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Grovehill
Posts : 2277 Join date : 2012-01-24
| Subject: Re: January Transfer Window Thu Jan 04, 2024 6:10 pm | |
| Or you could look at it another way and say "We've had a couple of £million + players for half a season just for paying part of their wages. Now we can get another 2 or 3"
Anyway, what's the point in going on about Azaz? Unlike Morgan Whittaker he doesn't actually want to play for us-unless he turns down all the Clubs that are after him and comes back to Home Park! |
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Guest Guest
| Subject: Re: January Transfer Window Thu Jan 04, 2024 6:33 pm | |
| - Grovehill wrote:
- Or you could look at it another way and say "We've had a couple of £million + players for half a season just for paying part of their wages. Now we can get another 2 or 3"
Anyway, what's the point in going on about Azaz? Unlike Morgan Whittaker he doesn't actually want to play for us-unless he turns down all the Clubs that are after him and comes back to Home Park! what makes you think he didnt want to play for us? it was his club that accepted a bid for him and recalled him we didnt make an offer for him so i would say in his eyes we didnt want him. We can worry about Mumba and Whittaker in the summer cause if we go down they wont be hanging around and if the new bloke sucks they wont be keen to stay. |
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Freathy
Posts : 7194 Join date : 2011-05-12
| Subject: Re: January Transfer Window Thu Jan 04, 2024 6:54 pm | |
| 4 days into the window and two key players gone already. Expect it to get a whole lot worse yet. |
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Grovehill
Posts : 2277 Join date : 2012-01-24
| Subject: Re: January Transfer Window Thu Jan 04, 2024 7:00 pm | |
| - Angry wrote:
- Grovehill wrote:
- Or you could look at it another way and say "We've had a couple of £million + players for half a season just for paying part of their wages. Now we can get another 2 or 3"
Anyway, what's the point in going on about Azaz? Unlike Morgan Whittaker he doesn't actually want to play for us-unless he turns down all the Clubs that are after him and comes back to Home Park! what makes you think he didnt want to play for us? it was his club that accepted a bid for him and recalled him we didnt make an offer for him so i would say in his eyes we didnt want him. We can worry about Mumba and Whittaker in the summer cause if we go down they wont be hanging around and if the new bloke sucks they wont be keen to stay. Why do I think he doesn't want to play for us? Well the fact that he's fecked off back to the Midlands is a bit of a clue. He could have told Villa that he was happy at Home Park and wouldn't sign for anyone else. |
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| Subject: Re: January Transfer Window Thu Jan 04, 2024 7:04 pm | |
| - Grovehill wrote:
- Angry wrote:
- Grovehill wrote:
- Or you could look at it another way and say "We've had a couple of £million + players for half a season just for paying part of their wages. Now we can get another 2 or 3"
Anyway, what's the point in going on about Azaz? Unlike Morgan Whittaker he doesn't actually want to play for us-unless he turns down all the Clubs that are after him and comes back to Home Park! what makes you think he didnt want to play for us? it was his club that accepted a bid for him and recalled him we didnt make an offer for him so i would say in his eyes we didnt want him. We can worry about Mumba and Whittaker in the summer cause if we go down they wont be hanging around and if the new bloke sucks they wont be keen to stay.
Why do I think he doesn't want to play for us? Well the fact that he's fecked off back to the Midlands is a bit of a clue. He could have told Villa that he was happy at Home Park and wouldn't sign for anyone else. well he isnt our player he is an aston villa player and if they recall him he cant very well refuse can he?? If our club refuses to bid for him or tried at least to keep him with a bid which they didnt what right have we as fans to even start that crap your spouting about him wanting out. If he turned down our contract offer for middlesbrough thats another story but we didnt even get to that stage. |
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Grovehill
Posts : 2277 Join date : 2012-01-24
| Subject: Re: January Transfer Window Thu Jan 04, 2024 7:13 pm | |
| - Freathy wrote:
- 4 days into the window and two key players gone already. Expect it to get a whole lot worse yet.
