everyone with whats going on. (Nah dont bother Rickler asking for proof as you did earlier to another BM)

Rickler wrote:

lawnmowerman wrote:

The may not get paid but I bet the directors can or do claim expenses.

They do not.

I asked that question in light of Beezy's ridiculous assertion that Hallet was claiming expenses for first class air travel from the USA to the UK.

Hallet might not be claiming expanses but I bet some of the other directors do . Halllet doesn't come across as someone to rip the club off. The other directors are a totally different ball game.

Rickler wrote:

Coxside_Green wrote:

 A board of 10 feckin directors, all offering skills at top feckin whack, the history of Argyle explained right here.

The directors are all unpaid.

You mean they don't draw a salary as Directors. Not even remotely the same thing. In fact you would struggle to find many directors in the country that draw a salary, why do that only to hand half of it to the tax man

If you think these people are doing it because they bleed green or whatever then you are seriously naive.

Would Brent really venture all the way to Plymouth at his own expense?

As has been mentioned the original run by fans board did not draw a salary as directors either.

Jones got paid for his "branding" work
Stapleton got paid for his accountancy services
I would imagine Gill charged the club for building consultancy, the only one I would expect that didn't have his nose in trough was Nic Warren, who actually did more to save the club than Brent ever did.

Yea Man wrote:

Wasn't the roof an extra million or so too?

I think the roof pushed it up to 6.5

Coxside_Green wrote:

Graiser wrote:

Back says between 9-10 million being invested into HP.

Ok I don’t think it’s reasonable to assume it’s 10 million so for fairness let’s say it’s 9.5 million.

The Leitch refurbishment is 6.5 million

It’s quite clear he’s included the GT’s 1 million

The figures mentioned for the drainage range from 375k to 750k so let’s say it’s 550k

So we’re at £ 8,000,050

Back implies there have been some VI’s which would appear to be an added cost as this is suggested by Back explaining  the financial hierarchy, what this cost would be is anyone’s guess but say it’s 100k.

Now £ 8,100,050

It’s a reasonable assumption that Back’s salary is being costed to the Project, say 40k

Now £ 8,140,050

Which leaves circa 1.4million

On a project of this size approximate %age fees are

Architects fees @ 7% =  98k

Project Manager @ 2% = 28k (additional to Back)

Structures Engineer @ 1.8% = 25.2k

Cost consultant @ 1.5% = 21k

Services engineer @ 1.5% = 21k

193k total

Which leaves circa 1.2 million

All my figures are subjective and most probably there are other fees I’ve not mentioned but it appears not so much of a drama.

£1.2m might mean feck all to you but it's an amount that would've kept Bradley here.

I’m not implying it means nothing but the figures being suggested it for “services “ are far fetched, I’m not saying mine are but I bet they’re in the ball park

Earwegoagain wrote:

Graiser wrote:

Back says between 9-10 million being invested into HP.

Ok I don’t think it’s reasonable to assume it’s 10 million so for fairness let’s say it’s 9.5 million.

The Leitch refurbishment is 6.5 million

It’s quite clear he’s included the GT’s 1 million

The figures mentioned for the drainage range from 375k to 750k so let’s say it’s 550k

So we’re at £ 8,000,050

Back implies there have been some VI’s which would appear to be an added cost as this is suggested by Back explaining  the financial hierarchy, what this cost would be is anyone’s guess but say it’s 100k.

Now £ 8,100,050

It’s a reasonable assumption that Back’s salary is being costed to the Project, say 40k

Now £ 8,140,050

Which leaves circa 1.4million

On a project of this size approximate %age fees are

Architects fees @ 7% =  98k

Project Manager @ 2% = 28k (additional to Back)

Structures Engineer @ 1.8% = 25.2k

Cost consultant @ 1.5% = 21k

Services engineer @ 1.5% = 21k

193k total

Which leaves circa 1.2 million

All my figures are subjective and most probably there are other fees I’ve not mentioned but it appears not so much of a drama.

Well the only drama I can see is that these fine gentlemen costed the job at £6.5m and it now costing £10m. Let's hope no one notices how shit tue football is for the next couple of years whilst we pay the overspend off. Then we can start to pay off Halletts loan. It's a continuation of Brent, ten more years.....We are going no where under this bunch of clowns.

