AFT meets with Tudor Evans about Higher Home Park

A total it's my train set statement from James Brent. Stapleton's board would have been vilified for releasing such a non statement.

End of October mushrooms.

THE CHRIS WEBB SPEAKS.....

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Feel a bit sorry for Starnes now - poor fcuker been sold down the swanny and stuck out front as the bullshite deflector. Didn't realise he lives in the next village to us near Sherborne - should have stayed at Yeovil!!

The Club Statement....

PAFC on the baggo wrote:

THE directors of Plymouth Argyle Football Club Ltd...
...note the summary of the points discussed with the Leader of PCC, in the statement issued today, August 28, by the Argyle Fans Trust.

The directors acknowledge the delay in the HHP development, but feel that these minutes contain a number of misunderstandings.

That said, they do not propose to dwell on the details, as this would not be productive at this stage.

However, the directors would like to confirm that they are working closely and enthusiastically with PCC in order to achieve satisfactory solutions relating to both the new grandstand and the balloon payment.

Discussions are well advanced. Further statements are planned by the end of October.

The directors remain confident about the prospects for the club for this year and beyond.

Tudor Evans said: “I met with the Argyle Fans Trust to explain some of the background to this issue as there has been some misunderstanding about the Council’s role. The City Council and PAFC are continuing to work closely together on the plans for Higher Home Park for the benefit not only of the club but for Plymouth as a whole.”

The club will be making no further statement relating to these minutes.

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Talk about pulling up the drawbridge. A public relations disaster.


The PASCA meeting should get interesting.

Bandwagon wrote:

Feel a bit sorry for Starnes now - poor fcuker been sold down the swanny and stuck out front as the bullshite deflector. Didn't realise he lives in the next village to us near Sherborne - should have stayed at Yeovil!!

top quality administrator from a league above !



yeovil the place we used to loan youth players to now we recruit their players & CEO's!

Depends if the superfan and the hired muscle disrupt the PAVcSA meeting James may then just walk out

Rickler wrote:

The Club Statement....

PAFC on the baggo wrote:

THE directors of Plymouth Argyle Football Club Ltd...
...note the summary of the points discussed with the Leader of PCC, in the statement issued today, August 28, by the Argyle Fans Trust.

The directors acknowledge the delay in the HHP development, but feel that these minutes contain a number of misunderstandings.

That said, they do not propose to dwell on the details, as this would not be productive at this stage.

However, the directors would like to confirm that they are working closely and enthusiastically with PCC in order to achieve satisfactory solutions relating to both the new grandstand and the balloon payment.

Discussions are well advanced. Further statements are planned by the end of October.

The directors remain confident about the prospects for the club for this year and beyond.

Tudor Evans said: “I met with the Argyle Fans Trust to explain some of the background to this issue as there has been some misunderstanding about the Council’s role. The City Council and PAFC are continuing to work closely together on the plans for Higher Home Park for the benefit not only of the club but for Plymouth as a whole.”

The club will be making no further statement relating to these minutes.

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Talk about pulling up the drawbridge.  A public relations disaster.


The PASCA meeting should get interesting.

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Czarcasm wrote:

THE CHRIS WEBB SPEAKS.....

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And he's not using his Don't Panic account either.

Think he may have been expecting more support than he's getting on pasoti. I would have expected a professional communicator to have handled this better!

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Webb is either a complete stooge or completely clueless and is probably both.

Brent would never in a million years have told the AFT what Tudor just did.  It probably had got to the stage where Tudor has said to Brent you either tell em or I am going to have to.  

Yet Webb now wants everyone sat down together to discuss it all openly.  Chris...  Brent doesn't do 'openly'.  He does 'Bullshit', which you may swallow and like the taste of, but don't try to con the rest of us into partaking.

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Czarcasm wrote:

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Webb is either a complete stooge or completely clueless and is probably both.

Brent would never in a million years have told the AFT what Tudor just did.  It probably had got to the stage where Tudor has said to Brent you either tell em or I am going to have to.  