So how would you go about getting players in? Ring their club and say: "You've got a midfielder we quite like the look of, can we take him on loan to get a better look? We will pay half his wages, you have to guarantee we keep him for a full season (unless he gets injured or is shyte, in which case we send him straight back.) If we like him at the end of the season we will give you half what anyone else will pay. If we don't like him you can have him back but musn't sell him to any of our rivals or any of our ex managers" |
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Grovehill
Posts : 2277 Join date : 2012-01-24
| Subject: Re: January Transfer Window Thu Jan 04, 2024 7:17 pm | |
| - Angry wrote:
- Grovehill wrote:
- Angry wrote:
- Grovehill wrote:
- Or you could look at it another way and say "We've had a couple of £million + players for half a season just for paying part of their wages. Now we can get another 2 or 3"
Anyway, what's the point in going on about Azaz? Unlike Morgan Whittaker he doesn't actually want to play for us-unless he turns down all the Clubs that are after him and comes back to Home Park! what makes you think he didnt want to play for us? it was his club that accepted a bid for him and recalled him we didnt make an offer for him so i would say in his eyes we didnt want him. We can worry about Mumba and Whittaker in the summer cause if we go down they wont be hanging around and if the new bloke sucks they wont be keen to stay.
Why do I think he doesn't want to play for us? Well the fact that he's fecked off back to the Midlands is a bit of a clue. He could have told Villa that he was happy at Home Park and wouldn't sign for anyone else. well he isnt our player he is an aston villa player and if they recall him he cant very well refuse can he?? If our club refuses to bid for him or tried at least to keep him with a bid which they didnt what right have we as fans to even start that crap your spouting about him wanting out. If he turned down our contract offer for middlesbrough thats another story but we didnt even get to that stage. I heard he declined to sign a permanent deal with us at the start of the season. If he wants to play for us, he is free to refuse to sign for another Club. |
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Guest Guest
| Subject: Re: January Transfer Window Thu Jan 04, 2024 7:19 pm | |
| - Grovehill wrote:
- Angry wrote:
- Grovehill wrote:
- Angry wrote:
- Grovehill wrote:
- Or you could look at it another way and say "We've had a couple of £million + players for half a season just for paying part of their wages. Now we can get another 2 or 3"
Anyway, what's the point in going on about Azaz? Unlike Morgan Whittaker he doesn't actually want to play for us-unless he turns down all the Clubs that are after him and comes back to Home Park! what makes you think he didnt want to play for us? it was his club that accepted a bid for him and recalled him we didnt make an offer for him so i would say in his eyes we didnt want him. We can worry about Mumba and Whittaker in the summer cause if we go down they wont be hanging around and if the new bloke sucks they wont be keen to stay.
Why do I think he doesn't want to play for us? Well the fact that he's fecked off back to the Midlands is a bit of a clue. He could have told Villa that he was happy at Home Park and wouldn't sign for anyone else. well he isnt our player he is an aston villa player and if they recall him he cant very well refuse can he?? If our club refuses to bid for him or tried at least to keep him with a bid which they didnt what right have we as fans to even start that crap your spouting about him wanting out. If he turned down our contract offer for middlesbrough thats another story but we didnt even get to that stage.
I heard he declined to sign a permanent deal with us at the start of the season. If he wants to play for us, he is free to refuse to sign for another Club. bollocks to that made up rumour. pp heard one that he was set to sign for us last week |
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Greenskin
Posts : 6220 Join date : 2011-05-16 Age : 64 Location : Tavistock area
| Subject: Re: January Transfer Window Thu Jan 04, 2024 7:24 pm | |
| - Grovehill wrote:
- Angry wrote:
- Grovehill wrote:
- Or you could look at it another way and say "We've had a couple of £million + players for half a season just for paying part of their wages. Now we can get another 2 or 3"
Anyway, what's the point in going on about Azaz? Unlike Morgan Whittaker he doesn't actually want to play for us-unless he turns down all the Clubs that are after him and comes back to Home Park! what makes you think he didnt want to play for us? it was his club that accepted a bid for him and recalled him we didnt make an offer for him so i would say in his eyes we didnt want him. We can worry about Mumba and Whittaker in the summer cause if we go down they wont be hanging around and if the new bloke sucks they wont be keen to stay.
