Tory Party Corruption

Earwegoagain wrote:

One minute Labour have the Tories on the ropes about partygate and sleaze not to mention mysogony regarding Raynor and the basic instinct allegations then a week passes and it turns out that Starmer was having his own parties whilst we were locked down and Raynor was boasting to fellow MP's about how she distracts the PM by doing the basic instinct thing.

The Tory partygate shenanigans have come and gone with those at fault finally pleading guilty and fined by the Metropolitan Police. So far so good you might say until it seems that Keir Starmer also had a 'beer & pizza' party with his staff. As this happened up north in Durham Constabulary's manor you would think they would start an immediate investigation, well, wouldn't you?

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As for Angela Rayner: The author of my second link is Dan Hodges the son of former labour minister Glenda Jackson, and is a committed EU remainer. I'm a trifle long in the tooth so the expression my "ginger *******" sails right over my head?


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Hugh Midde wrote:

Earwegoagain wrote:

One minute Labour have the Tories on the ropes about partygate and sleaze not to mention mysogony regarding Raynor and the basic instinct allegations then a week passes and it turns out that Starmer was having his own parties whilst we were locked down and Raynor was boasting to fellow MP's about how she distracts the PM by doing the basic instinct thing.

The Tory partygate shenanigans have come and gone with those at fault finally pleading guilty and fined by the Metropolitan Police. So far so good you might say until it seems that Keir Starmer also had a 'beer & pizza' party with his staff. As this happened up north in Durham Constabulary's manor you would think they would start an immediate investigation, well, wouldn't you?

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As for Angela Rayner: The author of my second link is Dan Hodges the son of former labour minister Glenda Jackson, and is a committed EU remainer. I'm a trifle long in the tooth so the expression my "ginger *******" sails right over my head?


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It's a growler that you're looking for old bean.

Earwegoagain wrote:

Hugh Midde wrote:

Earwegoagain wrote:

One minute Labour have the Tories on the ropes about partygate and sleaze not to mention mysogony regarding Raynor and the basic instinct allegations then a week passes and it turns out that Starmer was having his own parties whilst we were locked down and Raynor was boasting to fellow MP's about how she distracts the PM by doing the basic instinct thing.

The Tory partygate shenanigans have come and gone with those at fault finally pleading guilty and fined by the Metropolitan Police. So far so good you might say until it seems that Keir Starmer also had a 'beer & pizza' party with his staff. As this happened up north in Durham Constabulary's manor you would think they would start an immediate investigation, well, wouldn't you?

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As for Angela Rayner: The author of my second link is Dan Hodges the son of former labour minister Glenda Jackson, and is a committed EU remainer. I'm a trifle long in the tooth so the expression my "ginger *******" sails right over my head?


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It's a growler that you're looking for old bean.

Thanks for that Mr E - I really didn't have the foggiest - it must be my hermit lifestyle.

The only growler I've heard of is the Boeing EA-18G and I shouldn't imagine she's got room for one of them

Hugh Midde wrote:

Earwegoagain wrote:

One minute Labour have the Tories on the ropes about partygate and sleaze not to mention mysogony regarding Raynor and the basic instinct allegations then a week passes and it turns out that Starmer was having his own parties whilst we were locked down and Raynor was boasting to fellow MP's about how she distracts the PM by doing the basic instinct thing.

The Tory partygate shenanigans have come and gone with those at fault finally pleading guilty and fined by the Metropolitan Police. So far so good you might say until it seems that Keir Starmer also had a 'beer & pizza' party with his staff. As this happened up north in Durham Constabulary's manor you would think they would start an immediate investigation, well, wouldn't you?

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As for Angela Rayner: The author of my second link is Dan Hodges the son of former labour minister Glenda Jackson, and is a committed EU remainer. I'm a trifle long in the tooth so the expression my "ginger *******" sails right over my head?


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The police already investigated Starmer back in February (unlike the Met, they didn't hang around pretending there was nothing to investigate).

Starmer was found not to have breached any rules, but no need to let facts get in the way of a little rant.

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Flat_Track_Bully wrote:

The police already investigated Starmer back in February (unlike the Met, they didn't hang around pretending there was nothing to investigate).

Starmer was found not to have breached any rules, but no need to let facts get in the way of a little rant.

