Ooohs goin wembley then?

Now we’ll find out Schumacher’s credentials from Good Friday until the end of season

Don't think anyone expected that even the Bolton fans. Worst performance of the season by a long way. Just didn't start at all, Wright lost his player for the first goal, and we were just so open at the back, we couldn't deal with runners, Houghton was nowhere, Matete was getting caught and there was just too much space. Couldn't blame Burton for any of the goals, he had no protection today.

Improved marginally in the second part of the first half, Hardie was unlucky, the keeper got a big toe to his effort, and Mumba went down with contact, but didn't look like a penalty.

Looked forward to a better second half, but a gift for their third goal, and poor defending from a corner finished it as a contest.

So, back to to the league and how we react is crucial. So far, after a defeat we've won the next game, so expect that to happen at Morecombe.

This will be forgotten after we get promotion.

PlymptonPilgrim wrote:

Don't think anyone expected that even the Bolton fans. Worst performance of the season by a long way. Just didn't start at all, Wright lost his player for the first goal, and we were just so open at the back, we couldn't deal with runners, Houghton was nowhere, Matete was getting caught and there was just too much space. Couldn't blame Burton for any of the goals, he had no protection today.

Improved marginally in the second part of the first half, Hardie was unlucky, the keeper got a big toe to his effort, and Mumba went down with contact, but didn't look like a penalty.

Looked forward to a better second half, but a gift for their third goal, and poor defending from a corner finished it as a contest.

So, back to to the league and how we react is crucial. So far, after a defeat we've won the next game, so expect that to happen at Morecombe.

This will be forgotten after we get promotion.

Promotion?  You are having a laugh, surely.

3pm "Mr Hallett, Leicester City are on the phone"
"Oh, they seem to have hung up"

PlymptonPilgrim wrote:

Don't think anyone expected that even the Bolton fans. Worst performance of the season by a long way. Just didn't start at all, Wright lost his player for the first goal, and we were just so open at the back, we couldn't deal with runners, Houghton was nowhere, Matete was getting caught and there was just too much space. Couldn't blame Burton for any of the goals, he had no protection today.

Improved marginally in the second part of the first half, Hardie was unlucky, the keeper got a big toe to his effort, and Mumba went down with contact, but didn't look like a penalty.

Looked forward to a better second half, but a gift for their third goal, and poor defending from a corner finished it as a contest.

So, back to to the league and how we react is crucial. So far, after a defeat we've won the next game, so expect that to happen at Morecombe.

This will be forgotten after we get promotion.

sunderland fans said the same thing when they lost in this cup final and they imploded. in fact just go watch season 2 of sunderland till i die you will see our season is mirroring theirs

That is the worst Argyle performance I have seen in ages. Outplayed, out thought, second best and hugely worrying to lose by that score. When the third and fourth goals went in many Argyle fans left in droves, my self being one of them when number four went in.

Bolton simply wanted it more than Argyle. No idea why Shuey did not play Azaz and Cosgrove from the start, as it could have been a different story perhaps.

The season could end in a total mess following that display and previous league displays at that also. If the side slip into the Play-Offs they will have no chance.

So annoyed at the lack of effort today, Shuey needs to get this team in earlier tomorrow and read the riot act to them. Six hours to get there and on the coach back home now , another six hours.

My daughter, husband and friends left early because of the threatening behaviour by the thug element of Argyle fans towards them, it would seem they’re part of the group of Devonport enders who have no idea what seats are meant for, absolute knobheads.

We was shit.
No more interest in the rest of the season now we lost this.

Graiser wrote:

My daughter, husband and friends left early because of the threatening behaviour by the thug element of Argyle fans towards them, it would seem they’re part of the group of Devonport enders who have no idea what seats are meant for, absolute knobheads.

its an element that the club refuses to crack down on because they sing the same 5 songs over and over again.

