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PostSubject: Re: January Transfer Window   January Transfer Window - Page 2 EmptyWed Jan 03, 2024 6:30 pm

Very poor planning if Argyle didn't agree a fee to turn Azaz's loan into a permanent deal back when he rejoined us.

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PostSubject: Re: January Transfer Window   January Transfer Window - Page 2 EmptyWed Jan 03, 2024 6:33 pm

Tgwu wrote:
Plymouth's left-sided centre-back Macaulay Gillesphey has been spotted at The Valley today.
close to a deal for the 2l8-year-old.

Charlton Athletic are poised to beat another League One side to the signature of defender Macaulay Gillesphey, according to the Sunday Mirror.

The Addicks want to make additions in this month’s transfer window and the Plymouth Argyle defender has emerged as a target.
Gillesphey has played just four times in the Championship for Plymouth so far this season; he made 35 appearances in League One last term as Argyle won promotion.



Anyone at Charlton that we should be looking at as part of the deal?
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PostSubject: Re: January Transfer Window   January Transfer Window - Page 2 EmptyWed Jan 03, 2024 6:39 pm

Grovehill wrote:
Very poor planning if Argyle didn't agree a fee to turn Azaz's loan into a permanent deal back when he rejoined us.


should have done your right even if any future deal in the summer 24 was dependant on us staying in the championship the club should have gone for it. Hallett does indeed need to start thinking about bringing in investors/ buyers as if £2m is seen as too much money in the championship he is going to go the way of staplewallet and friends and i would rather we didnt repeat history.
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PostSubject: Re: January Transfer Window   January Transfer Window - Page 2 EmptyWed Jan 03, 2024 6:53 pm

We just need to remember that no player is irreplaceable.

Azaz missed three months of last season with an ankle injury and MW was recalled by his Club in January.

And didn't someone on here get very upset when Camara was allowed to join Ipswich?
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PostSubject: Re: January Transfer Window   January Transfer Window - Page 2 EmptyWed Jan 03, 2024 7:17 pm

Grovehill wrote:
We just need to remember that no player is irreplaceable.

Azaz missed three months of last season with an ankle injury and MW was recalled by his Club in January.

And didn't someone on here get very upset when Camara was allowed to join Ipswich?

if the new guy brings in a good replacement it would ease the disappointment but it stands as a lesson again that gets ignored by the club that we cant be relying heavily on loanees like we did in the dark days of the reluctant one in this league if we dont use common sense to protect the team during a season from recalls.

So we will have 4 loan spots to use up as Warrington will be sent back as he is injured and not playing either which i guess the club will use all 4 up and no perm signings coming in despite us needing 1 or 2 more on top of those 4 coming in.

oh the joys of january and what a welcome to the firm for the new boss that one of the best players in the team has left cause the his new bosses are too skint to pay £2m plus in the championship to make his deal perm

edited to add

its confirmed Finn has been recalled by Aston Villa and has left the club.

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PostSubject: Re: January Transfer Window   January Transfer Window - Page 2 EmptyWed Jan 03, 2024 7:26 pm

Managerless, no signings, best players being taken at will by championship rivals -Morgan will be next out the door. 5 year plan my arse! Who's going Exeter?
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PostSubject: Re: January Transfer Window   January Transfer Window - Page 2 EmptyWed Jan 03, 2024 7:38 pm

Freathy wrote:
Managerless, no signings, best players being taken at will by championship rivals -Morgan will be next out the door.  5 year plan my arse! Who's going Exeter?


lol! lol!
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PostSubject: Re: January Transfer Window   January Transfer Window - Page 2 EmptyWed Jan 03, 2024 7:48 pm

Angry wrote:
Grovehill wrote:
We just need to remember that no player is irreplaceable.

Azaz missed three months of last season with an ankle injury and MW was recalled by his Club in January.

And didn't someone on here get very upset when Camara was allowed to join Ipswich?

if the new guy brings in a good replacement it would ease the disappointment but it stands as a lesson again that gets ignored by the club that we cant be relying heavily on loanees like we did in the dark days of the reluctant one in this league if we dont use common sense to protect the team during a season from recalls.