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The BBC are not only pro EU, they're pocketing hefty wedges from that organisation which makes it crystal clear why they'll always diss the Tories while doing their level best to exonerate Labour from just about anything - or simply fail to report wrongdoings. Just think how people with little disposable income have little choice but to the pay the wages of those lefty inclined shysters.

Meanwhile, take a shufti at the paragraph in my first link that starts:" But his defence is now under fresh scrutiny....."


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Or....

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Now kindly scroll down to the final three paragraphs that start: The Daily Mail unearthed a podcast.....


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Hugh doesn't do facts only shite from a foreign owned rag like the mail, why should we expect anything else from Frenchie owned tory propaganda?

seadog wrote:

Hugh doesn't do facts only shite from a foreign owned rag like the mail, why should we expect anything else from Frenchie owned tory propaganda?

Unless it's changed hands I though Viscount Rothermere and the rest of the Harmsworth family owned the Mail ?


As for the totally unbiased BBC....


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and.....https://www.argyletd.com/post?p=441691&mode=quote

Hugh Midde wrote:

Flat_Track_Bully wrote:

The police already investigated Starmer back in February (unlike the Met, they didn't hang around pretending there was nothing to investigate).

Starmer was found not to have breached any rules, but no need to let facts get in the way of a little rant.

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The BBC are not only pro EU, they're pocketing hefty wedges from that organisation which makes it crystal clear why they'll always diss the Tories while doing their level best to exonerate Labour from just about anything - or simply fail to report wrongdoings. Just think how people with little disposable income have little choice but to the pay the wages of those lefty inclined shysters.

Meanwhile, take a shufti at the paragraph in my first link that starts:" But his defence is now under fresh scrutiny....."


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Or....

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Now kindly scroll down to the final three paragraphs that start: The Daily Mail unearthed a podcast.....


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BBC left wing bias?

Chairman of BBC is a former advisor to Boris Johnson and a donor to the conservative party
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Recent previous chairman have included Chris Pattern and Rona Fairhead, both previous Tory ministers.
Director General of the BBC is a former Conservative Councillor
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The BBC's political editor Laura Kuenssberg is well know for her favour for the Tory party, including uncritically reporting lies from government 'sources' as facts. Her predecessor Nick Robinson was president of a Conservative Party Youth Group.  
Until he ran off to create GB News, the main political interview for the BBC was Andrew Niell, previously editor of the right wing Times and a conservative party member.

I'm not fan of Starmer and the Labour party would probably be better off without him, but the attempt of the Tories to shift the focus onto him is just a desperate attempt to distract from what they've been up to. The Starmer incident was on Apr 30th after campaigning for a byelection, so was classed as a work event by the police. The tories can't claim that's unfair as its the same excuse that Johnson used for the first work event with wine and cheese that he had on 15th May. As with Durham police, the Met decided that incident didn't break the rules either because it was a work event. So both Starmer and Johnson have been treated the same by the police.

The incident Johnson got the fine for was on June 19th, which was a birthday party (for Johnson himself) and clearly not a work event. There was also another invitation only party that Johnson attended on May 20th where the invitation made clear it was a party not a work event. In total there are 15 separate parties (excluding the May 15th one that the Met has already said was OK) that are still under investigation, including some others attended by Johnson or other senior tories, although conveniently the Met are waiting until after the local elections to release the details of their findings.

Regarding this Rayner Basic Instinct thing, there's a big differences between a woman joking something about herself, and someone else anonymously accusing her of it to the press - the context is vastly different. For example, if a woman I work with made a joke about herself putting on weight, that's not a big deal. If I went round to alll her colleagues, saying  'X has let herself go etc', or got something similar published in a local paper - that a lot less OK. Surely that distinction is obvious?

Regarding Rothermere - he's 'non domiciled' outside the UK for tax purposes, and the Mail is owned through offshore trusts, so it doesn't pay tax in the UK, presumably that's what Seadog is referring to.

Rothermere is domiciled in France for tax purposes, therefore he is a foreign owner, so ashamed of the country of his birth he refuses to pay his dues.

Flat_Track_Bully wrote:

Hugh Midde wrote:

Flat_Track_Bully wrote:

The police already investigated Starmer back in February (unlike the Met, they didn't hang around pretending there was nothing to investigate).

Starmer was found not to have breached any rules, but no need to let facts get in the way of a little rant.