Angry wrote:

Graiser wrote:

My daughter, husband and friends left early because of the threatening behaviour by the thug element of Argyle fans towards them, it would seem they’re part of the group of Devonport enders who have no idea what seats are meant for, absolute knobheads.

its an element that the club refuses to crack down on because they sing the same 5 songs over and over again.

Correct and no doubt if the club cracked down and chucked a few out there’d be the usual crew feeling aggrieved for them, they’re fecking tossers and should thrown out and kept out.

Schumacher's comments on todays massacre

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Steven Schumacher has called on the Green Army to stick by his promotion-chasing Plymouth Argyle players following the hugely disappointing 4-0 defeat by Bolton Wanderers in the Papa Johns Trophy final.

Schumacher accepted there would be criticism after such a poor performance from his side, who conceded two goals in the opening 10 minutes and gave their fans hardly anything to cheer about.

But, somehow, the Pilgrims have to try and bounce back from their Wembley nightmare, which was played out in front of a 39,000-strong Green Army, to continue their push for League One automatic promotion.

Argyle, second in the table on goal difference to Sheffield Wednesday, have eight games remaining, with the next two coming over Easter.

First up is a long away trip to relegation-threatened Morecambe on Good Friday followed by the visit of Lincoln City to Home Park on Easter Monday.

On the heavy defeat by Bolton, Schumacher said: "Obviously devastated with the outcome. I think congratulations is due to Bolton Wanderers, they were the better team and deserved to win the game.

"I also want to apologise to our fans, we didn't want it to go like that. After the start to the game we had, 10 minutes in and we were two-nil down from our own doing really.

"We gave the ball away in two poor areas and we got punished. Every mistake seemed to be punished by a really good Bolton Wanderers team. Once we go two-nil down it's going to be a tough day, and it was."

The only saving grace for Argyle at the interval was that they were not further behind, trailing 2-0 after goals scored by Kyle Dempsey and Dion Charles.

Schumacher said: "We said to the players at half-time that somehow we were still in the game. We weren't completely out of sight and we probably should have been.

"For us to get anything from the game we were going to have to look after the ball a bit better and stop giving it away in poor areas of the pitch.

"It looked like we had a bit of momentum at the start of the second half. We were on the front foot, we took a throw-in quickly and gave possession away, while we were spread wide open trying to pass out from the back.

"Kachunga runs right through the middle of us and scores, and from then on it's game over," added the Pilgrims' boss

Asked for a message for the Green Army, Schumacher said: "Thanks for your support, stick by the team. That's what good fans do, and our fans are the best. They understand we haven't gone out there today wanting to perform like that.

"Players don't do that, they want to try and do their best for everyone. We have made mistakes and got punished for it.

"Stick by them, support them. Obviously, there is going to be a few that criticise us and we are going to have to take that on the chin and own it.

"But then be there for us on Friday, if you can, at Morecambe, and definitely on Monday against Lincoln because they are going to help us get over the line hopefully."

Schumacher didnot see any reason why Argyle cannot go on and clinch promotion to the Championship despite their Wembley despair.

He said: "Every other time we have had a bad performance we have come back and reacted. There's eight games left and it's in our own hands. It's up to us to perform better than what we did today."

village doesnt sound like he plans on getting them into training tomorrow or read the riot act.  

schuey's comments about the fans has annoyed me  they turn up and support the team come rain or shine and will do so still its your players that dont do that and thats on you and your prep sort that out before you try passing the buck.

Graiser wrote:

Angry wrote:

Graiser wrote:

My daughter, husband and friends left early because of the threatening behaviour by the thug element of Argyle fans towards them, it would seem they’re part of the group of Devonport enders who have no idea what seats are meant for, absolute knobheads.

its an element that the club refuses to crack down on because they sing the same 5 songs over and over again.

Correct and no doubt if the club cracked down and chucked a few out there’d be the usual crew feeling aggrieved for them, they’re fecking tossers and should thrown out and kept out.

Wait until one of them falls over and skins their knees, then there will be tears. Never mind standing up they will be running in the coridoors next. Utter madness.