So we will have 4 loan spots to use up as Warrington will be sent back as he is injured and not playing either which i guess the club will use all 4 up and no perm signings coming in despite us needing 1 or 2 more on top of those 4 coming in.

oh the joys of january and what a welcome to the firm for the new boss that one of the best players in the team has left cause the his new bosses are too skint to pay £2m plus in the championship to make his deal perm

edited to add

its confirmed Finn has been recalled by Aston Villa and has left the club.


Angers, it’s the loan players and the loan system that has been instrumental in our journey from League 2 to the Championship. The reason we loan these players from bigger clubs is because we wouldn’t be able to simply buy them.

Very few teams have utilised the loan system better than Argyle in recent years.
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PostSubject: Re: January Transfer Window   January Transfer Window - Page 2 EmptyWed Jan 03, 2024 8:03 pm

Czarcasm wrote:
Angry wrote:
Grovehill wrote:
We just need to remember that no player is irreplaceable.

Azaz missed three months of last season with an ankle injury and MW was recalled by his Club in January.

And didn't someone on here get very upset when Camara was allowed to join Ipswich?

if the new guy brings in a good replacement it would ease the disappointment but it stands as a lesson again that gets ignored by the club that we cant be relying heavily on loanees like we did in the dark days of the reluctant one in this league if we dont use common sense to protect the team during a season from recalls.

So we will have 4 loan spots to use up as Warrington will be sent back as he is injured and not playing either which i guess the club will use all 4 up and no perm signings coming in despite us needing 1 or 2 more on top of those 4 coming in.

oh the joys of january and what a welcome to the firm for the new boss that one of the best players in the team has left cause the his new bosses are too skint to pay £2m plus in the championship to make his deal perm

edited to add

its confirmed Finn has been recalled by Aston Villa and has left the club.


Angers, it’s the loan players and the loan system that has been instrumental in our journey from League 2 to the Championship. The reason we loan these players from bigger clubs is because we wouldn’t be able to simply buy them.

Very few teams gave utilised the loan system better than Argyle in recent years.


and its also screwed the club over many times in the past also when good players on loan either get recalled early or sold on to another club when we need them cause we built a team around temp options which is not a good idea, if we want to be a feeder club for premiership championship clubs we may aswell have stayed in leagues one and two where the ambition matches the environment. When we have to rely on the loan system heavily as we do then the culture and the finances need to be improved and that wont come from £11m spent on a home for the womens team. loan signings have their uses of course but they should not be the cheap option nor seen as anything more than a temp option.
Simon is at a crossroads now in his premiership the club needs to make more moeny and he either has to invest more of his money, sell a percentage to investor(S) who actually invest money into the club or sell up and not repeat the mistakes staplewallet made when he refused to accept he couldnt fund a championship team and look how that ended.
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PostSubject: Re: January Transfer Window   January Transfer Window - Page 2 EmptyWed Jan 03, 2024 8:06 pm

Angry wrote:
Czarcasm wrote:
Angry wrote:
Grovehill wrote:
We just need to remember that no player is irreplaceable.

Azaz missed three months of last season with an ankle injury and MW was recalled by his Club in January.

And didn't someone on here get very upset when Camara was allowed to join Ipswich?

if the new guy brings in a good replacement it would ease the disappointment but it stands as a lesson again that gets ignored by the club that we cant be relying heavily on loanees like we did in the dark days of the reluctant one in this league if we dont use common sense to protect the team during a season from recalls.

So we will have 4 loan spots to use up as Warrington will be sent back as he is injured and not playing either which i guess the club will use all 4 up and no perm signings coming in despite us needing 1 or 2 more on top of those 4 coming in.

oh the joys of january and what a welcome to the firm for the new boss that one of the best players in the team has left cause the his new bosses are too skint to pay £2m plus in the championship to make his deal perm

edited to add

its confirmed Finn has been recalled by Aston Villa and has left the club.


Angers, it’s the loan players and the loan system that has been instrumental in our journey from League 2 to the Championship. The reason we loan these players from bigger clubs is because we wouldn’t be able to simply buy them.