Yet Webb now wants everyone sat down together to discuss it all openly.  Chris...  Brent doesn't do 'openly'.  He does 'Bullshit', which you may swallow and like the taste of, but don't try to con the rest of us into partaking.

I can understand to a degree the loyalty Webb has towards the fella who bestowed the Presidency upon him. But shorely we are at the point now where Webby must realise he is doing himself and his reputation no good at all by clutching at straws to defend Brent.

Even Napoleon has kept his trotters from the keyboard today.

After hammering The Chris Webb on Twitter greensam is giving him another seeing to on pasoti. Well done Sam who has argued his point well unlike the club president who has tried to muddy the waters with misinformation.

Czarcasm wrote:

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His statement and his subsequent responses are facile and completely miss the point. I doubt for a second that the Trust expected how candid Tudor has been when the had there long awaited meeting. All the venerable Mr Evans did was fill a void and vacuum of the clubs making.

I'm a Trust member and completely agree with how the Trust has handled this. As it happens I left the Trust over Chris Webb's leadership so he has little in my opinion to offer the current Trust on how it runs it's affair (let alone his own catalogues of failures PASB Forza Verde Painted Post Boxes all RIP to which you can add his treatment of a fellow fan who didn't tow the party line, his deleted tweets of today, his moribund Presidents Progress, his Greenman Windsor Boy persona etc etc). In any case he's not lead the Trust in times of peace and would be useless at it even if he hadn't given up for a parking space and a seat in the directors box.

He calls his tweets to Sam today banter but the snidely question about the Trust membership was designed to shift the position and put Sam on the back foot. It was almost a bully boy tactic borne out of brawls in Union negotiations. Total bad form. And indicative of someone losing a debate against a more worthy, clued up and erudite opponent.

By his own words if he wants to speak to the Trust he should have done it in private and trying to be populace and playing to a largely still smitten Brent/Webb crowd.

He says nothing about the lack of info from the club and evidently doesn't what or feel able to challenge them to come out and answer some very pertinent and urgent concerns. I must say I don't believe for a second that any of this was news to The Webb or his nearest and dearest SUPERfans. I find them as cupable in this continuing fiasco as the what appears to be a sycophantic board (whatever has happened to Peter Jones - so so disappointing).

Rickler wrote:

Czarcasm wrote:

THE CHRIS WEBB SPEAKS.....

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Webb is either a complete stooge or completely clueless and is probably both.

Brent would never in a million years have told the AFT what Tudor just did.  It probably had got to the stage where Tudor has said to Brent you either tell em or I am going to have to.  

Yet Webb now wants everyone sat down together to discuss it all openly.  Chris...  Brent doesn't do 'openly'.  He does 'Bullshit', which you may swallow and like the taste of, but don't try to con the rest of us into partaking.

wasnt webb going to resign ? sell out

green sam has never been seen by me to be anything other than pro brent.

i was wrong.

Czarcasm wrote:

Rickler wrote:

Czarcasm wrote:

THE CHRIS WEBB SPEAKS.....

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Webb is either a complete stooge or completely clueless and is probably both.

Brent would never in a million years have told the AFT what Tudor just did.  It probably had got to the stage where Tudor has said to Brent you either tell em or I am going to have to.  

Yet Webb now wants everyone sat down together to discuss it all openly.  Chris...  Brent doesn't do 'openly'.  He does 'Bullshit', which you may swallow and like the taste of, but don't try to con the rest of us into partaking.

I can understand to a degree the loyalty Webb has towards the fella who bestowed the Presidency upon him. But shorely we are at the point now where Webby must realise he is doing himself and his reputation no good at all by clutching at straws to defend Brent.

Even Napoleon has kept his trotters from the keyboard today.

no doubt a tirade will appear soon enough

But The Chris says he's spoken to James and Tudor today and none of the points stated by the AFT are true. Who to believe, 3 charlatans or an honest, articulate young man called Sam ? not a tough one for me.

so the trust will be sued for libel ?

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But Chris says he's spoken to James and Tudor today and none of the points stated by the AFT are true. Who to believe, 3 charlatans or an honest, articulate young man called Sam ? not a tough one for me.