Anyway who's going to the playoff finals? Lol 38,000? Doubt it. We really are on a pivotal point of the reign of Sigh here. We must be promoted via the autos, I think most fans would forgive us being bounced right down from the CCC but if we end up still in lge 1 with a complete rebuild we would be very lucky to be Anywhere near the top two again I fear. Lessons need to be learned, we need to build from the back And we need a defence like Bolton has, like all our rivals have. Before anyone plays the skint card, we ain't skint, we are far from skint and we need to spend more money than we are now or the five year plan will start from the start of next season with a lot less fans.

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Schumacher's comments on todays massacre

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Steven Schumacher has called on the Green Army to stick by his promotion-chasing Plymouth Argyle players following the hugely disappointing 4-0 defeat by Bolton Wanderers in the Papa Johns Trophy final.

Schumacher accepted there would be criticism after such a poor performance from his side, who conceded two goals in the opening 10 minutes and gave their fans hardly anything to cheer about.

But, somehow, the Pilgrims have to try and bounce back from their Wembley nightmare, which was played out in front of a 39,000-strong Green Army, to continue their push for League One automatic promotion.

Argyle, second in the table on goal difference to Sheffield Wednesday, have eight games remaining, with the next two coming over Easter.

First up is a long away trip to relegation-threatened Morecambe on Good Friday followed by the visit of Lincoln City to Home Park on Easter Monday.

On the heavy defeat by Bolton, Schumacher said: "Obviously devastated with the outcome. I think congratulations is due to Bolton Wanderers, they were the better team and deserved to win the game.

"I also want to apologise to our fans, we didn't want it to go like that. After the start to the game we had, 10 minutes in and we were two-nil down from our own doing really.

"We gave the ball away in two poor areas and we got punished. Every mistake seemed to be punished by a really good Bolton Wanderers team. Once we go two-nil down it's going to be a tough day, and it was."

The only saving grace for Argyle at the interval was that they were not further behind, trailing 2-0 after goals scored by Kyle Dempsey and Dion Charles.

Schumacher said: "We said to the players at half-time that somehow we were still in the game. We weren't completely out of sight and we probably should have been.

"For us to get anything from the game we were going to have to look after the ball a bit better and stop giving it away in poor areas of the pitch.

"It looked like we had a bit of momentum at the start of the second half. We were on the front foot, we took a throw-in quickly and gave possession away, while we were spread wide open trying to pass out from the back.

"Kachunga runs right through the middle of us and scores, and from then on it's game over," added the Pilgrims' boss

Asked for a message for the Green Army, Schumacher said: "Thanks for your support, stick by the team. That's what good fans do, and our fans are the best. They understand we haven't gone out there today wanting to perform like that.

"Players don't do that, they want to try and do their best for everyone. We have made mistakes and got punished for it.

"Stick by them, support them. Obviously, there is going to be a few that criticise us and we are going to have to take that on the chin and own it.

"But then be there for us on Friday, if you can, at Morecambe, and definitely on Monday against Lincoln because they are going to help us get over the line hopefully."

Schumacher didnot see any reason why Argyle cannot go on and clinch promotion to the Championship despite their Wembley despair.

He said: "Every other time we have had a bad performance we have come back and reacted. There's eight games left and it's in our own hands. It's up to us to perform better than what we did today."

village doesnt sound like he plans on getting them into training tomorrow or read the riot act.  

schuey's comments about the fans has annoyed me  they turn up and support the team come rain or shine and will do so still its your players that dont do that and thats on you and your prep sort that out before you try passing the buck.

Nope, he won't be getting them in early and reading the riot act then.

I will be at Home Park on the Bank Holiday Monday cheering them on, hopefully after a win at Morecambe.

It certainly is in their hands and like you say, Shuey and the backroom staff have got to lift the team for those two important games.

Only my second away game for this season today, not a great fan of long distance travel these days. Should Argyle fall into Play-Offs and reach the final, I would not go to it.

