Completed PASOTI HHP and Grandstand Q&A

genie - i sincerley hope that isnt the case.
if people want to object its THEIR right to do so.

I suspect they will call it banter aimed at winding people up.  Some might call it bringing the club into disrepute (one for Tony methinks....hello Tony....hello Lee my little satsuma) that the p(r)oxy associate director and club president are engaged in such 'threatening' nonsense.

Elias wrote:

genie - i sincerley hope that isnt the case.
if people want to object its THEIR right to do so.

One look at their publicly viewable Twitter accounts will tell you all.

But if they've deleted it don't worry, there's a few screenshots lying around.

I wonder what the cwu would say about it all.

data protection ?

Assuming somebody's got screenshots, they'll come in handy if anybody's rubbish gets stolen, or if the owner of a taxi firm turns up on the doorstep, or if somebody gets a drink thrown at them.

on a totally unrelated topic who's for a bit of fishing becasue there is alot of bait lying around here to land a few fish.

LOL he wouldn't know knowledge if it ran up and smacked him in the face

I see we have the latest 'how to suck eggs' missive.  In any case when is a hanger on not a hanger on.  I suppose when they are your REAL friends and REAL fans.

hairy j wrote:

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Paul_Roberts wrote: Interesting choice of title for this thread; was the upper-case T on 'Trust' intentional?

Yes it was intentional, got a problem with me gramma guv'?

Good response from BG20 - even though IJN started the thread... hang on a minute there. Hmmmmm.

It really is laugh a minute over there at the moment, my main point of incredulousness (if that is a real word it's word of the day IMO) is that so many other mods on pasoti think that it's ok for the owner of the site to be a secret mod. Are there any other mods on there or has Newell just invented them over the years? It's probably just him and Two faced running the site always has been.

green_genie wrote:

I'm sure Mr Webb's CWU members will be chuffed that he has enough time during their time of strike action to tw@tter message IJN about exchanging names & addresses of the HHP dissenters.

Is that strictly legal? Data protection act? I am going to spend some time next week to try and contact some of the supporters of the plan as there are a few there that look dodgy. If the multis have been wheeled out to alter the planning process then that needs to be dealt with.

I've submitted my objection. I only really object to the'inclusion of a cinema as I just feel it isn't in keeping with the sporting theme of the area.

I don't care if James Brent makes lots of money from this, I don't care who sits in the Directors box or really care about the road or the car park but the cinema seems like an odd inclusion and I'd be surprised if it was allowed. A dental surgery and school is a bit strange but the cinema just doesn't seem right.

School and a dentist in the corner of the ground, not bothered?

Not that bothered no. It's the cinema that I genuinely don't really understand.

hairy j wrote:

I've submitted my objection. I only really object to the'inclusion of a cinema as I just feel it isn't in keeping with the sporting theme of the area.

I don't care if James Brent makes lots of money from this, I don't care who sits in the Directors box or really care about the road or the car park but the cinema seems like an odd inclusion and I'd be surprised if it was allowed. A dental surgery and school is a bit strange but the cinema just doesn't seem right.

Pretty much agree with you here.

There is a Dental Surgery within Pounds House, or was when I lived in Peverell, so perhaps the park is the place for them.

I'm supposed to read 90+  questions & answers and suddenly agree how great you are, after you've already submitted your planning application regardless of ?

It's not like we (the majority) even asked a lot, in the main just a little compromise.

Despite my objections being forwarded I've already accepted it's all in vain.  Without mass protest it's a done deal.

Guess I'm past caring although I shouldn't be.

Those who attended the FOCP meet as Argyle fans the other night will do well to see Argyle for another 5 years.  Not only were they getting on in years, they all appeared manipulated.  Not much to argue with when a disabled guy is at the forefront, oh yes that one got played well.

For me it's either we fight these plans with all our might or Plymouth is dead to me.

Will the royal mail be able to cope with a sudden upsurge in junk mail in the next few weeks ?

I have never known a club chairman to want to Downsize his football club and not build up for the future. Nor have i ever known a bunch of "fans" to back this when they know the stadium will never be able to expanded/extended because of a nando's and a saltrock shop.

Whats in it for them i ask?

Coxside_Green wrote:

I'm supposed to read 90+  questions & answers and suddenly agree how great you are, after you've already submitted your planning application regardless of ?

It's not like we (the majority) even asked a lot, in the main just a little compromise.

Despite my objections being forwarded I've already accepted it's all in vain.  Without mass protest it's a done deal.

