The latest Grandstand delay excuse......

Apparently, breeze blocks are more expensive at the minute.....

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If, as Newell insinuates, the price of blocks is an actual bone fide factor in the build not happening yet, it just adds more weight to the theory that Brent is properly struggling to put together the finance to get this off the ground.

There's hope yet bheys!

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£0.92 each and I've not shopped around yet or phoned them up to get 50,000 at a knock down per unit price.

Newell as usual, being 'in the know' and making things up.

Perhaps somebody who knows about this stuff could confirm, but it's my understanding that the main contractor picks up any additional costs - materials, labour etc - and not the developer. When contracts are signed, they stipulate the price the developer will pay the main contractor for the job - and most contractors will have known about the projected rise in construction materials for a while (not to mention the skills shortage which some of us were flagging up at least eight years ago) so if they didn't take them into account in their price they can't be very good.

More to the point, though, it doesn't matter how much breeze blocks cost if you can't lay them - and there haven't been too many days lately when they could be laid. This is not the time of year to start any major development, even if all the tenants were in place.

You have to hand it to him, he has a sense of humour

Stalling methods and excuses are getting pretty mundane now. Still, look how far we've come. 

Maybe he should have looked at the price of concrete in the potteries instead of watching port vale?

Oh how I long for the day when concrete blocks will be cheaper, anyone know when that will be?  

GOB wrote:

Oh how I long for the day when concrete blocks will be cheaper, anyone know when that will be?  

Not saying it was a delaying tactic or excuse, or even the same scenario, but wasn't there some sort of furore about rising steel prices when Phase 1 was built 400 years ago?

Maybe he's waiting for January when he can employ loads of Lithuanian & Bulgarian "economic migrants" to build the stand for next to nothing. All those signed up tenants won't wait forever....Oh, hang on  

I'd rather hear crap 'excuses' than the sound of bulldozers. Long may they continue. Right up to the point brent slithers away without boxing in the club and defacing central park.

So  concrete blocks going up 30 pence a block, is going to scupper posh jimmy's shit village with a shit stand complex supposedly costing millions?no wonder the banker, runs rings round the wankers!.

Peggy wrote:

Perhaps somebody who knows about this stuff could confirm, but it's my understanding that the main contractor picks up any additional costs - materials, labour etc - and not the developer. When contracts are signed, they stipulate the price the developer will pay the main contractor for the job - and most contractors will have known about the projected rise in construction materials for a while (not to mention the skills shortage which some of us were flagging up at least eight years ago) so if they didn't take them into account in their price they can't be very good.

More to the point, though, it doesn't matter how much breeze blocks cost if you can't lay them - and there haven't been too many days lately when they could be laid. This is not the time of year to start any major development, even if all the tenants were in place.

Yes, the main contractor pays for materials


this is a whole load of shit, if indeed this is really the reason for the delay, then its brent fault for handing this straight to kier without carrying out a tender process and allowing the big construction firms to bid for the works ONCE they have priced it.


Instead brent has placed all his eggs in one basket and now he is stuck with them without preforming the correct due-diligence

GOB wrote:

You have to hand it to him, he has a sense of humour

Pity he doesn't use it.

I refer back to my last post about Oldway Mansions

Well, if Brent can't find it in the budget, he'll just have to make the grandstand smaller...

Continued delays very welcome, the longer the better! Do the job properly or not at all.

Love this one :

gaspargomez
Post subject: Re: Granstand Prediction.PostPosted: Fri Nov 08, 2013 12:30 am
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The Home Park development is a very complex project to sort out- these things take a lot of time.

But I am certain the developments will happen. That's the main reason matey came here, isn't it ?


Can just picture Napoleon wriggling at the reference to the fine gentleman who allows him to play with his train set, being referred to as 'matey' !  

Peggy wrote:

Perhaps somebody who knows about this stuff could confirm, but it's my understanding that the main contractor picks up any additional costs - materials, labour etc - and not the developer. When contracts are signed, they stipulate the price the developer will pay the main contractor for the job - and most contractors will have known about the projected rise in construction materials for a while (not to mention the skills shortage which some of us were flagging up at least eight years ago) so if they didn't take them into account in their price they can't be very good.