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The BBC are not only pro EU, they're pocketing hefty wedges from that organisation which makes it crystal clear why they'll always diss the Tories while doing their level best to exonerate Labour from just about anything - or simply fail to report wrongdoings. Just think how people with little disposable income have little choice but to the pay the wages of those lefty inclined shysters.

Meanwhile, take a shufti at the paragraph in my first link that starts:" But his defence is now under fresh scrutiny....."


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Or....

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Now kindly scroll down to the final three paragraphs that start: The Daily Mail unearthed a podcast.....


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BBC left wing bias?

Chairman of BBC is a former advisor to Boris Johnson and a donor to the conservative party
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Recent previous chairman have included Chris Pattern and Rona Fairhead, both previous Tory ministers.
Director General of the BBC is a former Conservative Councillor
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The BBC's political editor Laura Kuenssberg is well know for her favour for the Tory party, including uncritically reporting lies from government 'sources' as facts. Her predecessor Nick Robinson was president of a Conservative Party Youth Group.  
Until he ran off to create GB News, the main political interview for the BBC was Andrew Niell, previously editor of the right wing Times and a conservative party member.

I'm not fan of Starmer and the Labour party would probably be better off without him, but the attempt of the Tories to shift the focus onto him is just a desperate attempt to distract from what they've been up to. The Starmer incident was on Apr 30th after campaigning for a byelection, so was classed as a work event by the police. The tories can't claim that's unfair as its the same excuse that Johnson used for the first work event with wine and cheese that he had on 15th May. As with Durham police, the Met decided that incident didn't break the rules either because it was a work event. So both Starmer and Johnson have been treated the same by the police.

The incident Johnson got the fine for was on June 19th, which was a birthday party (for Johnson himself) and clearly not a work event. There was also another invitation only party that Johnson attended on May 20th where the invitation made clear it was a party not a work event. In total there are 15 separate parties (excluding the May 15th one that the Met has already said was OK) that are still under investigation, including some others attended by Johnson or other senior tories, although conveniently the Met are waiting until after the local elections to release the details of their findings.

Regarding this Rayner Basic Instinct thing, there's a big differences between a woman joking something about herself, and someone else anonymously accusing her of it to the press - the context is vastly different. For example, if a woman I work with made a joke about herself putting on weight, that's not a big deal. If I went round to alll her colleagues, saying  'X has let herself go etc', or got something similar published in a local paper - that a lot less OK. Surely that distinction is obvious?

Regarding Rothermere - he's 'non domiciled' outside the UK for tax purposes, and the Mail is owned through offshore trusts, so it doesn't pay tax in the UK, presumably that's what Seadog is referring to.

I must admit I know little about Richard Sharp other than he was a paid adviser to both Boris when Mayor of London and the current chancellor. Former BBC Chairman Chris Patton was no friend of the current government, even calling it "English Nationalist. The present chairman Tim Davie appears to be taking no orders from anyone when you consider he backed this lady....

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If you don't fancy keir Starmer then who is there? As for Tory attempts to shift focus, could it not be a party after all? Wasn't indoor socialising against the law? could your view be wrong....

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As for the Angela Rayner joking about herself, didn't she admit to four fellow MP's that it was all about trying to put the Prime Minister off his stroke? (pardon the pun). If you don't like Starmer as Labour leader, could you imagine what Her Maj would be thinking having to meet her every week should she ever become Prime Minister. Strewth!

Which brings me to Lord Rothermere, there is no excuse for the man - as if he hasn't enough money as it is. However, as for tax-free offshore trusts, well, it seems that even the left are at it....

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I know little about Kuenssberg other than she been accused of being both left and right wing....

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Finally, it's been a long night and my asthma is playing up a mite. Nick Robinson, Kuenssberg's predecessor....

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You can say what they like, Starmer is no better than Boris he was doing exactly what Boris was doing at Partygate if the Met has cleared him it's probably more corruption rather than smears against an innocent man. Didn't any of you ask yourselves why Starmer wasn't going in all guns blazing? He's just another rich Tory boy pretending to be a socialist, not being Boris will only take you so far.

Earwegoagain wrote:

You can say what they like, Starmer is no better than Boris he was doing exactly what Boris was doing at Partygate if the Met has cleared him it's probably more corruption rather than smears against an innocent man. Didn't any of you ask yourselves why Starmer wasn't going in all guns blazing? He's just another rich Tory boy pretending to be a socialist, not being Boris will only take you so far.