The buck passing has begun.  It wasnt Tudors fault apparently he wasn't briefed correctly by his staff.  Those minions are being sought out to be reprimanded as we speak.  

Again it's an old trick when the head teacher is caught with his pants down just blame everyone else.  Plymouth safe in Tudors hands? - not really if he can't get something so seemingly simple right.  

Still can't get over how quickly Brent and Tudor answered The The The Webb's phone calls.  If only they showed the same enthusiasm for fans and council tax payers or even The Trust.

Chris Webb seems to be missing a number of points here.

1. He would probably be the one driving AFT policy had he not quit his position but he did so he isn't.

2. As club president he is supposed to represent the club not necessarily the owner of the club.

3. AFT is accountable to its members, consults its membership and acts in the interests of that membership unlike either him or James Brent who are accountable, apparently, to nobody.

4. Similarly Tudor Evans. As a democratically elected councillor he is obliged to be publicly accountable to his electorate.

5. As council leader Tudor Evans has been incredibly supportive of Mr Brent and has invested several million pounds of council tax payers' hard-earned money which (being resident in the city unlike Mr Webb) has resulted in my council tax bill being higher and the services provided somewhat worse than might have been the case.

6. Brent's PR team have been completely bloody useless. Either they are explicitly following instruction and implementing a carefully planned strategy (in which case it is Brent's fault) or they are complete numbskulls and should never have been hired (in which case it is Brent's fault).

7. The plan is failing not because of the council, which has been incredibly supportive, or the fans, who have been incredibly patient, but because Brent seems to have either ignored very good advice (often freely given) or surrounded himself with a bunch of sycophantic yes men with no facility for critical evaluation at all and have allowed him to pile all of his chips on a number that was never likely to come up. Or maybe they have tried and Brent is just a complete feckin idiot (in which case it is Brent's fault).

Speaking for myself only I am sick to death of being treated like a mushroom by being kept in the dark and occasionally sprinkled with buillshit. For pity's sake trust us as fans, consult us - genuinely consult us not like that abomination that was "HHP consultation" - and deliver on those welcome and fantastic promises re corporate governance, openness and transparency that he himself made at the Guildhall.

Brent could start by accepting Webb's resignation (presumably it was offered over the return of Wrathall to the board?) and offering AFT 2 places on the board immediately along with 20% of the shares, free of charge, just like he should have when, unbidden, he made all those unfulfilled Guildhall promises.

I don't think you're only speaking for yourself, Sir.

FFS there is no such phenomena as 'superfans'. El Presidente has voiced that mantra for quite some time now. The pasoti owner has dissappeared, perhaps unable to face the fact that he's backed an apparent Walter Mitty character, who to be fair has bumped up his own pension pot nicely without spending any money. El Prez, despite the myth of superfans, has been on the batphone to both Tudor and little Jimmy and without actually saying any particular point made in the statement is wrong, insists that it's made of assumptions and a liberal use of facts or information. Nikkk, whichever personality he is today, says that the AFT is wrong to publish without a counter argument from the Theatre of Groans.

Basically, the argument for little Jimmy is the AFT were mean to him, but he's really brilliant because we've looked him in the eye. You don't know him, we (us superfans) do. He really cares about the club, the supporters, the redevelopment of Plymouth. He's a wonderful philanthropic superowner. He's not only in it for one thing at all, I mean it's not as if all bankers are only concerned with money and the bottom line is it?

Rant over for now.

Steve

Edited to add: I take it that El Pres, back from his pasoti exile is the clubs, I mean little Jimmys PR department.

Is Brent still doing the ice bucket challenge or was that a misunderstanding?

Hugh Watt wrote:

Is Brent still doing the ice bucket challenge or was that a misunderstanding?

He's still doing it but not necessarily at Home Park. That ice bucket can be situated anywhere in Plymouth.

I watched a Channel 4 program on psychopaths last week. They discussed corporate psychopaths (as opposed to criminal psychopaths) and the number 1 profession for these types was banking...just saying like. Corporate psychopaths 'kill' companies without little guilt for the employees etc (no empathy). The way the fans are treated by Argyle and Brent there certainly seems to be no empathy or care these days.