Guess I'm past caring although I shouldn't be.

Those who attended the FOCP meet as Argyle fans the other night will do well to see Argyle for another 5 years.  Not only were they getting on in years, they all appeared manipulated.  Not much to argue with when a disabled guy is at the forefront, oh yes that one got played well.

For me it's either we fight these plans with all our might or Plymouth is dead to me.

This is one of the big issues I see. Some people are thinking selfishly about this. They want it built quickly no matter how crap it might be, because it'll look good in League 2 and it'll be everso slightly better than the current grandstand. Why should they care what happens 20 or 30 years down the line and Argyle might be turning punters away every week?

Webb, Newell and co are just selfish cnuts who are enjoying their ride on Brent's tailcoat and lording it up whilst all along they know that if these plans were submitted by any other owner that they weren't so friendly with, then they would be organising protest marches, boycotts, creating organisations to oppose the plans very publicy, AND joining forces with the FOCP as they tried claiming the Trust leadership are now. That's where they got the idea from!

It's Newell and his age group like Angry Andy Soper, who lives in New Zealand for fucks sake and isn't told by Newell that he doesn't get a say BTW, who couldn't give a shit what happens further down the line who are the strongest voices for this, which is strange really because they will have seen games like the Derby QF with over 35,000 inside Home Park and the Bristol City promotion game which may well officially have only had 20,000 there but my ribs still hurt to this day from the scrum in the Lyndhurst.

There's the odd younger Argyle fan like that vomit inducing ass-licker Ollie who don't know any better. Haven't seen the place packed to the rafters and as hostile as any ground in Britain, haven't been one of 12,000+ who brought the old Highbury to a standstill who don't mind being squeezed in beside an Ice-rink and hotel because they don't believe it will ever be an issue again. Didn't have to sweat on getting a ticket to see Argyle for a Tuesday night League game against Cheltenham, when the horseshoe was being built.

I won't get to see many games at Home Park anymore, although I do plan to move back to Cornwall at some stage, but I still give a shit about what happens in future. If we all had that selfish attitude then why bother recycling? The world won't be destroyed in our lifetime whether we reduce our carbon footprint or not.

And that brings us to Chris Webb. Supposedly this lifelong Argyle fan who nobody remembers from more than a couple of years ago, who has a son who supports Argyle, who's children might well turn out to be Argyle fans as well and so on, who was most vocal as a fans representative 2 years ago, who was willing to chain himself to the club gates if necessary to make sure the club didn't die, who is in the prime position to be right there telling Mr Brent that sorry but this isn't good enough for Plymouth Argyle, but because he enjoys the club president role so much from what he posted a couple of days ago on Pasoti when some were calling for him to stand down and the role be given to someone deserving like Romain Larrieu, who isn't going anywhere while Brent is at the helm, it's too much of an honour and privelige.

His backing of the development chokes more than anyone else's support because he's a union man and socialist who has tasted the high-life now and wants more of it. How very Derek Hatton!

He's the one who should hang his head most over all of this. He knows full well that he wouldn't sit in the horseshoe with a restricted view even if Brent was being truthful about it being easy to expand in future. He would be calling for strikes if his postal workers had to endure something so substandard yet is happy for that to be the summit of Argyles ambitions for the future, oh and yes it's also really amusing to see Newell sticking the knife into Damon about the PASB trust issue when Webb himself as Trust Leader gave Newell a letter sent privately to him by Rickler, wasn't any call for that fans representative to stand down because he wasn't fit and proper, because they're both chancers who couldn't care less about other fans as long as they're alright. Selfish cnuts through and through.

Webb would've been all over that Q and A session that took 2 months for Brent to produce and yet is so full of holes it it isn't even fit for chip paper. Vague and deliberately so, it's cringeworthy and yet these two jokers who are the uberfans of the club are creaming their pants about it.

Whatever can be done to oppose the development needs to be done quickly and properly, even not over the internet as it just gives wankers like Peter Jones the opportunity to bribe other so-called fans into helping him compile dossiers on anyone not being right behind Brent and his plans.

Indeed Peter Jones is just as culpable as the uberfans because he has deliberately mislead with details as well, and shamefully was involved in ousting John Petrie as AFT leader, just as the uberfans had been involved in ousting previous holders of that title.