Why do I think he doesn't want to play for us? Well the fact that he's fecked off back to the Midlands is a bit of a clue. He could have told Villa that he was happy at Home Park and wouldn't sign for anyone else. Whittaker badly wanted to stay last year but had no choice in the matter. I heard from a reliable source [also told me about Mumba and Whittaker signing permanently weeks before the events happened] about 6 weeks ago that Azaz was very happy at Home park and Argyle were prepared to pay another £1m fee to make it happen, which was why PP's post regarding a permanent signing last week came as no surprise. Presumably his form in the interim has pushed the asking price beyond the reach of Argyle, sad but inevitable under the present financial regime. |
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Guest Guest
| Subject: Re: January Transfer Window Thu Jan 04, 2024 7:34 pm | |
| - Greenskin wrote:
- Grovehill wrote:
- Angry wrote:
- Grovehill wrote:
- Or you could look at it another way and say "We've had a couple of £million + players for half a season just for paying part of their wages. Now we can get another 2 or 3"
Anyway, what's the point in going on about Azaz? Unlike Morgan Whittaker he doesn't actually want to play for us-unless he turns down all the Clubs that are after him and comes back to Home Park! what makes you think he didnt want to play for us? it was his club that accepted a bid for him and recalled him we didnt make an offer for him so i would say in his eyes we didnt want him. We can worry about Mumba and Whittaker in the summer cause if we go down they wont be hanging around and if the new bloke sucks they wont be keen to stay.
Why do I think he doesn't want to play for us? Well the fact that he's fecked off back to the Midlands is a bit of a clue. He could have told Villa that he was happy at Home Park and wouldn't sign for anyone else. Whittaker badly wanted to stay last year but had no choice in the matter. I heard from a reliable source [also told me about Mumba and Whittaker signing permanently weeks before the events happened] about 6 weeks ago that Azaz was very happy at Home park and Argyle were prepared to pay another £1m fee to make it happen, which was why PP's post regarding a permanent signing last week came as no surprise. Presumably his form in the interim has pushed the asking price beyond the reach of Argyle, sad but inevitable under the present financial regime. i feel this was an occasion here hallet should have stepped in and helped the bid by funding the difference and he would have had justification due to his form and pressence in the team. £2m is small potatoes in this league and Azaz wont be that cheap again. |
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Freathy
Posts : 7194 Join date : 2011-05-12
| Subject: Re: January Transfer Window Thu Jan 04, 2024 7:44 pm | |
| - Angry wrote:
- Greenskin wrote:
- Grovehill wrote:
- Angry wrote:
- Grovehill wrote:
- Or you could look at it another way and say "We've had a couple of £million + players for half a season just for paying part of their wages. Now we can get another 2 or 3"
Anyway, what's the point in going on about Azaz? Unlike Morgan Whittaker he doesn't actually want to play for us-unless he turns down all the Clubs that are after him and comes back to Home Park! what makes you think he didnt want to play for us? it was his club that accepted a bid for him and recalled him we didnt make an offer for him so i would say in his eyes we didnt want him. We can worry about Mumba and Whittaker in the summer cause if we go down they wont be hanging around and if the new bloke sucks they wont be keen to stay.
Why do I think he doesn't want to play for us? Well the fact that he's fecked off back to the Midlands is a bit of a clue. He could have told Villa that he was happy at Home Park and wouldn't sign for anyone else. Whittaker badly wanted to stay last year but had no choice in the matter. I heard from a reliable source [also told me about Mumba and Whittaker signing permanently weeks before the events happened] about 6 weeks ago that Azaz was very happy at Home park and Argyle were prepared to pay another £1m fee to make it happen, which was why PP's post regarding a permanent signing last week came as no surprise. Presumably his form in the interim has pushed the asking price beyond the reach of Argyle, sad but inevitable under the present financial regime. i feel this was an occasion here hallet should have stepped in and helped the bid by funding the difference and he would have had justification due to his form and pressence in the team. £2m is small potatoes in this league and Azaz wont be that cheap again. Hallett should have used the schumacher money and took a gamble with the balance based on increased TV money next season. Signing Azaz could have kept us up. |
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Guest Guest
| Subject: Re: January Transfer Window Thu Jan 04, 2024 8:26 pm | |
| - Freathy wrote:
- Angry wrote:
- Greenskin wrote:
- Grovehill wrote:
- Angry wrote:
- Grovehill wrote:
- Or you could look at it another way and say "We've had a couple of £million + players for half a season just for paying part of their wages. Now we can get another 2 or 3"
Anyway, what's the point in going on about Azaz? Unlike Morgan Whittaker he doesn't actually want to play for us-unless he turns down all the Clubs that are after him and comes back to Home Park! what makes you think he didnt want to play for us? it was his club that accepted a bid for him and recalled him we didnt make an offer for him so i would say in his eyes we didnt want him. We can worry about Mumba and Whittaker in the summer cause if we go down they wont be hanging around and if the new bloke sucks they wont be keen to stay.
