Pulis Leaves Stoke

Tringreen wrote:

Pulis did what he does best for Argyle. He shipped out the dead wood and made us hard to beat on a limited budget.

It was painful to watch but necessary. I remember seeing Romain time wasting after just 10 mins at Watford.

But, Holloway inherited a lean, mean squad and was able to add his dash of colour.

How long will it be before we have a better chance of making the PL ? If only Stapes and co hadn't got greedy . They too mistakenly thought that the public should turn out in many thousands but as at any club with no history, it required the sort of investment they couldn't provide to make the potential fanbase believe.They chose the 'feather their own nest' route, bought the ground and blamed the apathetic janners, when in reality, they themselves were the dimwitted janners.

Not going to start raking up the old debates Trin (we agree on so much these days) but really can't let you get that one in without reply.

The 'feathering of the nest' may have come in the sale of players to make the balance sheet look good before selling to the Japanese - but the purchase of the freehold was not done for personal profit. It may have been a mistake, I can admit to that, but it wasn't done with the intention of profiting personally. It wasn't a case of additional players or buy the freehold - the mortgage repayments were less than the rent when we were in the Championship.

Now I'll go back to lovin you!!!

Damon.Lenszner wrote:

Tringreen wrote:

Pulis did what he does best for Argyle. He shipped out the dead wood and made us hard to beat on a limited budget.

It was painful to watch but necessary. I remember seeing Romain time wasting after just 10 mins at Watford.

But, Holloway inherited a lean, mean squad and was able to add his dash of colour.

How long will it be before we have a better chance of making the PL ? If only Stapes and co hadn't got greedy . They too mistakenly thought that the public should turn out in many thousands but as at any club with no history, it required the sort of investment they couldn't provide to make the potential fanbase believe.They chose the 'feather their own nest' route, bought the ground and blamed the apathetic janners, when in reality, they themselves were the dimwitted janners.

Not going to start raking up the old debates Trin (we agree on so much these days) but really can't let you get that one in without reply.

The 'feathering of the nest' may have come in the sale of players to make the balance sheet look good before selling to the Japanese - but the purchase of the freehold was not done for personal profit. It may have been a mistake, I can admit to that, but it wasn't done with the intention of profiting personally. It wasn't a case of additional players or buy the freehold - the mortgage repayments were less than the rent when we were in the Championship.

Now I'll go back to lovin you!!!

I can accept that reasoning Damon.
What was obvious to me, given the club's history and non believing fanbase, was the fact that the 16k that turned up in the first season were only going to stay solid and increase, with investment from the club to mount a serious challenge. That required 'new money' and with a proper selling job of the club's potential and the willingness to 'let go' by the then directors.
The refusal to look to sell [at a run by fans , for fans price] was the beginning of the end. We got lucky with the appointments of Pulis & Holloway. All it needed was some cash backed ambition either pre Pulis or certainly mid Holloway and the potential fanbase would have started to believe.The season Holloway left, we were a better side than Hull and with cash backed ambition supporting a promotion push, HP would have been full to the rafters for the second half of the season.

It's the village mindset, mentioned by Pulis, that holds us back. Now we have Newell and co. with the same mindset supporting the property developer.

The 'fail to prepare/inspire, prepare to fail' saying is so true for clubs with no top flight history.

Brent doesn't care or understand the football club and his jamboys just want it for themselves. It's so sad.

And agree with nearly all of that - except the 'we got lucky' with Pulis and Holloway - that was just good recruiting

I like you Damon. You're a good chap.

Keep on saying what you mean and meaning what you say. The situation the club finds itself in now , is every bit as crucial as the administration debacle.

I'll always remember the comment from Stapes on the radio not long after we had sealed the promotion to the Championship, "I was on the phone to Paul (Sturrock) and I asked him "Paul, how can we deal with the fans expectations".

I knew from that moment that Stapes would never take us to the Premier and that was the day my tints came off. I'm quite convinced that just a small investment would not have only gained us Premier football but would have reaped a massive profit for those that made the investment. It was just nuts. absolute nuts that we never did "go for it" but I expect that Smiffy/exile would have been happy.

It's all in the past now but what have we learnt from the past? - Nothing!

It is certainly a crucial time - we can all try and make our voices heard but there is a much larger, more vociferous voice than ours and they are the people that will ensure our dream stays alive.