I'm amazed that data analytics didn't help us more?

Earwegoagain wrote:

I'm amazed that data analytics didn't help us more?

proper training may have been useful too. UIf they did data analytics as prep it clearly wasnt looked at cause we had no clue.

Its my hope that Schuey or indeed another manager when the time comes learn the benefits of having a plan b to use when plan a doesnt work especially away from home.

Angry wrote:

i dont want to hear any crap from schuey about being proud of reaching the final this loss it entirely on him he had all week and more to prepare the team for this game and it looks like they are hungover from partying.

Embarrassing disgusting and shocking for a team to not even be interested in a game at wembley.

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son of a bitch i see the players are turning out the carefully worded tweets summing up the game saying how deversated they are  i cant believe them im sorry to say, if they care they would have turned up yesterday  even if we still lost the least they could have done is pretend that they cared.

Angry wrote:

Angry wrote:

i dont want to hear any crap from schuey about being proud of reaching the final this loss it entirely on him he had all week and more to prepare the team for this game and it looks like they are hungover from partying.

Embarrassing disgusting and shocking for a team to not even be interested in a game at wembley.

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son of a bitch i see the players are turning out the carefully worded tweets summing up the game saying how deversated they are  i cant believe them im sorry to say, if they care they would have turned up yesterday  even if we still lost the least they could have done is pretend that they cared.

Why on earth would players "not care" about a showpiece final in front of 79000 people and a few hundred thousand more on a national tv outlet? They seem to have cared enough to get to the final in the first place and to get Argyle into a position whereby automatic promotion is stiil a strong possibility in spite of the ultra negative drivel written by some on this site. There is such a thing as not doing yourself justice on a big occasion which anyone who has played any sport to a goodish level knows is very possible and many of Argyle's players certainly didn't play to their full ability on Sunday-maybe that could be interpreted as a temperamental weakness but harsh in the extreme to suggest that players were not interested.

It was indeed an awful performance though, no doubt about it-couldn't stand any more after 75 minutes and got an early tube ride. Much criticism has been thrown at the defence but the problem is when you have people like Mumba and Wright playing as wing backs against good teams with a bit of pace and guile then the three at the back are going to get very exposed because neither of them ARE wing backs-essentially they are attacking midfielders rather than people who are going to provide reliable support to the back line. There is also the nonsense of leaving Hardie to forage alone up front-teams have sussed Argyle's attempts to play from the back and through midfield with the inevitable consequence that eventually going long is the only option and clearly Hardie is no Trigger when it comes to aerial challenge and the ability to hold the ball up, very unfair imho to ask him to play that role. Needs must and personally i would like to see a solid 4-4-2 from now on with Hardie and Cosgrove starting each game-it can always be changed later on. Doubt if Schuey will go down that route though, he would argue that his way has done very nicely so far but things have changed since those free scoring early season days, not least the loss of Whittaker and Randell whose ability to put his foot on the ball and pass it accurately has been missed more than we thought it may be.

Greenskin wrote:

Angry wrote:

Angry wrote:

i dont want to hear any crap from schuey about being proud of reaching the final this loss it entirely on him he had all week and more to prepare the team for this game and it looks like they are hungover from partying.

Embarrassing disgusting and shocking for a team to not even be interested in a game at wembley.

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son of a bitch i see the players are turning out the carefully worded tweets summing up the game saying how deversated they are  i cant believe them im sorry to say, if they care they would have turned up yesterday  even if we still lost the least they could have done is pretend that they cared.

Why on earth would players "not care" about a showpiece final in front of 79000 people and a few hundred thousand more on a national tv outlet? They seem to have cared enough to get to the final in the first place and to get Argyle into a position whereby automatic promotion is stiil a strong possibility in spite of the ultra negative drivel written by some on this site. There is such a thing as not doing yourself justice on a big occasion which anyone who has played any sport to a goodish level knows is very possible and many of Argyle's players certainly didn't play to their full ability on Sunday-maybe that could be interpreted as a temperamental weakness but harsh in the extreme to suggest that players were not interested.