Why do I think he doesn't want to play for us? Well the fact that he's fecked off back to the Midlands is a bit of a clue. He could have told Villa that he was happy at Home Park and wouldn't sign for anyone else. Whittaker badly wanted to stay last year but had no choice in the matter. I heard from a reliable source [also told me about Mumba and Whittaker signing permanently weeks before the events happened] about 6 weeks ago that Azaz was very happy at Home park and Argyle were prepared to pay another £1m fee to make it happen, which was why PP's post regarding a permanent signing last week came as no surprise. Presumably his form in the interim has pushed the asking price beyond the reach of Argyle, sad but inevitable under the present financial regime. i feel this was an occasion here hallet should have stepped in and helped the bid by funding the difference and he would have had justification due to his form and pressence in the team. £2m is small potatoes in this league and Azaz wont be that cheap again. Hallett should have used the schumacher money and took a gamble with the balance based on increased TV money next season. Signing Azaz could have kept us up. catch 22 there though freathy, if he did that fans would be upset he used all tht money whatever it was cant imagine it was anything above £1m even for all four of those who left when we needed a striker and defender too and if come feb we are struggling fans will be more vocal about hallet not spending more to secure azaz. |
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Grovehill
Posts : 2277 Join date : 2012-01-24
| Subject: Re: January Transfer Window Thu Jan 04, 2024 8:50 pm | |
| Nat Philips Isaac Hayden and Adama Lookman all rumoured to be available for loan in this window.
Perhaps IF will get them in-no one would moan about loan transfers then! |
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Guest Guest
| Subject: Re: January Transfer Window Thu Jan 04, 2024 9:06 pm | |
| - Grovehill wrote:
- Nat Philips Isaac Hayden and Adama Lookman all rumoured to be available for loan in this window.
Perhaps IF will get them in-no one would moan about loan transfers then! till the summer when most janners will be going on about re signing them. |
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Greenskin
Posts : 6220 Join date : 2011-05-16 Age : 64 Location : Tavistock area
| Subject: Re: January Transfer Window Fri Jan 05, 2024 2:24 pm | |
| Cundle staying apparently |
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| Subject: Re: January Transfer Window Fri Jan 05, 2024 2:38 pm | |
| - Greenskin wrote:
- Cundle staying apparently
great hopefully that stays the case till february but make sure he plays tomorrow to cup tie him just to make it a bit more sure and kesler hayden also. |
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RegGreen
Posts : 5994 Join date : 2015-07-08
| Subject: Re: January Transfer Window Fri Jan 05, 2024 6:12 pm | |
| - Angry wrote:
- Greenskin wrote:
- Cundle staying apparently
great hopefully that stays the case till february but make sure he plays tomorrow to cup tie him just to make it a bit more sure and kesler hayden also. don’t think he is just Plymouth live link in final discussions for 1.5 million move to stoke with Schumacher apparently they reckon it’s nearly a done deal |
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Freathy
Posts : 7194 Join date : 2011-05-12
| Subject: Re: January Transfer Window Fri Jan 05, 2024 6:53 pm | |
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| Subject: Re: January Transfer Window Fri Jan 05, 2024 7:55 pm | |
| - RegGreen wrote:
- Angry wrote:
- Greenskin wrote:
- Cundle staying apparently
great hopefully that stays the case till february but make sure he plays tomorrow to cup tie him just to make it a bit more sure and kesler hayden also. don’t think he is just Plymouth live link in final discussions for 1.5 million move to stoke with Schumacher apparently they reckon it’s nearly a done deal dewsnip obviously either got told lies by wolves or lied to the media. we'll find out tomorrow. |
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Tgwu
Posts : 14773 Join date : 2011-12-11 Location : Central Park (most days)
| Subject: Re: January Transfer Window Fri Jan 05, 2024 8:45 pm | |
| Schumacher nears ideal Stoke deal as £1.5m Cundle reunion moves swiftly towards completion |
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Graiser
Posts : 510 Join date : 2023-01-01
| Subject: Re: January Transfer Window Fri Jan 05, 2024 9:35 pm | |
| - Angry wrote:
- Freathy wrote:
- Angry wrote:
- Greenskin wrote:
- Grovehill wrote:
- Angry wrote:
- Grovehill wrote:
- Or you could look at it another way and say "We've had a couple of £million + players for half a season just for paying part of their wages. Now we can get another 2 or 3"
Anyway, what's the point in going on about Azaz? Unlike Morgan Whittaker he doesn't actually want to play for us-unless he turns down all the Clubs that are after him and comes back to Home Park! what makes you think he didnt want to play for us? it was his club that accepted a bid for him and recalled him we didnt make an offer for him so i would say in his eyes we didnt want him. We can worry about Mumba and Whittaker in the summer cause if we go down they wont be hanging around and if the new bloke sucks they wont be keen to stay.