Very few teams gave utilised the loan system better than Argyle in recent years.


and its also screwed the club over many times in the past also when good players on loan either get recalled early or sold on to another club when we need them cause we built a team around temp options which is not a good idea, if we want to be a feeder club for premiership championship clubs we may aswell have stayed in leagues one and two where the ambition matches the environment. When we have to rely on the loan system heavily as we do then the culture and the finances need to be improved and that wont come from £11m spent on a home for the womens team.  loan signings have their uses of course but they should not be the cheap option nor seen as anything more than a temp option.
Simon is at a crossroads now in his premiership the club needs to make more moeny and he either has to invest more of his money, sell a percentage to investor(S) who actually invest money into the club or sell up and not repeat the mistakes staplewallet made when he refused to accept he couldnt fund a championship team and look how that ended.

Hallett’s actively searching for new investment. Actively.

I know there are a couple of thicko’s on here that haven’t grasped that. But that’s where we are.



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PostSubject: Re: January Transfer Window   January Transfer Window - Page 2 EmptyWed Jan 03, 2024 8:22 pm

Czarcasm wrote:
Angry wrote:
Czarcasm wrote:
Angry wrote:
Grovehill wrote:
We just need to remember that no player is irreplaceable.

Azaz missed three months of last season with an ankle injury and MW was recalled by his Club in January.

And didn't someone on here get very upset when Camara was allowed to join Ipswich?

if the new guy brings in a good replacement it would ease the disappointment but it stands as a lesson again that gets ignored by the club that we cant be relying heavily on loanees like we did in the dark days of the reluctant one in this league if we dont use common sense to protect the team during a season from recalls.

So we will have 4 loan spots to use up as Warrington will be sent back as he is injured and not playing either which i guess the club will use all 4 up and no perm signings coming in despite us needing 1 or 2 more on top of those 4 coming in.

oh the joys of january and what a welcome to the firm for the new boss that one of the best players in the team has left cause the his new bosses are too skint to pay £2m plus in the championship to make his deal perm

edited to add

its confirmed Finn has been recalled by Aston Villa and has left the club.


Angers, it’s the loan players and the loan system that has been instrumental in our journey from League 2 to the Championship. The reason we loan these players from bigger clubs is because we wouldn’t be able to simply buy them.

Very few teams gave utilised the loan system better than Argyle in recent years.


and its also screwed the club over many times in the past also when good players on loan either get recalled early or sold on to another club when we need them cause we built a team around temp options which is not a good idea, if we want to be a feeder club for premiership championship clubs we may aswell have stayed in leagues one and two where the ambition matches the environment. When we have to rely on the loan system heavily as we do then the culture and the finances need to be improved and that wont come from £11m spent on a home for the womens team.  loan signings have their uses of course but they should not be the cheap option nor seen as anything more than a temp option.
Simon is at a crossroads now in his premiership the club needs to make more moeny and he either has to invest more of his money, sell a percentage to investor(S) who actually invest money into the club or sell up and not repeat the mistakes staplewallet made when he refused to accept he couldnt fund a championship team and look how that ended.

Hallett’s actively searching for new investment. Actively.

I know there are a couple of thicko’s on here that haven’t grasped that. But that’s where we are.




what kind is he searching for though as he did have some that he quickly bought out when it became clear they clashed on what to invest in concerning the club. I guess only time will tell on that one.
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PostSubject: Re: January Transfer Window   January Transfer Window - Page 2 EmptyWed Jan 03, 2024 8:29 pm

Angry wrote:
Czarcasm wrote:
Angry wrote:
Czarcasm wrote:
Angry wrote:
Grovehill wrote:
We just need to remember that no player is irreplaceable.

Azaz missed three months of last season with an ankle injury and MW was recalled by his Club in January.

And didn't someone on here get very upset when Camara was allowed to join Ipswich?

if the new guy brings in a good replacement it would ease the disappointment but it stands as a lesson again that gets ignored by the club that we cant be relying heavily on loanees like we did in the dark days of the reluctant one in this league if we dont use common sense to protect the team during a season from recalls.

So we will have 4 loan spots to use up as Warrington will be sent back as he is injured and not playing either which i guess the club will use all 4 up and no perm signings coming in despite us needing 1 or 2 more on top of those 4 coming in.

oh the joys of january and what a welcome to the firm for the new boss that one of the best players in the team has left cause the his new bosses are too skint to pay £2m plus in the championship to make his deal perm

edited to add

its confirmed Finn has been recalled by Aston Villa and has left the club.


Angers, it’s the loan players and the loan system that has been instrumental in our journey from League 2 to the Championship. The reason we loan these players from bigger clubs is because we wouldn’t be able to simply buy them.