More to the point, though, it doesn't matter how much breeze blocks cost if you can't lay them - and there haven't been too many days lately when they could be laid. This is not the time of year to start any major development, even if all the tenants were in place.

I doubt Kier have finalised contracts yet, given the amount of outstanding detail yet to be signed off with PCC and their price will only be going one way.
It would probably suit Kier to delay the start of the project until some of their management currently tied up with the Incinerator (have they found an ash plant yet?) can be freed up.

There is some merit in the lack of skilled labour angle, as the Hemerdon Mine scheme will be drawing in a lot of construction workers over next 18 months.

I shouldn't worry too much about the weather at the moment Peggy. Even if they do start imminently the first 2-3 months of scheme will be ground clearance and foundation piling with gert big Tonka toys.

Anyway, until I read the Herald headlines "NCP sign up to £10M HHP deal" and / or "Ice World(?) sign up to £5M HHP deal" this is all bluster IMHO.

GG - If you had to make a prediction now about where we'll be in say 3 years time what would you say?

As plans are now, nothing or something in between?

So now Brenty will not be starting his development until the price of concrete block comes down. Have I really got this right because if it is right, it will probably be a few years yet before the cost of a concrete block comes down, when's the next recession due?

A few weeks have passed since 'matey' had his last attention fix and I wondered how long it would be before he could no longer resist those powerful urges that he has. The Farm is dead on its arse unless you want to debate the latest loan signing possibility, he can't bully because there is nobody left to bully, he can't even argue because nobody is taking his bait. I think this is just a very desperate attempt to promote something contentious so that he can abuse anyone that takes an opposing line.

There is no doubt that Brenty appears to be stalling and something isn't right, but the problem isn't the cost of a concrete block, unless of course Brenty gained his costing figures using the same method that he used to work out average attendances.

Ignore him and sit back and wait for his next popcorn moment, it's due!

The popcorn barometer, as with all football clubs, is based upon results. How many green and gold scarves were waving during Man Utd's title celebrations? The campaign against Nicola Cortese seems to have died a death at Southampton...I wonder why?

If, and it is a big if after 6 lucky points, we turn a tide and start climbing the league to at least top half/play off outsiders all dissent will be off the agenda for most. Where Newell is on a loser (and far more likely to go on one) is when "critical friends" such as Graham Clark, Stuart C and a few others start making sensible fact based arguments.

If you can get 2 or 3 of them on the same thread at the same time then we have popcorn time.

I did the weekly shop yesterday. I picked up two extra packets of Butterkist. There's now 3 packets in the cupboard and I'm off this weekend. Let's hope Newell and De-Liar explode this weekend.

Did you get that De-lar? We know for a fact you scour over every word posted on here. Our Pisspoti moles have confirmed this. Sad, sad, sad individual. 

hairy j wrote:

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£0.92 each and I've not shopped around yet or phoned them up to get 50,000 at a knock down per unit price.

Newell as usual, being 'in the know' and making things up.

Unwittingly, from a private conversation, I have got drawn into this so I thought it appropriate to state the facts.

The prices quoted by Ian Newell are for typical LABOUR costs not the cost of the blocks themselves. It was an illustration of the volatility of labour and material costs in the south west. Already there are significant material shortages and delivery delays in some parts of the south west..

Anyone, involved in the construction industry like myself (for the last 30 years in the south west) will be all too aware of the very sudden (within the last three months) increase in labour and material costs as many projects in the south west that have been impacted by the recession are either now commencing or about to commence. Simply, the industry is not geared up locally to respond to such a pendulum swing.

I have no personal knowledge of what impact this all may have on the future of the HHP development and its likely commencement date other than it must be a factor in the negotiations between the main contractor and sub-contractors.

So in other words, the fiasco is on hold until there is high unemployment in the construction Industry and materials are over produced?

Presumably these cost will be the same for the Millbay and Civic Centre tower block?

POI, my advice is that you get a few years supply of popcorn in!

IF jimmy's a bit short of cash, perhaps his jester could auction a few concrete blocks!nikkkkkkkkkkkkkk might pitch in and buy ten grands worth!