Not sure about him being a Tory boy Mr E as he was once co-editor of the Marxist 'Socialist Alternative' magazine. It was while he occupied that position that he said he was in favour of abolishing the monarchy. He certainly had a change of heart as having since bent the knee to be dubbed a Knight of the realm.....


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From working-class roots he has steadily amassed quite a handy wedge.....


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Like Blair he's a wolf in sheep's clothing, he has no real beliefs other than power and money are god.

The sooner the leftist, woke hounding of innocent Doris stops the better, who else could lead us through this war?

Keyholder wrote:

The sooner the leftist, woke hounding of innocent Doris stops the better, who else could lead us through this war?

Literally no one.

Keyholder wrote:

The sooner the leftist, woke hounding of innocent Doris stops the better, who else could lead us through this war?

I see "the answer" also known as Sir Kier Starmer is still wriggling like a fish on a hook and refusing to answer any questions with a straight answer regarding his own lockdown Curry and Beer night.

Probably waiting for the Sue Gray questionnaire, lolz

seadog wrote:

Probably waiting for the Sue Gray questionnaire, lolz

Your lack of consistency is really quite staggering, two sides of the same coin but in your Brexit blinkered eyes then Kier is ok lolzzzzzzzz. No wonder we are in such a state with political commentators like you on their case.

Hugh Midde wrote:

I must admit I know little about Richard Sharp other than he was a paid adviser to both Boris when Mayor of London and the current chancellor. Former BBC Chairman Chris Patton was no friend of the current government, even calling it "English Nationalist. The present chairman Tim Davie appears to be taking no orders from anyone when you consider he backed this lady....

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If you don't fancy keir Starmer then who is there? As for Tory attempts to shift focus, could it not be a party after all? Wasn't indoor socialising against the law? could your view be wrong....

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As for the Angela Rayner joking about herself, didn't she admit to four fellow MP's that it was all about trying to put the Prime Minister off his stroke? (pardon the pun). If you don't like Starmer as Labour leader, could you imagine what Her Maj would be thinking having to meet her every week should she ever become Prime Minister. Strewth!

Which brings me to Lord Rothermere, there is no excuse for the man - as if he hasn't enough money as it is. However, as for tax-free offshore trusts, well, it seems that even the left are at it....

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I know little about Kuenssberg other than she been accused of being both left and right wing....

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Finally, it's been a long night and my asthma is playing up a mite. Nick Robinson, Kuenssberg's predecessor....

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The fact that ex-tories are slamming the current regieme doesn't make them "lefty inclined shysters" (your words) it just indicates how incompetent and extreme the current government are that even some lifelong Tories are starting to back away from them. The bottom line is that the senior figures in the BBC are stacked with people who have connections with the Conservative party. Many of them may well be anti Brexit, but they are still Tories.

I wouldn't care much about what the Queen thinks about who is PM. Her and her family will be fine whoever is in power, as long as they can keep themselves away from any more teenage girls or Jimmy Savile types. Either Rayner or Starmer, imperfect as they are, would be better than the current lot of criminals who are running the country. Until we get a PR voting system we are going to be stuck with selecting the lesser of two evils.

Socialising wasn't allowed, but work events were. The Police's opinion is that there wasn't a case to answer for that instance because it was a 'work event' - the same thing opinion they gave for Johnson's garden party 'work event' which was the first one to appear in the news. Unfortunately for nbr 10, it's since become evdent there was a host of other parties that went on which clearly weren't work events, hence the fines being dished out.

Earwegoagain wrote:

seadog wrote:

Probably waiting for the Sue Gray questionnaire, lolz

Your lack of consistency is really quite staggering, two sides of the same coin but in your Brexit blinkered eyes then Kier is ok lolzzzzzzzz. No wonder we are in such a state with political commentators like you on their case.

Lol, how can you get a Brexit reference out of that?

You won mate, no freedom of movement, free trade, no migrants crossing the channel, £350 million a week to the NHS, British farmers and fishermen in clover, Blue Passports made in France and printed in Poland, cheaper electricity and gas, enjoy it FFS!

Flat_Track_Bully wrote:

Hugh Midde wrote:

I must admit I know little about Richard Sharp other than he was a paid adviser to both Boris when Mayor of London and the current chancellor. Former BBC Chairman Chris Patton was no friend of the current government, even calling it "English Nationalist. The present chairman Tim Davie appears to be taking no orders from anyone when you consider he backed this lady....

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If you don't fancy keir Starmer then who is there? As for Tory attempts to shift focus, could it not be a party after all? Wasn't indoor socialising against the law? could your view be wrong....

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As for the Angela Rayner joking about herself, didn't she admit to four fellow MP's that it was all about trying to put the Prime Minister off his stroke? (pardon the pun). If you don't like Starmer as Labour leader, could you imagine what Her Maj would be thinking having to meet her every week should she ever become Prime Minister. Strewth!

Which brings me to Lord Rothermere, there is no excuse for the man - as if he hasn't enough money as it is. However, as for tax-free offshore trusts, well, it seems that even the left are at it....

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I know little about Kuenssberg other than she been accused of being both left and right wing....

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Finally, it's been a long night and my asthma is playing up a mite. Nick Robinson, Kuenssberg's predecessor....

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The fact that ex-tories are slamming the current regieme doesn't make them "lefty inclined shysters" (your words) it just indicates how incompetent and extreme the current government are that even some lifelong Tories are starting to back away from them. The bottom line is that the senior figures in the BBC are stacked with people who have connections with the Conservative party. Many of them may well be anti Brexit, but they are still Tories.

I wouldn't care much about what the Queen thinks about who is PM. Her and her family will be fine whoever is in power, as long as they can keep themselves away from any more teenage girls or Jimmy Savile types. Either Rayner or Starmer, imperfect as they are, would be better than the current lot of criminals who are running the country. Until we get a PR voting system we are going to be stuck with selecting the lesser of two evils.

Socialising wasn't allowed, but work events were. The Police's opinion is that there wasn't a case to answer for that instance because it was a 'work event' - the same thing opinion they gave for Johnson's garden party 'work event' which was the first one to appear in the news. Unfortunately for nbr 10, it's since become evdent there was a host of other parties that went on which clearly weren't work events, hence the fines being dished out.

Keep up the tit for tat keep voting for the lesser of two evils prolong the agony. Politics is fooked don't buy into it, spoil your ballot papers at the very least but please don't vote for either of them they are all peas in a pod. We need change,massive change with a constitution and the first rule needs to be that you break the rules you are out of a job for life, (in which case then all the people you mentioned including Starmer and Raynor would be in the old boy dole queue) never mind PR we need a revolution. cnuts the lot of them.

seadog wrote:

Earwegoagain wrote:

seadog wrote:

Probably waiting for the Sue Gray questionnaire, lolz

Your lack of consistency is really quite staggering, two sides of the same coin but in your Brexit blinkered eyes then Kier is ok lolzzzzzzzz. No wonder we are in such a state with political commentators like you on their case.

Lol, how can you get a Brexit reference out of that?

You won mate, no freedom of movement, free trade, no migrants crossing the channel, £350 million a week to the NHS, British farmers and fishermen in clover, Blue Passports made in France and printed in Poland, cheaper electricity and gas, enjoy it FFS!

The Brexit reference came from after you mentioned it on the Brexit thread about ten minutes ago, you are still obsessed with it. I know you can't cope with the fact that I won lol. Still celebrating.

Enjoy.

Earwegoagain wrote:

Keyholder wrote:

The sooner the leftist, woke hounding of innocent Doris stops the better, who else could lead us through this war?

I see "the answer" also known as Sir Kier Starmer is still wriggling like a fish on a hook and refusing to answer any questions with a straight answer regarding his own lockdown Curry and Beer night.

The correct answer of course is Starmer been investigated by the police who have decided to take no further action. No amount of Daily Mail headlines is going to influence that.

The fine issued to Johnson was apparently the lesser of the 9 potential breaches, the MET currently are not releasing any details over who has been fined until after purdah ends later. One of which was in his own flat. The Sue Gray report is likely to be scathing of the culture in downing street during lockdown.

Of course the fact that one event took place during original lockdown and the other in 2021 when different rules applied is also going unremarked. Nor is the fact that this is the third time that the Right Wing trash press have tried to make something of it, showing how little they have got on him.

FFS!