Why do I think he doesn't want to play for us? Well the fact that he's fecked off back to the Midlands is a bit of a clue. He could have told Villa that he was happy at Home Park and wouldn't sign for anyone else. Whittaker badly wanted to stay last year but had no choice in the matter. I heard from a reliable source [also told me about Mumba and Whittaker signing permanently weeks before the events happened] about 6 weeks ago that Azaz was very happy at Home park and Argyle were prepared to pay another £1m fee to make it happen, which was why PP's post regarding a permanent signing last week came as no surprise. Presumably his form in the interim has pushed the asking price beyond the reach of Argyle, sad but inevitable under the present financial regime. i feel this was an occasion here hallet should have stepped in and helped the bid by funding the difference and he would have had justification due to his form and pressence in the team. £2m is small potatoes in this league and Azaz wont be that cheap again. Hallett should have used the schumacher money and took a gamble with the balance based on increased TV money next season. Signing Azaz could have kept us up. catch 22 there though freathy, if he did that fans would be upset he used all tht money whatever it was cant imagine it was anything above £1m even for all four of those who left when we needed a striker and defender too and if come feb we are struggling fans will be more vocal about hallet not spending more to secure azaz.
Not just the fee though is it, I would guess his salary would be out of our structure |
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Guest Guest
| Subject: Re: January Transfer Window Fri Jan 05, 2024 9:41 pm | |
| - Graiser wrote:
- Angry wrote:
- Freathy wrote:
- Angry wrote:
- Greenskin wrote:
- Grovehill wrote:
- Angry wrote:
- Grovehill wrote:
- Or you could look at it another way and say "We've had a couple of £million + players for half a season just for paying part of their wages. Now we can get another 2 or 3"
Anyway, what's the point in going on about Azaz? Unlike Morgan Whittaker he doesn't actually want to play for us-unless he turns down all the Clubs that are after him and comes back to Home Park! what makes you think he didnt want to play for us? it was his club that accepted a bid for him and recalled him we didnt make an offer for him so i would say in his eyes we didnt want him. We can worry about Mumba and Whittaker in the summer cause if we go down they wont be hanging around and if the new bloke sucks they wont be keen to stay.
Why do I think he doesn't want to play for us? Well the fact that he's fecked off back to the Midlands is a bit of a clue. He could have told Villa that he was happy at Home Park and wouldn't sign for anyone else. Whittaker badly wanted to stay last year but had no choice in the matter. I heard from a reliable source [also told me about Mumba and Whittaker signing permanently weeks before the events happened] about 6 weeks ago that Azaz was very happy at Home park and Argyle were prepared to pay another £1m fee to make it happen, which was why PP's post regarding a permanent signing last week came as no surprise. Presumably his form in the interim has pushed the asking price beyond the reach of Argyle, sad but inevitable under the present financial regime. i feel this was an occasion here hallet should have stepped in and helped the bid by funding the difference and he would have had justification due to his form and pressence in the team. £2m is small potatoes in this league and Azaz wont be that cheap again. Hallett should have used the schumacher money and took a gamble with the balance based on increased TV money next season. Signing Azaz could have kept us up. catch 22 there though freathy, if he did that fans would be upset he used all tht money whatever it was cant imagine it was anything above £1m even for all four of those who left when we needed a striker and defender too and if come feb we are struggling fans will be more vocal about hallet not spending more to secure azaz.