Damon.Lenszner wrote:

And agree with nearly all of that - except the 'we got lucky' with Pulis and Holloway - that was just good recruiting

whats was taribo West down too

Angry of Mayfair wrote:

Damon.Lenszner wrote:

And agree with nearly all of that - except the 'we got lucky' with Pulis and Holloway - that was just good recruiting

whats was taribo West down too

34 last time I heard

Awful football philosophy, was only going to work for so long before being found out, stoke almost paid the price last season.

His style of football drags english football back to the dark days of the 70's.

hope he doesnt return to the game

Angry of Mayfair wrote:

Damon.Lenszner wrote:

And agree with nearly all of that - except the 'we got lucky' with Pulis and Holloway - that was just good recruiting

whats was taribo West down too

The Board targets the Manager, the Manager targets the Players - no great loss tho - he was on a pay as you play contract.

Dane. wrote:

Awful football philosophy, was only going to work for so long before being found out, stoke almost paid the price last season.

His style of football drags english football back to the dark days of the 70's.

hope he doesnt return to the game

Yeah, right on! Pulis can get results against the best clubs in the country with Stoke, but could he do the same for Cullompton against Newquay in a south west peninsula league?

The subject of today's fiver from the Guardian

Quote :

PULIS ACADEMY: CITY UNDER SIEGE
When Tony Pulis arrived at Stoke City back in 2006, the club hadn't been in the top division for 22 years, and the team had long been used to doing stuff like shipping eight goals at home to Liverpool. Fast forward seven years, and the Potters have just completed five seasons in the Premier League on the bounce, their side now capable of giving former bullies like Liverpool a good old hearty slap, three goals to one, right across their affronted chops. Well done, Tones! That, ladies and gentlemen, is progress!
But not all trends under Pulis have been as healthy. Reaching a first FA Cup final in 148 years of trying was all good and well at the time, but we've got a modern world going on over here now, and Pulis's shower have since spent a whopping 24 months and counting without once making it back to English football's big showpiece. Way to jettison momentum, loser! And if that's not outrageous, unacceptable, despicable and disgraceful enough, consider this: Stoke had 37 years' head start on Barcelona, yet have they won any European Cups? The indolent clowns haven't even done any tiki taka! Understandably, then, Pulis was last night sent skittering down the A50 on the bones of his jeggings, his trademark baseball cap sent whistling after him with a cry of "… and don't forget *that*."
Pulis, of course, has famously never been relegated as a manager, which is easy to boast if you're Alex Ferguson or Pep Guardiola and in charge of a European behemoth, but a damn sight more impressive if your CV consists of Bournemouth, Gillingham, Bristol City, Portsmouth, Plymouth Argyle and that ungrateful lot. But innocent survival is no longer good enough if you employ basic hipster-annoying hoofball tactics – which admittedly doesn't sound too bad now we put it like that. So in an act of hubristic madness in no way destined to come back and give Stoke a huge boot in both glazed pots, club apparatchiks have briefed journalists to explain that they're hoping to take City in "a new direction".
Given their departed boss comes with a cast-iron guarantee to keep small clubs up, it's a joke that writes itself, is that.

Damon.Lenszner wrote:

Angry of Mayfair wrote:

Damon.Lenszner wrote:

And agree with nearly all of that - except the 'we got lucky' with Pulis and Holloway - that was just good recruiting

whats was taribo West down too

The Board targets the Manager, the Manager targets the Players - no great loss tho - he was on a pay as you play contract.

did anyone raise any eyebrows when his name popped up at the time and when he arrived for talks?

Angry of Mayfair wrote:

Damon.Lenszner wrote:

Angry of Mayfair wrote:

Damon.Lenszner wrote:

And agree with nearly all of that - except the 'we got lucky' with Pulis and Holloway - that was just good recruiting

whats was taribo West down too

The Board targets the Manager, the Manager targets the Players - no great loss tho - he was on a pay as you play contract.

did anyone raise any eyebrows when his name popped up at the time and when he arrived for talks?

I remember being a tad let's say over fuelled one evening and giving Taribo West absolute dogs abuse at Barnet when they knocked us out of the cup. If he'd been a horse he would have had the old screen up that night and been shot, he was nearly lame.

pulis has done well for them, relegation likely next season get your money on it.

Elias wrote:

pulis has done well for them, relegation likely next season get your money on it.

agree bud, just watch stoke play lots of sexy football as they get relegated.