Ever since Brent reluctantly stepped into the fray with his already drawn up plans for cinemas and hotels in his back pocket there has been a concerted effort to trample over the AFT, and it has been carried out by some of the most active Trust supporters previously, who have been turned and now form James Brent's bodyguard. There is no coincidence in this at all. Pasoti has been brought into line with selective cleansing of the fanbase, underhand tactics to threaten and bully others and now is owned by James Brent's shadow. How convenient is that to make sure the message that everything's hunky dory is sent out loud and clear? Get them a seat in the directors box to show them how great James Brent is

I don't think it is the AFT who need to be organising any oppostion to the plans, but residents of Plymouth need to be given the full facts. Ordinary Argyle fans who see the CGI images in the Herald of a full house evening game with Exeter in League 2, because lets face it neither of us are going anywhere fast at the moment, and are spoonfed the view that it is going to be something to be proud of, they need to be shown what the faults are with the proposed plans, but not by the AFT, many of them might not be AFT members or want to spend £10 becoming one, but something does need to be arranged quickly so that the full facts are at least pointed out to these people and then let them decide if they mind having a nightmare traffic system on matchdays, if they are happy arriving and leaving Home Park with the cinema and ice-rink customers, many of them children being caught up in the melee.

If it is the AFT who try pointing all of this out then they will be labelled trouble-makers and shunned even more than they are now.

I think this has to be a local group of ordinary people, some Argyle fans, some FOCP maybe, who can see the pitfalls of the proposed development and are able to convey them sensibly to others, and then back off and let them make their minds up. If we're all wrong on here and the majority of Argyle fans and Plymouth residents want this in its current state then that should be the end of it. If we are right and the majority don't want it, then it will be a battle that goes on and on because Akkeron want this deserately and will fight tooth and nail to make sure it will.

Good luck.

Perhaps you really believe every word you have written there Jock or perhaps you are simply anti Webb/Newell etc?

It could be seen as a case of "the green eyed monster". 

Just thought I'd throw that one into the mix...

Greenjock wrote:

Coxside_Green wrote:

I'm supposed to read 90+  questions & answers and suddenly agree how great you are, after you've already submitted your planning application regardless of ?

It's not like we (the majority) even asked a lot, in the main just a little compromise.

Despite my objections being forwarded I've already accepted it's all in vain.  Without mass protest it's a done deal.

Guess I'm past caring although I shouldn't be.

Those who attended the FOCP meet as Argyle fans the other night will do well to see Argyle for another 5 years.  Not only were they getting on in years, they all appeared manipulated.  Not much to argue with when a disabled guy is at the forefront, oh yes that one got played well.

For me it's either we fight these plans with all our might or Plymouth is dead to me.

This is one of the big issues I see. Some people are thinking selfishly about this. They want it built quickly no matter how crap it might be, because it'll look good in League 2 and it'll be everso slightly better than the current grandstand. Why should they care what happens 20 or 30 years down the line and Argyle might be turning punters away every week?

Webb, Newell and co are just selfish cnuts who are enjoying their ride on Brent's tailcoat and lording it up whilst all along they know that if these plans were submitted by any other owner that they weren't so friendly with, then they would be organising protest marches, boycotts, creating organisations to oppose the plans very publicy, AND joining forces with the FOCP as they tried claiming the Trust leadership are now. That's where they got the idea from!

It's Newell and his age group like Angry Andy Soper, who lives in New Zealand for fucks sake and isn't told by Newell that he doesn't get a say BTW, who couldn't give a shit what happens further down the line who are the strongest voices for this, which is strange really because they will have seen games like the Derby QF with over 35,000 inside Home Park and the Bristol City promotion game which may well officially have only had 20,000 there but my ribs still hurt to this day from the scrum in the Lyndhurst.

There's the odd younger Argyle fan like that vomit inducing ass-licker Ollie who don't know any better. Haven't seen the place packed to the rafters and as hostile as any ground in Britain, haven't been one of 12,000+ who brought the old Highbury to a standstill who don't mind being squeezed in beside an Ice-rink and hotel because they don't believe it will ever be an issue again. Didn't have to sweat on getting a ticket to see Argyle for a Tuesday night League game against Cheltenham, when the horseshoe was being built.

I won't get to see many games at Home Park anymore, although I do plan to move back to Cornwall at some stage, but I still give a shit about what happens in future. If we all had that selfish attitude then why bother recycling? The world won't be destroyed in our lifetime whether we reduce our carbon footprint or not.