There lays the problem with being rationale, the Leitch refurb isn’t costing 10million

harvetheslayer wrote:

Nice figures Graiser indeed....
As Ears says we got 10 years of this shit under Hallett who has been an unmitigated disaster. Seriously I'd have Brent back at least you knew with him he was devious at outset
Hallett should be sending off warning bells to everyone with whats going on. (Nah dont bother Rickler asking for proof as you did earlier to another BM)

That’s disappointing I expected a bit more from you H

Graiser wrote:

Earwegoagain wrote:

Graiser wrote:

Back says between 9-10 million being invested into HP.

Ok I don’t think it’s reasonable to assume it’s 10 million so for fairness let’s say it’s 9.5 million.

The Leitch refurbishment is 6.5 million

It’s quite clear he’s included the GT’s 1 million

The figures mentioned for the drainage range from 375k to 750k so let’s say it’s 550k

So we’re at £ 8,000,050

Back implies there have been some VI’s which would appear to be an added cost as this is suggested by Back explaining  the financial hierarchy, what this cost would be is anyone’s guess but say it’s 100k.

Now £ 8,100,050

It’s a reasonable assumption that Back’s salary is being costed to the Project, say 40k

Now £ 8,140,050

Which leaves circa 1.4million

On a project of this size approximate %age fees are

Architects fees @ 7% =  98k

Project Manager @ 2% = 28k (additional to Back)

Structures Engineer @ 1.8% = 25.2k

Cost consultant @ 1.5% = 21k

Services engineer @ 1.5% = 21k

193k total

Which leaves circa 1.2 million

All my figures are subjective and most probably there are other fees I’ve not mentioned but it appears not so much of a drama.

Well the only drama I can see is that these fine gentlemen costed the job at £6.5m and it now costing £10m. Let's hope no one notices how shit tue football is for the next couple of years whilst we pay the overspend off. Then we can start to pay off Halletts loan. It's a continuation of Brent, ten more years.....We are going no where under this bunch of clowns.

There lays the problem with being rationale, the Leitch refurb isn’t costing 10million

Then why did you quote Back on the very first line of your post saying 9-10 million?

Has the club bought back the 'unwanted by Mr 30% land' yet, and if so what are the plans for it. Bit of a cheek IMHO that he's selling it rather than donating it back (after all, he got it for a very good price in the first place).

Dingle wrote:

Has the club bought back the 'unwanted by Mr 30% land' yet, and if so what are the plans for it.  Bit of a cheek IMHO that he's selling it rather than donating it back (after all, he got it for a very good price in the first place).

Bent Brent innit.

Earwegoagain wrote:

Graiser wrote:

Back says between 9-10 million being invested into HP.

Ok I don’t think it’s reasonable to assume it’s 10 million so for fairness let’s say it’s 9.5 million.

The Leitch refurbishment is 6.5 million

It’s quite clear he’s included the GT’s 1 million

The figures mentioned for the drainage range from 375k to 750k so let’s say it’s 550k

So we’re at £ 8,000,050

Back implies there have been some VI’s which would appear to be an added cost as this is suggested by Back explaining  the financial hierarchy, what this cost would be is anyone’s guess but say it’s 100k.

Now £ 8,100,050

It’s a reasonable assumption that Back’s salary is being costed to the Project, say 40k

Now £ 8,140,050

Which leaves circa 1.4million

On a project of this size approximate %age fees are

Architects fees @ 7% =  98k

Project Manager @ 2% = 28k (additional to Back)

Structures Engineer @ 1.8% = 25.2k

Cost consultant @ 1.5% = 21k

Services engineer @ 1.5% = 21k

193k total

Which leaves circa 1.2 million

All my figures are subjective and most probably there are other fees I’ve not mentioned but it appears not so much of a drama.

Well the only drama I can see is that these fine gentlemen costed the job at £6.5m and it now costing £10m. Let's hope no one notices how shit tue football is for the next couple of years whilst we pay the overspend off. Then we can start to pay off Halletts loan. It's a continuation of Brent, ten more years.....We are going no where under this bunch of clowns.

Clearly admission prices and matchday food and drink will continue to increase in price while the football will be run on an austerity budget even George Osbourne would be proud of.
The club in footballing terms is going nowhere under this bunch of barstewards.

[quote="Earwegoagain"]

Graiser wrote:

Earwegoagain wrote:

Graiser wrote:

Back says between 9-10 million being invested into HP.

Ok I don’t think it’s reasonable to assume it’s 10 million so for fairness let’s say it’s 9.5 million.

The Leitch refurbishment is 6.5 million

It’s quite clear he’s included the GT’s 1 million

The figures mentioned for the drainage range from 375k to 750k so let’s say it’s 550k

So we’re at £ 8,000,050

Back implies there have been some VI’s which would appear to be an added cost as this is suggested by Back explaining  the financial hierarchy, what this cost would be is anyone’s guess but say it’s 100k.

Now £ 8,100,050

It’s a reasonable assumption that Back’s salary is being costed to the Project, say 40k

Now £ 8,140,050

Which leaves circa 1.4million

On a project of this size approximate %age fees are

Architects fees @ 7% =  98k

Project Manager @ 2% = 28k (additional to Back)

Structures Engineer @ 1.8% = 25.2k

Cost consultant @ 1.5% = 21k

Services engineer @ 1.5% = 21k

193k total

Which leaves circa 1.2 million

All my figures are subjective and most probably there are other fees I’ve not mentioned but it appears not so much of a drama.

Well the only drama I can see is that these fine gentlemen costed the job at £6.5m and it now costing £10m. Let's hope no one notices how shit tue football is for the next couple of years whilst we pay the overspend off. Then we can start to pay off Halletts loan. It's a continuation of Brent, ten more years.....We are going no where under this bunch of clowns.

There lays the problem with being rationale, the Leitch refurb isn’t costing 10million

Then why did you quote Back on the very first line of your post saying 9-10 million? [/quot

For gods sake I was quoting the bleddy erald !

Graiser wrote:

Earwegoagain wrote:

Graiser wrote:

Earwegoagain wrote:

Graiser wrote:

Back says between 9-10 million being invested into HP.

Ok I don’t think it’s reasonable to assume it’s 10 million so for fairness let’s say it’s 9.5 million.

The Leitch refurbishment is 6.5 million

It’s quite clear he’s included the GT’s 1 million

The figures mentioned for the drainage range from 375k to 750k so let’s say it’s 550k

So we’re at £ 8,000,050

Back implies there have been some VI’s which would appear to be an added cost as this is suggested by Back explaining  the financial hierarchy, what this cost would be is anyone’s guess but say it’s 100k.

Now £ 8,100,050

It’s a reasonable assumption that Back’s salary is being costed to the Project, say 40k

Now £ 8,140,050

Which leaves circa 1.4million

On a project of this size approximate %age fees are

Architects fees @ 7% =  98k

Project Manager @ 2% = 28k (additional to Back)

Structures Engineer @ 1.8% = 25.2k

Cost consultant @ 1.5% = 21k

Services engineer @ 1.5% = 21k

193k total

Which leaves circa 1.2 million

All my figures are subjective and most probably there are other fees I’ve not mentioned but it appears not so much of a drama.

Well the only drama I can see is that these fine gentlemen costed the job at £6.5m and it now costing £10m. Let's hope no one notices how shit tue football is for the next couple of years whilst we pay the overspend off. Then we can start to pay off Halletts loan. It's a continuation of Brent, ten more years.....We are going no where under this bunch of clowns.

There lays the problem with being rationale, the Leitch refurb isn’t costing 10million

Then why did you quote Back on the very first line of your post saying 9-10 million? [/quot

For gods sake I was quoting the bleddy erald !

So was it right or wrong? I'm genuinely confused.

Dingle wrote:

Has the club bought back the 'unwanted by Mr 30% land' yet, and if so what are the plans for it.  Bit of a cheek IMHO that he's selling it rather than donating it back (after all, he got it for a very good price in the first place).

As of a few weeks ago, it hasn't been bought back yet. Brent is waiting for planning permission to be granted to move the ice shed closer to the Life Center.

Hand over yer four hundred nicker to thirty% and the other top directors, cough up five quid for a beer or a cup of tea and stop moaning ffs! weem corperate now.