Tringreen wrote:

Pulis did what he does best for Argyle. He shipped out the dead wood and made us hard to beat on a limited budget.

It was painful to watch but necessary. I remember seeing Romain time wasting after just 10 mins at Watford.

But, Holloway inherited a lean, mean squad and was able to add his dash of colour.

How long will it be before we have a better chance of making the PL ? If only Stapes and co hadn't got greedy . They too mistakenly thought that the public should turn out in many thousands but as at any club with no history, it required the sort of investment they couldn't provide to make the potential fanbase believe.They chose the 'feather their own nest' route, bought the ground and blamed the apathetic janners, when in reality, they themselves were the dimwitted janners.

Tringreen
If you think that Pulis's footy was painful to watch then you couldn't have seen many games.There were some classic matches played under Pulis that were far from painful to watch.
Southampton(A) End to end play plus the second half appearance of Theo Walcott and Chadders clean through on goal in the last minute only to shoot wide.
Crystal Palace (H) and Chadders scores after 15 seconds or under.Fastest goal ever scored at HP.
QPR(H) A convincing 3-1 victory and goals galore.Nothing binary there.
Cardiff(A)...A 2-0 win at Ninian Park with goals from Wotton and Norris and Pursey getting sent off for fouling Chadders.
Crewe (A)...another good win and Elliot Ward in outstanding form at Cresty Road.
Southampton(H)...a good 2-1 win,another thoroughly entertaining game.
Wolves (H)...another win and another entertaining match climaxed by an Ince own goal
Ipswich(H)...another win 2-1 and Mickey Evans final goal.

Coventry(H) another easy win.3-1 with a hat trick from Pericard.

greensleeves wrote:

Tringreen wrote:

Pulis did what he does best for Argyle. He shipped out the dead wood and made us hard to beat on a limited budget.

It was painful to watch but necessary. I remember seeing Romain time wasting after just 10 mins at Watford.

But, Holloway inherited a lean, mean squad and was able to add his dash of colour.

How long will it be before we have a better chance of making the PL ? If only Stapes and co hadn't got greedy . They too mistakenly thought that the public should turn out in many thousands but as at any club with no history, it required the sort of investment they couldn't provide to make the potential fanbase believe.They chose the 'feather their own nest' route, bought the ground and blamed the apathetic janners, when in reality, they themselves were the dimwitted janners.

Tringreen
If you think that Pulis's footy was painful to watch then you couldn't have seen many games.There were some classic matches played under Pulis that were far from painful to watch.
Southampton(A) End to end play plus the second half appearance of Theo Walcott and Chadders clean through on goal in the last minute only to shoot wide.
Crystal Palace (H) and Chadders scores after 15 seconds or under.Fastest goal ever scored at HP.
QPR(H) A convincing 3-1 victory and goals galore.Nothing binary there.
Cardiff(A)...A 2-0 win at Ninian Park with goals from Wotton and Norris and Pursey getting sent off for fouling Chadders.
Crewe (A)...another good win and Elliot Ward in outstanding form at Cresty Road.
Southampton(H)...a good 2-1 win,another thoroughly entertaining game.
Wolves (H)...another win and another entertaining match climaxed by an Ince own goal
Ipswich(H)...another win 2-1 and Mickey Evans final goal.

Coventry(H) another easy win.3-1 with a hat trick from Pericard.

I have some sympathy with you but you are generally talking about the exceptions. Barcelona are not exciting every game you know. Generally, and I'm a big fan of Pulis, he did what he had to do and he did it very well. He made us lean, organised, fit and competitive. In the division we were in that was essential. If you are competing on a lower budget then you need someone to make the sum of the individual parts greater than it should be. Pulis generally does that in spades.

greensleeves wrote:

Tringreen wrote:

Pulis did what he does best for Argyle. He shipped out the dead wood and made us hard to beat on a limited budget.

It was painful to watch but necessary. I remember seeing Romain time wasting after just 10 mins at Watford.

But, Holloway inherited a lean, mean squad and was able to add his dash of colour.

How long will it be before we have a better chance of making the PL ? If only Stapes and co hadn't got greedy . They too mistakenly thought that the public should turn out in many thousands but as at any club with no history, it required the sort of investment they couldn't provide to make the potential fanbase believe.They chose the 'feather their own nest' route, bought the ground and blamed the apathetic janners, when in reality, they themselves were the dimwitted janners.