And that brings us to Chris Webb. Supposedly this lifelong Argyle fan who nobody remembers from more than a couple of years ago, who has a son who supports Argyle, who's children might well turn out to be Argyle fans as well and so on, who was most vocal as a fans representative 2 years ago, who was willing to chain himself to the club gates if necessary to make sure the club didn't die, who is in the prime position to be right there telling Mr Brent that sorry but this isn't good enough for Plymouth Argyle, but because he enjoys the club president role so much from what he posted a couple of days ago on Pasoti when some were calling for him to stand down and the role be given to someone deserving like Romain Larrieu, who isn't going anywhere while Brent is at the helm, it's too much of an honour and privelige.

His backing of the development chokes more than anyone else's support because he's a union man and socialist who has tasted the high-life now and wants more of it. How very Derek Hatton!

He's the one who should hang his head most over all of this. He knows full well that he wouldn't sit in the horseshoe with a restricted view even if Brent was being truthful about it being easy to expand in future. He would be calling for strikes if his postal workers had to endure something so substandard yet is happy for that to be the summit of Argyles ambitions for the future, oh and yes it's also really amusing to see Newell sticking the knife into Damon about the PASB trust issue when Webb himself as Trust Leader gave Newell a letter sent privately to him by Rickler, wasn't any call for that fans representative to stand down because he wasn't fit and proper, because they're both chancers who couldn't care less about other fans as long as they're alright. Selfish cnuts through and through.

Webb would've been all over that Q and A session that took 2 months for Brent to produce and yet is so full of holes it it isn't even fit for chip paper. Vague and deliberately so, it's cringeworthy and yet these two jokers who are the uberfans of the club are creaming their pants about it.

Whatever can be done to oppose the development needs to be done quickly and properly, even not over the internet as it just gives wankers like Peter Jones the opportunity to bribe other so-called fans into helping him compile dossiers on anyone not being right behind Brent and his plans.

Indeed Peter Jones is just as culpable as the uberfans because he has deliberately mislead with details as well, and shamefully was involved in ousting John Petrie as AFT leader, just as the uberfans had been involved in ousting previous holders of that title.

Ever since Brent reluctantly stepped into the fray with his already drawn up plans for cinemas and hotels in his back pocket there has been a concerted effort to trample over the AFT, and it has been carried out by some of the most active Trust supporters previously, who have been turned and now form James Brent's bodyguard. There is no coincidence in this at all. Pasoti has been brought into line with selective cleansing of the fanbase, underhand tactics to threaten and bully others and now is owned by James Brent's shadow. How convenient is that to make sure the message that everything's hunky dory is sent out loud and clear? Get them a seat in the directors box to show them how great James Brent is

I don't think it is the AFT who need to be organising any oppostion to the plans, but residents of Plymouth need to be given the full facts. Ordinary Argyle fans who see the CGI images in the Herald of a full house evening game with Exeter in League 2, because lets face it neither of us are going anywhere fast at the moment, and are spoonfed the view that it is going to be something to be proud of, they need to be shown what the faults are with the proposed plans, but not by the AFT, many of them might not be AFT members or want to spend £10 becoming one, but something does need to be arranged quickly so that the full facts are at least pointed out to these people and then let them decide if they mind having a nightmare traffic system on matchdays, if they are happy arriving and leaving Home Park with the cinema and ice-rink customers, many of them children being caught up in the melee.

If it is the AFT who try pointing all of this out then they will be labelled trouble-makers and shunned even more than they are now.

I think this has to be a local group of ordinary people, some Argyle fans, some FOCP maybe, who can see the pitfalls of the proposed development and are able to convey them sensibly to others, and then back off and let them make their minds up. If we're all wrong on here and the majority of Argyle fans and Plymouth residents want this in its current state then that should be the end of it. If we are right and the majority don't want it, then it will be a battle that goes on and on because Akkeron want this deserately and will fight tooth and nail to make sure it will.

Good luck.

As usual when there's any news, I've been working all weekend. Having a very quick flick through some bits and pieces. Has JB actually admitted that the 2500 seat expansion will have some restricted views? Or did I misread someone's comment? If so, did he say whether it complied with this 'green guide', Akkeron were so keen to talk about?

I don't think anyone's admitted that the extended horseshoe would mean restricted views, Brent and Webb don't do broadcasting the facts fans want to hear.

Noseyparker, I believe every word I write. Webb and Newell have both lied to me several times and are both self serving turncoats who only give a shit about themselves.

Why would I be in any way jealous of them? The last place I would want to watch a game from would be the directors box in the company of slimy creeps.

Who's bloody comment and what thread was I reading:?: