Brent emotionally blackmails Council - Club Statement

Club Statement

Unable to win the credibility war with British Land, Brent plays his last hand.

To use the language of the club statement:

One is a viable plan in the town centre led by a company with money and proven experience in this area and one is led by someone who seems not to have built a flat-pack shelving unit before with no money and little take up of the retail space despite 2 years head-start selling it.

I like how they complain that there is already vue cinema in the area 0.5 miles away, yet the home park cinema would be 2-3 miles away!

Big Fat PIg has posted this on Pisspotti, what a complete cnut..................

If the Board care about our club, what are they to do, sit idly buy whilst the City Grandfathers screw us up?

The alternative 'bus station' is a farce. What is it, seven coaches rammed into Mayflower Street, just so British Land can be given the pearl in the crown?

I've now heard via a Pasoti'ite that Colin Campbell Court is or is about to be sold, so that's why that end isn't fit for the bus station then.

If I was a retailer/cinema owner/restauranter I'd pick Bretonside over HHP any day of the week, but why on earth have they those two options?

Seems as if our Landlord has screwed us over.

Let's just prey that they decide to give us our Grandstand, if they don't they have well and truly screwed us over.

If they don't, I reckon it's game on and a war will break out.

Precis: HHP is dead - official. The new grandstand will not be built - official. Brent is desperate to extricate himself from club.

The board and Brent are clearly trying to get the excuses in first. It's all PCC's fault when in fact Brent's plans were a shambles from the start and he can't raise the money to build the shambles, in part because his credibility on being able to deliver anything is shot to pieces.

The fault here does not lie with PCC. It is not PCC who devised such a pigs ear of a scheme and then couldn't find anyone to fund it. Surely if HPP was so good it would already be nearly built. The council have granted planning permission and Brent has simply not been able to sell the space.

It's the equivalent of the council giving me planning permission for an extension to my house and me then blaming them because I couldn't get a mortgage.

Market forces Jimmy boy. I thought you more than most would have understood that.

Hitch wrote:

The board and Brent are clearly trying to get the excuses in first. It's all PCC's fault when in fact Brent's plans were a shambles from the start and he can't raise the money to build the shambles, in part because his credibility on being able to deliver anything is shot to pieces.

Exactly. He had the planning permission but failed to deliver the finance when the crunch came, just as he's failed to deliver on all the other projects that have become stalled or dead in the water. A bit rich too, to slag off the council [of whom i'm no great fan] when they've provided an £800k loan for the club to partially pay off it's debts.

Don't worry, THE Chris will get it sorted........

Sorry I was wrong. British Land and PCC have stitched Brent up. It's all PCC's and the residents of Plymouth's fault if the club goes back into admin.

Napoleon wrote:

Perhaps Jerry, there was wind of the 'other' development already out there.

I remember hearing how many had signed up, and then there was a 'hang on, what's happening here' type thing.

As for an 'exit strategy' I wouldn't blame him. He came in saying their was a symbiotic reason, and now it seems as if the council may have well and truly stitched him up.

Whilst JB was banging on about the HHP development, sustainable revenue etc, perhaps other council officers were meeting with British Land.

I'd be looking for the exit door and no mistake.

I wonder how secure Wrathall feels his second investment in Argyle is looking? What security did PCC get on their recent £800k loan? I wonder how soon it will be before Brent threatens PCC with the nuclear option of a second and perhaps terminal admin?

They've got a bloody nerve saying some of that crap. Firstly, all the stuff about the Bretonside redevelopment being 'damaging to Plymouth'. Those are not decisions for PAFC to get involved in, nothing to do with a football club. Brent isn't on his Development quango any more. Personally, I think it was more damaging for people arriving in Plymouth by National Express to disembark into a shitehole like Bretonside, but there you go.

The talk of sustainable Championship football is remarkable given where the club is now and given the tiddly size of the proposed stand. Reminding that Plymouth is the biggest city in the country not to have known top tier football seems to be twisting the knife a bit, seeing as an owner like Brent - deep pockets & short arms - will never get PAFC anywhere near the Premier.

Finally, irrespective of Bretonside, surely if you were going to get in your car and do anything you'd go into town and not 'HHP', because even without Bretonside there's more to do in town. This is possibly why HHP has been a flop - ill-thought out, cheap, unambitious, unrealistic, as many on this site have been saying for ages.