It was indeed an awful performance though, no doubt about it-couldn't stand any more after 75 minutes and got an early tube ride. Much criticism has been thrown at the defence but the problem is when you have people like Mumba and Wright playing as wing backs against good teams with a bit of pace and guile then the three at the back are going to get very exposed because neither of them ARE wing backs-essentially they are attacking midfielders rather than people who are going to provide reliable support to the back line. There is also the nonsense of leaving Hardie to forage alone up front-teams have sussed Argyle's attempts to play from the back and through midfield with the inevitable consequence that eventually going long is the only option and clearly Hardie is no Trigger when it comes to aerial challenge and the ability to hold the ball up, very unfair imho to ask him to play that role. Needs must and personally i would like to see a solid 4-4-2 from now on with Hardie and Cosgrove starting each game-it can always be changed later on. Doubt if Schuey will go down that route though, he would argue that his way has done very nicely so far but things have changed since those free scoring early season days, not least the loss of Whittaker and Randell whose ability to put his foot on the ball and pass it accurately has been missed more than we thought it may be.

if they cared they would never have performed they way they did. I can accept losing if we gave it our all as sometimes the other team is just that bit better on the day as is football but never can i be accepting of a performance like that.

Maybe they do care but have just completely forgotten how to play football.  Good job we're not in a scrap at the other end of the table.

Angry wrote:

Greenskin wrote:

Angry wrote:

Angry wrote:

i dont want to hear any crap from schuey about being proud of reaching the final this loss it entirely on him he had all week and more to prepare the team for this game and it looks like they are hungover from partying.

Embarrassing disgusting and shocking for a team to not even be interested in a game at wembley.

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son of a bitch i see the players are turning out the carefully worded tweets summing up the game saying how deversated they are  i cant believe them im sorry to say, if they care they would have turned up yesterday  even if we still lost the least they could have done is pretend that they cared.

Why on earth would players "not care" about a showpiece final in front of 79000 people and a few hundred thousand more on a national tv outlet? They seem to have cared enough to get to the final in the first place and to get Argyle into a position whereby automatic promotion is stiil a strong possibility in spite of the ultra negative drivel written by some on this site. There is such a thing as not doing yourself justice on a big occasion which anyone who has played any sport to a goodish level knows is very possible and many of Argyle's players certainly didn't play to their full ability on Sunday-maybe that could be interpreted as a temperamental weakness but harsh in the extreme to suggest that players were not interested.

It was indeed an awful performance though, no doubt about it-couldn't stand any more after 75 minutes and got an early tube ride. Much criticism has been thrown at the defence but the problem is when you have people like Mumba and Wright playing as wing backs against good teams with a bit of pace and guile then the three at the back are going to get very exposed because neither of them ARE wing backs-essentially they are attacking midfielders rather than people who are going to provide reliable support to the back line. There is also the nonsense of leaving Hardie to forage alone up front-teams have sussed Argyle's attempts to play from the back and through midfield with the inevitable consequence that eventually going long is the only option and clearly Hardie is no Trigger when it comes to aerial challenge and the ability to hold the ball up, very unfair imho to ask him to play that role. Needs must and personally i would like to see a solid 4-4-2 from now on with Hardie and Cosgrove starting each game-it can always be changed later on. Doubt if Schuey will go down that route though, he would argue that his way has done very nicely so far but things have changed since those free scoring early season days, not least the loss of Whittaker and Randell whose ability to put his foot on the ball and pass it accurately has been missed more than we thought it may be.

if they cared they would never have performed they way they did. I can accept losing if we gave it our all as sometimes the other team is just that bit better on the day as is football but never can i be accepting of a performance like that.

So you're saying that the sole reason that any team or individual who has performed badly in sport in the past has done so because they don't care?