Not just the fee though is it, I would guess his salary would be out of our structure they were paying the lion share of his salary (£6000 p/w) |
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Graiser
Posts : 510 Join date : 2023-01-01
| Subject: Re: January Transfer Window Fri Jan 05, 2024 9:46 pm | |
| - Angry wrote:
- Graiser wrote:
- Angry wrote:
- Freathy wrote:
- Angry wrote:
- Greenskin wrote:
- Grovehill wrote:
- Angry wrote:
- Grovehill wrote:
- Or you could look at it another way and say "We've had a couple of £million + players for half a season just for paying part of their wages. Now we can get another 2 or 3"
Anyway, what's the point in going on about Azaz? Unlike Morgan Whittaker he doesn't actually want to play for us-unless he turns down all the Clubs that are after him and comes back to Home Park! what makes you think he didnt want to play for us? it was his club that accepted a bid for him and recalled him we didnt make an offer for him so i would say in his eyes we didnt want him. We can worry about Mumba and Whittaker in the summer cause if we go down they wont be hanging around and if the new bloke sucks they wont be keen to stay.
Why do I think he doesn't want to play for us? Well the fact that he's fecked off back to the Midlands is a bit of a clue. He could have told Villa that he was happy at Home Park and wouldn't sign for anyone else. Whittaker badly wanted to stay last year but had no choice in the matter. I heard from a reliable source [also told me about Mumba and Whittaker signing permanently weeks before the events happened] about 6 weeks ago that Azaz was very happy at Home park and Argyle were prepared to pay another £1m fee to make it happen, which was why PP's post regarding a permanent signing last week came as no surprise. Presumably his form in the interim has pushed the asking price beyond the reach of Argyle, sad but inevitable under the present financial regime. i feel this was an occasion here hallet should have stepped in and helped the bid by funding the difference and he would have had justification due to his form and pressence in the team. £2m is small potatoes in this league and Azaz wont be that cheap again. Hallett should have used the schumacher money and took a gamble with the balance based on increased TV money next season. Signing Azaz could have kept us up. catch 22 there though freathy, if he did that fans would be upset he used all tht money whatever it was cant imagine it was anything above £1m even for all four of those who left when we needed a striker and defender too and if come feb we are struggling fans will be more vocal about hallet not spending more to secure azaz.
Not just the fee though is it, I would guess his salary would be out of our structure they were paying the lion share of his salary (£6000 p/w) I meant the salary being offered by Middleborough |
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Guest Guest
| Subject: Re: January Transfer Window Sun Jan 07, 2024 8:32 pm | |
| Cundle returns to Wolves
So it Looks like Dewsnip was feed BS by Wolves on friday. why are we not trying to sign him or our we too skint and putting all our resources into the womens new training centre at the brickfields.....
ffs this month cant end soon enough for us. Once again i truly hope with the clubs huge gamble the took in hiring foster that they are going to strengthen the squad tenfold before february 1st or we are in trouble and this guy is on a hiding to nothing from the start.
so far on the shopping list of positions that need to be replaced as a matter of importance
2 defenders (1 if gilesphrey ends up staying) 3 midfielders to replace Azaz, Cudle and Warrington 1 striker caise waine isnt good enough atm and bundu is more of a winger
so thats 5-6 signings with 4 loan spots to use up which its a given that they will be.
who do i see linked with us on the social media sites a goalkeeper and a defender from oxford utd!!!!!
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Freathy
Posts : 7194 Join date : 2011-05-12
| Subject: Re: January Transfer Window Sun Jan 07, 2024 8:44 pm | |
| - Angry wrote:
- Cundle has been recalled.
we are we not trying to sign him or our we too skint and putting all our resources into the womens new training centre at the brickfields.....
ffs this month cant end soon enough for us. Once again i truly hope with the clubs huge gamble the took in hiring foster that they are going to strengthen the squad tenfold before february 1st or we are in trouble.
I was amazed he played yesterday tbh. Clearly no attempt was made by hallett to put up the cash to sign him the same as Azaz. We better get similar to or better than Azaz and Cundle this window or hallett is becoming a big liability. |
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