Very few teams gave utilised the loan system better than Argyle in recent years.


and its also screwed the club over many times in the past also when good players on loan either get recalled early or sold on to another club when we need them cause we built a team around temp options which is not a good idea, if we want to be a feeder club for premiership championship clubs we may aswell have stayed in leagues one and two where the ambition matches the environment. When we have to rely on the loan system heavily as we do then the culture and the finances need to be improved and that wont come from £11m spent on a home for the womens team.  loan signings have their uses of course but they should not be the cheap option nor seen as anything more than a temp option.
Simon is at a crossroads now in his premiership the club needs to make more moeny and he either has to invest more of his money, sell a percentage to investor(S) who actually invest money into the club or sell up and not repeat the mistakes staplewallet made when he refused to accept he couldnt fund a championship team and look how that ended.

Hallett’s actively searching for new investment. Actively.

I know there are a couple of thicko’s on here that haven’t grasped that. But that’s where we are.




what kind is he searching for though as he did have some that he quickly bought out when it became clear they clashed on what to invest in concerning the club. I guess only time will tell on that one.

I’d guess he’s looking for people who have the financial clout to put in the sort of personal amounts to keep team’s competitive, that other Championship owners/benefactors are putting in - around 10-15 million a year.

I’m also guessing those type of money men don’t grow on trees.
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PostSubject: Re: January Transfer Window   January Transfer Window - Page 2 EmptyWed Jan 03, 2024 8:35 pm

Rather amusing to read the hand wringing in some other quarters about the lack of capacity at HP and the resulting financial handicap imposed on the club now it moves in higher circles, which seems to be very much a 360 degree turn from opinions previously expressed especially under earlier regimes.

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PostSubject: Re: January Transfer Window   January Transfer Window - Page 2 EmptyWed Jan 03, 2024 8:36 pm

History tends to repeat itself.

Lowe had Ryan Broom on loan, lots of fans thought it was a mistake that we didn't sign him.

Then we has Azaz on loan, again fans are upset because we didn't sign him.

We will get someone better in on loan, he will leave, fans will get upset..............
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PostSubject: Re: January Transfer Window   January Transfer Window - Page 2 EmptyWed Jan 03, 2024 8:44 pm

Greenskin wrote:
Rather amusing to read the hand wringing in some other quarters about the lack of capacity at HP and the resulting financial handicap imposed on the club now it moves in higher circles, which seems to be very much a 360 degree turn from opinions previously expressed especially under earlier regimes.



someone keep an eye on nool's and plebbs stance on that see if they still believe a cheaper, smaller and shitter grandstand mankover that they backed along with their cronies was a good idea.
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PostSubject: Re: January Transfer Window   January Transfer Window - Page 2 EmptyWed Jan 03, 2024 8:47 pm

Grovehill wrote:
History tends to repeat itself.

Lowe had Ryan Broom on loan, lots of fans thought it was a mistake that we didn't sign him.

Then we has Azaz on loan, again fans are upset because we didn't sign him.

We will get someone better in on loan, he will leave, fans will get upset..............

broom was only good for that 3 months mayor was out of the team then he wen quiet and wasnt really in the side towards the end, i dont think there were many demanding he was sign by then certainly during his purple patch they did.

Azaz has consistently been a good player for us both scoring and creating goals that wont be easy to replace.
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PostSubject: Re: January Transfer Window   January Transfer Window - Page 2 EmptyWed Jan 03, 2024 9:40 pm

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Very poor planning if Argyle didn't agree a fee to turn Azaz's loan into a permanent deal back when he rejoined us.

that was the rumour that was going about year on loan & a permanent at the end of but clearly not and at the time villa would have taken peanuts for him at the time i think just wanted him off the books …hopefully it’s a lesson learnt for sigh & the board
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PostSubject: Re: January Transfer Window   January Transfer Window - Page 2 EmptyWed Jan 03, 2024 10:00 pm

RegGreen wrote:
Grovehill wrote:
Very poor planning if Argyle didn't agree a fee to turn Azaz's loan into a permanent deal back when he rejoined us.

that was the rumour that was going about year on loan & a permanent at the end of  but clearly not and at the time villa would have taken peanuts for him at the time i think just wanted him off the books …hopefully it’s a lesson learnt for sigh & the board

I have to disagree Reg, Villa clearly knew they would get a good deal for him if they extended his contract first seeing as he was out of contract 2023/24 and waited over accepting any bid for him which would have been less than what they got now in the summer beyond a loan deal with us which i have to say that's good business from Villa.