Greenskin wrote:

Angry wrote:

Greenskin wrote:

Angry wrote:

Angry wrote:

i dont want to hear any crap from schuey about being proud of reaching the final this loss it entirely on him he had all week and more to prepare the team for this game and it looks like they are hungover from partying.

Embarrassing disgusting and shocking for a team to not even be interested in a game at wembley.

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son of a bitch i see the players are turning out the carefully worded tweets summing up the game saying how deversated they are  i cant believe them im sorry to say, if they care they would have turned up yesterday  even if we still lost the least they could have done is pretend that they cared.

Why on earth would players "not care" about a showpiece final in front of 79000 people and a few hundred thousand more on a national tv outlet? They seem to have cared enough to get to the final in the first place and to get Argyle into a position whereby automatic promotion is stiil a strong possibility in spite of the ultra negative drivel written by some on this site. There is such a thing as not doing yourself justice on a big occasion which anyone who has played any sport to a goodish level knows is very possible and many of Argyle's players certainly didn't play to their full ability on Sunday-maybe that could be interpreted as a temperamental weakness but harsh in the extreme to suggest that players were not interested.

It was indeed an awful performance though, no doubt about it-couldn't stand any more after 75 minutes and got an early tube ride. Much criticism has been thrown at the defence but the problem is when you have people like Mumba and Wright playing as wing backs against good teams with a bit of pace and guile then the three at the back are going to get very exposed because neither of them ARE wing backs-essentially they are attacking midfielders rather than people who are going to provide reliable support to the back line. There is also the nonsense of leaving Hardie to forage alone up front-teams have sussed Argyle's attempts to play from the back and through midfield with the inevitable consequence that eventually going long is the only option and clearly Hardie is no Trigger when it comes to aerial challenge and the ability to hold the ball up, very unfair imho to ask him to play that role. Needs must and personally i would like to see a solid 4-4-2 from now on with Hardie and Cosgrove starting each game-it can always be changed later on. Doubt if Schuey will go down that route though, he would argue that his way has done very nicely so far but things have changed since those free scoring early season days, not least the loss of Whittaker and Randell whose ability to put his foot on the ball and pass it accurately has been missed more than we thought it may be.

if they cared they would never have performed they way they did. I can accept losing if we gave it our all as sometimes the other team is just that bit better on the day as is football but never can i be accepting of a performance like that.

So you're saying that the sole reason that any team or individual who has performed badly in sport in the past has done so because they don't care?

Something that I hate is when we beat a bigger team and its dismissed as luck, them not caring or taking the game seriously when the better team won , like it or not Bolton were miles better than us on the day, team selection, tactics and discipline. We had a bad day thank fook it wasn't a league game. Fair play to Bolton they deserved it.

Greenskin wrote:

Angry wrote:

Greenskin wrote:

Angry wrote:

Angry wrote:

i dont want to hear any crap from schuey about being proud of reaching the final this loss it entirely on him he had all week and more to prepare the team for this game and it looks like they are hungover from partying.

Embarrassing disgusting and shocking for a team to not even be interested in a game at wembley.

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son of a bitch i see the players are turning out the carefully worded tweets summing up the game saying how deversated they are  i cant believe them im sorry to say, if they care they would have turned up yesterday  even if we still lost the least they could have done is pretend that they cared.

Why on earth would players "not care" about a showpiece final in front of 79000 people and a few hundred thousand more on a national tv outlet? They seem to have cared enough to get to the final in the first place and to get Argyle into a position whereby automatic promotion is stiil a strong possibility in spite of the ultra negative drivel written by some on this site. There is such a thing as not doing yourself justice on a big occasion which anyone who has played any sport to a goodish level knows is very possible and many of Argyle's players certainly didn't play to their full ability on Sunday-maybe that could be interpreted as a temperamental weakness but harsh in the extreme to suggest that players were not interested.