Tringreen
If you think that Pulis's footy was painful to watch then you couldn't have seen many games.There were some classic matches played under Pulis that were far from painful to watch.
Southampton(A) End to end play plus the second half appearance of Theo Walcott and Chadders clean through on goal in the last minute only to shoot wide.
Crystal Palace (H) and Chadders scores after 15 seconds or under.Fastest goal ever scored at HP.
QPR(H) A convincing 3-1 victory and goals galore.Nothing binary there.
Cardiff(A)...A 2-0 win at Ninian Park with goals from Wotton and Norris and Pursey getting sent off for fouling Chadders.
Crewe (A)...another good win and Elliot Ward in outstanding form at Cresty Road.
Southampton(H)...a good 2-1 win,another thoroughly entertaining game.
Wolves (H)...another win and another entertaining match climaxed by an Ince own goal
Ipswich(H)...another win 2-1 and Mickey Evans final goal.

Coventry(H) another easy win.3-1 with a hat trick from Pericard.

I partially agree with you,some of the matches under Pulis were good-i remember a 0-0 at HP against Preston that season which was actually a cracking game and i do believe that Argyle beat Stoke down here that season as well-also a rare Argyle point at Elland Road.Having said that,i used to go to quite a few away matches back then and some of those were pretty excruciating-Argyle always seemed to lose 1-0 and not look like getting a goal as long as they had a hole in their collective arse.Mind you that scenaro wasn't exclusive to the Pulis era but it certainly paled in comparison with the following Holloway reign-some of the away performances were exquisite and were not consistently matched before or since in my experience.Both very successful in their different ways since then-if only,eh.

Stoke now risk being relegated next season. Pulis is a very good manager indeed and without him they would be nowhere.

But perhaps they just got fed up with his style of play ? It is very boring to watch and some have described it as "anti-football". But it works !!

Pulis was right about Argyle. We have a small club mentality which Brent's reign is reinforcing more than ever. Including the shitty new grandstand.

mandela wrote:

Stoke now risk being relegated next season. Pulis is a very good manager indeed and without him they would be nowhere.

But perhaps they just got fed up with his style of play ? It is very boring to watch and some have described it as "anti-football". But it works !!

Pulis was right about Argyle. We have a small club mentality which Brent's reign is reinforcing more than ever. Including the shitty new grandstand.

They probably will if Mark Hughes gets the job.

Has he ever achieved anything as a manager? Keep QPR up? Not really a name I'd be excited about if I was a stoke fan.

Greenjock wrote:

mandela wrote:

Stoke now risk being relegated next season. Pulis is a very good manager indeed and without him they would be nowhere.

But perhaps they just got fed up with his style of play ? It is very boring to watch and some have described it as "anti-football". But it works !!

Pulis was right about Argyle. We have a small club mentality which Brent's reign is reinforcing more than ever. Including the shitty new grandstand.

They probably will if Mark Hughes gets the job.

Has he ever achieved anything as a manager? Keep QPR up? Not really a name I'd be excited about if I was a stoke fan.

He will spend spend spend and achieve very little as per usual.

Stoke have had something like the 5th or 6th highest net spend in the PL over the past two seasons- I think Pulis is far from the only thing keeping them afloat. He's done well there but I don't think they'll drop like a stone without him.

GreenSam wrote:

Stoke have had something like the 5th or 6th highest net spend in the PL over the past two seasons- I think Pulis is far from the only thing keeping them afloat. He's done well there but I don't think they'll drop like a stone without him.

Depends on who they bring in Pulis installed a work rate that if a manager builds on like olie did they could go to another level. But if it is Mark Hughes that takes the job he would be a disaster for them imo.

For me a manager like Gus Poyet would suit them

There have been a lot of grumbles for quite a while now with Stoke and Pullis from their supporters. Like most groups they are split into the two camps of "we owe him gratitude" and "He's a disaster and the footballs crap". It makes me laugh in some ways because before he went there they were going nowhere. Since his arrival they have been promoted into the premiership and played in a cup final and in Europe. The moaners would have only dreamt of that at one time.

Now, having lived the dream for a while they are restless and think Stoke should become the new Brazil and be winning everything in sight. A lot of supporters up and down the country would love to have been in their shoes with Pullis I know I would. But if we were, how long before we too would be moaning. It's the same with owners. Having been nowhere near it for years they too now think they are billy big bollocks and should be winning everything. Think they have a reality check coming.