I do agree with you however that i hope this is a lesson learnt.
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PostSubject: Re: January Transfer Window   January Transfer Window - Page 2 EmptyWed Jan 03, 2024 10:23 pm

Angry wrote:
Greenskin wrote:
Rather amusing to read the hand wringing in some other quarters about the lack of capacity at HP and the resulting financial handicap imposed on the club now it moves in higher circles, which seems to be very much a 360 degree turn from opinions previously expressed especially under earlier regimes.



someone keep an eye on nool's and plebbs stance on that see if they still believe a cheaper, smaller and shitter grandstand mankover that they backed along with their cronies was a good idea.
everyone with half a brain knew it wernt a good idea except them pair of dicks
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PostSubject: Re: January Transfer Window   January Transfer Window - Page 2 EmptyThu Jan 04, 2024 9:36 am

RegGreen wrote:
Angry wrote:
Greenskin wrote:
Rather amusing to read the hand wringing in some other quarters about the lack of capacity at HP and the resulting financial handicap imposed on the club now it moves in higher circles, which seems to be very much a 360 degree turn from opinions previously expressed especially under earlier regimes.



someone keep an eye on nool's and plebbs stance on that see if they still believe a cheaper, smaller and shitter grandstand mankover that they backed along with their cronies was a good idea.
everyone with half a brain knew it wernt a good idea except them pair of dicks

yeap but the sane ones calling out that mankover for what it was arent proper fans remember.
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PostSubject: Re: January Transfer Window   January Transfer Window - Page 2 EmptyThu Jan 04, 2024 4:25 pm

Cundle going? Paywall but enough there to get the gist;

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PostSubject: Re: January Transfer Window   January Transfer Window - Page 2 EmptyThu Jan 04, 2024 4:41 pm

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Cundle going? Paywall but enough there  to get the gist;

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Wolves trying to get Argyle to put in an offer?
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PostSubject: Re: January Transfer Window   January Transfer Window - Page 2 EmptyThu Jan 04, 2024 5:04 pm

im fast becoming my name on here with the running of argyle's transfers. Jimmy Dickinson and Neil Dewsnip maybe able to find a player but they sure to feck have short term deals in their dna and yet another example of them not thinking ahead and getting the recall clause removed from another good player's deal is coming in again to bite us on the arse and leave the new guy in the lurch as another key player goes.


And we are meant to be happy these two are going to have more of an active role reducing the manager's role to a head coach!!!!!! im not convinced anymore i dont think they have the capabilities to think long term and protect the team and the club.
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PostSubject: Re: January Transfer Window   January Transfer Window - Page 2 EmptyThu Jan 04, 2024 5:40 pm

It's standard practice to have a recall clause in loan deals Angers. It protects the parent club. It can also work the other way, where the host club wants to end the loan if the player doesn't work out.
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PostSubject: Re: January Transfer Window   January Transfer Window - Page 2 EmptyThu Jan 04, 2024 5:54 pm

PlymptonPilgrim wrote:
It's standard practice to have a recall clause in loan deals Angers. It protects the parent club. It can also work the other way, where the host club wants to end the loan if the player doesn't work out.

yes that is true, however you can take them out if teams negotiate it just like the parent club can insist that the club they loaned the player too cant terminate the deal much like we experienced with that goalkeeper from wolves a few seasons back who broken his leg i think or something got broke anyways and we couldn't send him back due to that clause. We still had to pay him till January where wolves had to agree to recall him i think that was the season we got relegated to league two under del bhey.

We signed Azaz for another loan i think its safe to say we knew he was a good player so whoever did the deal dewsnip/dickinson/parkinson should have pushed for that to be removed and had an agreed fee in place for us to option in the summer pending on conditions of course to sign him.

If we arent going to do this with loan signings we use for key areas then we may aswell stop signing them for a season and just have them till january and not plan ahead.
If Cundle indeed moves on to stoke or bristol thats another goal scoring midfielder who creates chances that we have to try and replace before february and it wont be easy at all cause those kind of players their clubs wont want to loose their top players.
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