It was indeed an awful performance though, no doubt about it-couldn't stand any more after 75 minutes and got an early tube ride. Much criticism has been thrown at the defence but the problem is when you have people like Mumba and Wright playing as wing backs against good teams with a bit of pace and guile then the three at the back are going to get very exposed because neither of them ARE wing backs-essentially they are attacking midfielders rather than people who are going to provide reliable support to the back line. There is also the nonsense of leaving Hardie to forage alone up front-teams have sussed Argyle's attempts to play from the back and through midfield with the inevitable consequence that eventually going long is the only option and clearly Hardie is no Trigger when it comes to aerial challenge and the ability to hold the ball up, very unfair imho to ask him to play that role. Needs must and personally i would like to see a solid 4-4-2 from now on with Hardie and Cosgrove starting each game-it can always be changed later on. Doubt if Schuey will go down that route though, he would argue that his way has done very nicely so far but things have changed since those free scoring early season days, not least the loss of Whittaker and Randell whose ability to put his foot on the ball and pass it accurately has been missed more than we thought it may be.

if they cared they would never have performed they way they did. I can accept losing if we gave it our all as sometimes the other team is just that bit better on the day as is football but never can i be accepting of a performance like that.

So you're saying that the sole reason that any team or individual who has performed badly in sport in the past has done so because they don't care?

no thats not what was written at all and there ends my discussion on this with you goodnight.

Angry wrote:

Greenskin wrote:

Angry wrote:

Greenskin wrote:

Angry wrote:

Angry wrote:

i dont want to hear any crap from schuey about being proud of reaching the final this loss it entirely on him he had all week and more to prepare the team for this game and it looks like they are hungover from partying.

Embarrassing disgusting and shocking for a team to not even be interested in a game at wembley.

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son of a bitch i see the players are turning out the carefully worded tweets summing up the game saying how deversated they are  i cant believe them im sorry to say, if they care they would have turned up yesterday  even if we still lost the least they could have done is pretend that they cared.

Why on earth would players "not care" about a showpiece final in front of 79000 people and a few hundred thousand more on a national tv outlet? They seem to have cared enough to get to the final in the first place and to get Argyle into a position whereby automatic promotion is stiil a strong possibility in spite of the ultra negative drivel written by some on this site. There is such a thing as not doing yourself justice on a big occasion which anyone who has played any sport to a goodish level knows is very possible and many of Argyle's players certainly didn't play to their full ability on Sunday-maybe that could be interpreted as a temperamental weakness but harsh in the extreme to suggest that players were not interested.

It was indeed an awful performance though, no doubt about it-couldn't stand any more after 75 minutes and got an early tube ride. Much criticism has been thrown at the defence but the problem is when you have people like Mumba and Wright playing as wing backs against good teams with a bit of pace and guile then the three at the back are going to get very exposed because neither of them ARE wing backs-essentially they are attacking midfielders rather than people who are going to provide reliable support to the back line. There is also the nonsense of leaving Hardie to forage alone up front-teams have sussed Argyle's attempts to play from the back and through midfield with the inevitable consequence that eventually going long is the only option and clearly Hardie is no Trigger when it comes to aerial challenge and the ability to hold the ball up, very unfair imho to ask him to play that role. Needs must and personally i would like to see a solid 4-4-2 from now on with Hardie and Cosgrove starting each game-it can always be changed later on. Doubt if Schuey will go down that route though, he would argue that his way has done very nicely so far but things have changed since those free scoring early season days, not least the loss of Whittaker and Randell whose ability to put his foot on the ball and pass it accurately has been missed more than we thought it may be.

if they cared they would never have performed they way they did. I can accept losing if we gave it our all as sometimes the other team is just that bit better on the day as is football but never can i be accepting of a performance like that.

So you're saying that the sole reason that any team or individual who has performed badly in sport in the past has done so because they don't care?

no thats not what was written at all and there ends my discussion on this with you   goodnight.

You certainly didn't seem to consider any other option apart from the "not trying" angle which would indicate a certain lack of breadth in your thinking on the subject so there really wasn't any other conclusion to draw.