Surely the council has done enough for PAFC financially over the last few years; it is time for Brent to invest now. Because the way things are going, the day that PCC opened the door to Brent seems more and more like a mistake. He's just going to take, and demand and when nothing is forthcoming he will be gone - and the sooner the better.

I see a few dim-witted, beard-stroking spanners on the farm believe that PCC should come out and now back HHP - they already have you idiots - years ago - just admit that Brent can't deliver it - it's that simple. Why PCC would even consider kicking British Land in to touch and risk losing both developments I don't know. They've already lost HHP of course. Brent bluff and bluster won't fool many - just the fanboys and jamboys who will never hear a bad word said about the great man and his lovely family. Truly pathetic.

Brents just using bretonside as a excuse for his failings as a developer.

Club are pathetic, How many more favors are they looking to gain from a council that has already bailed them out on countless occations.

The bretonside development looks like a superb idea and i for one as a plymouthian look forward to this being built.

blimey...posts about Brent being crap at building stuff are actually being allowed to stay on the farm !!!!

Wonder what PCC could have done with the cash they gave Brent by letting him off the full rent/rates for two years, the £800.000 loan - and still pasoti people think the council should build a shiny new stand, how can Tudor blame the cruel gov for any cuts in front line services after this....

I have never been a fan of Tudor BUT:

1. PCC pay JB £1.6 million for the freehold of Home Park, giving JB a profit of £900,000 over the purchase price paid to Lombard.
2. PCC hand JB the keys to the Pavilions plus £2million to enable HHP.
3. PCC waive all business rates for HP for two years and half the rates for the third year.
4. PCC grant a lease on additional pieces of land to make HHP work for JB.
5. PCC loans PAFC up to £800,000 to cover historical debt.

The people to thank for saving PAFC are PCC.

JB had 18 months to sort out the financing for HHP before British Land were on the scene. He failed to do so. That failure together with the failure of JB to develop any single project he is involved in naturally leads PCC to look to other developers to work with.

The Council WERE in talks with JB regarding the rebuild of the Grandstand. The relationship is obviously dead now. Going to war with your landlord will never lead to a happy outcome. Rather than put out pathetic 'going to war' statements fans (both individual and through the AFT) should be putting pressure on the Board to rebuild those relationships with the only body that has put their hands into their coffers and saved our club.

Been  a long morning at the hospital, but coming home and reading this as made my day. Haven't British land paid up front, money to help pay for the new bus station? We should party away at the FOCP party to morrow night on this news.

feck BRENT  get the drakes circus thing built as thats more viable than building the clusterfuck of crap in the middle of no where on a carpark. Which might i add will not benefit the club one bit.

Why cant the millionaire Brent pay for anything himself?

Angry wrote:

feck BRENT  get the drakes circus thing built as thats more viable than building the clusterfuck of crap in the middle of no where on a carpark.

Why cant the millionaire Brent pay for anything himself?

Because he's a banker - they never, ever do - but they'll accept any bail-out going and give any excuse when they screw things up with other peoples' money.

Brent wouldn't even pay for a camera..............

Or a flag atop the Demport!

Brent worried about losing funding from a city institution (who they? - the Uni?) so what is the point of having someone with this CV on the Argyle board

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RICHARD Holliday is a Managing Director at The Royal Bank of Scotland who specialises in sport finance.

Richard led the teams who arranged the long-term bond financing of Arsenal FC's Emirates Stadium and the financing arrangements for Liverpool FC on behalf of its current and previous owners.

He has also advised other leading Premiership clubs on credit rating and funding options.

Richard has more than 30 years of banking and finance experience, from his start at branches in Shropshire and Wales to a corporate banking career - BZW, Barclays Capital and RBS - in London, New York and Frankfurt.

An established expert in specialist infrastructure finance for the public and private sectors, he has worked on a wide range of transactions including the Docklands Light Railway, the Channel Tunnel rail link, the privatisation of NATS air traffic control and the introduction of an innovative financing structure to the UK regulated utility sector.

TheChrisWebb speaks

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Absolutely farcical that the Bretonside proposal risks the Grandstand and the future of Argyle. Council needs to act now #pafc

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Tudor Evans 2002 "I will create a ground fit for champions". Argyle fans,12 years later RETWEET if you demand he comes good #pafc #plymouth

way back when HHP were trumpeting that the Odean had been signed up

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The 45,728sq m (492,216sq ft) development will include:
- Odeon 10-screen multiplex cinema including iSense screen

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when did that change?