New signing on deadline day -- Timmy Abraham

Argyle have secured the deadline day loan signing of highly-rated Fulham striker Timmy Abraham.

The young striker, 19, joins Ryan Lowe’s Pilgrims from the Premier League side until January.

Abraham, the younger brother of Chelsea and England striker Tammy, began his career in the Academy at Charlton Athletic, before joining the Craven Cottage outfit in 2017.

Timmy has been a regular in Fulham’s under-23 set-up, alongside fellow Argyle loanee Jerome Opoku, who joined the Pilgrims last month.

The London-born striker netted twice in two appearances in the EFL Trophy last season, as well as scoring against Argyle in Fulham’s 2-0 victory over the Pilgrims in the Premier League Cup in November 2019.

In January 2020, Timmy joined Sky Bet League One side Bristol Rovers, making four appearances before the season was curtailed due to the coronavirus.

Abraham will wear the no.29 shirt during the Pilgrims’ 20/21 Sky Bet League One campaign.

Deal subject to EFL approval.

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Welcome Timmy.

This could be some signing.

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First team squad now numbers 26 (I think) which means 2 things:

1 A lot of players aren't going to be getting much game time

2. Bit difficult for the Club to plead poverty when RL keeps stacking & racking players

Grovehill wrote:

First team squad now numbers 26 (I think) which means 2 things:

1 A lot of players aren't going to be getting much game time

2. Bit difficult for the Club to plead poverty when RL keeps stacking & racking players

For fecks sake...  Pay attention.  There is a squad wage cap!

Rickler wrote:

Grovehill wrote:

First team squad now numbers 26 (I think) which means 2 things:

1 A lot of players aren't going to be getting much game time

2. Bit difficult for the Club to plead poverty when RL keeps stacking & racking players

For fecks sake...  Pay attention.  There is a squad wage cap!

Any opportunity to wack the club and Groveys there.

FFS some people are hyper sensitive-seeing critisism where none is intended.

With respect to wages, all I'm saying is that while the EFL are going cap in hand to the PL for a handout, PAFC (like several other Clubs) are merrily supporting/placating their Managers by adding more players to their payroll.

As for squad size, I would like to think that good Managers and coaches (at any Club) would, especially in the current circumstances, be keener that ever to develop the talent already at their disposal, rather than create large squads that by there very nature, restrict the development of their younger players.

I expect that next time the Govt is asked to support struggling football Clubs, they (the Govt) point to the long list of signings made this season and laugh.

Grovehill wrote:

FFS some people are hyper sensitive-seeing critisism where none is intended.

With respect to wages, all I'm saying is that while the EFL are going cap in hand to the PL for a handout, PAFC (like several other Clubs) are merrily supporting/placating their Managers by adding more players to their payroll.

As for squad size, I would like to think that good Managers and coaches (at any Club) would, especially in the current circumstances, be keener that ever to develop the talent already at their disposal, rather than create large squads that by there very nature, restrict the development of their younger players.

Bullshit. You weren't saying that at all. You made not mention of the EFL. The points you raised were aimed specifically at Argyle.

You had obviously forgotten about the EFL squad salary cap. A cap (I'll remind you) that is almost identical to Argyle's playing budget last year A budget that many fans even last year described as insufficient investment.

As for the younger players... Several of the youngsters have turned out for the first team this season in non league matches.

Nobody can say Lowe doesn’t give the youth a try, as he has said many times, if they’re good enough they’re old enough.

As for the younger players...  Several of the youngsters have turned out for the first team this season in non league matches.[/quote]



So, basically, first team experience, but not actually in the first team

Graiser wrote:

Nobody can say Lowe doesn’t give the youth a try, as he has said many times, if they’re good enough they’re old enough.

But the reality is that he has got several loanees in, who block the youngsters route to the first team.

Grovehill wrote:

Graiser wrote:

Nobody can say Lowe doesn’t give the youth a try, as he has said many times, if they’re good enough they’re old enough.

But the reality is that he has got several loanees in, who block the youngsters route to the first team.

if they are ready they will get their chance if they need a bit of experienced like randall they will go out on loan its very simple. not every youngster wbo makes the yts grade is going to be a first team regular

Grovehill wrote:

Graiser wrote:

Nobody can say Lowe doesn’t give the youth a try, as he has said many times, if they’re good enough they’re old enough.

But the reality is that he has got several loanees in, who block the youngsters route to the first team.

They’re not blocking them, at the moment just better than them.

Our academy has been mismanaged at best during previous managerial tenures, it can’t be turned around in one or two seasons.
Dewsnip has stated only this week that the measurement of youth progress is that at least one player per season from the academy makes his full team debut, that’s been achieved already this season and more.

Looks like to me this is a good signing, Ryan is definitely investing in yoof, I feel really optimistic where Argo are heading (despite the Covid situation) coming together nicely.

Graiser wrote:

Grovehill wrote:

Graiser wrote:

Nobody can say Lowe doesn’t give the youth a try, as he has said many times, if they’re good enough they’re old enough.

But the reality is that he has got several loanees in, who block the youngsters route to the first team.

They’re not blocking them, at the moment just better than them.

Our academy has been mismanaged at best during previous managerial tenures, it can’t be turned around in one or two seasons.
Dewsnip has stated only this week that the measurement of youth progress is that at least one player per season from the academy makes his full team debut, that’s been achieved already this season and more.

first team managers don't usual dictate the running of a youth academy beyond their wants in terms of how he wants them to play in order to make the first team but beyond that it has been poorly run more so under brent and hodges not that it was much cop before hand bar a couple of exceptions that made our team and that's not including the ones who were sold to bigger clubs for peanuts instead of making our team first at least.

you are very right its not going to be turned around in one or two seasons but certainly dewsnip and the academy staff are laying down the foundations in that time so we can start producing a better crop more often and this time we wont be so keen to flog them to other clubs for peanuts.

First thoughts expressed by 1 or 2 others was fxxx me another signing

Salary cap or otherwise Ryan Lowe is certainly ramping up. Not been this much optimism for a decade at least

We may not actually be paying much of the wages of the 5 loan players, so the wages thing may not be an issue. There is definitely an issue with the squad size though.

Hardie, Macleod and Camara were all signed recently, I think they are all fit, and yet neither of them made the 18 against Burton. Opoku was also signed recently and has barely featured. Now we have added another body to the squad. Does seem a bit like the Adams era that we make a lot of signings and then don't play half of them.

The arrival of Abrahams sounds like it'll improve the squad, but it'll probably push Lolos further away from getting a game which is a shame as he sounds a prospect. Not sure where it leaves Hardie either as feels like there are now 5 strikers ahead of him.

Hardie couldn't play because of Covid.

MacLeod....injured.

Camara....injured.

So at such a time a large squad is beneficial.

Grovehill wrote:

As for the younger players...  Several of the youngsters have turned out for the first team this season in non league matches.

So, basically, first team experience, but not actually in the first team[/quote]

The experience of playing even in a lower level first team was certainly of much benefit to Jephcott last season and hopefully the same will be the case with Adam Randell at Torquay-seems a very sensible way of progressing development.Lowe can't really be criticised for neglecting young players-they are definitely getting more opprtunities now than was the case with Sheridan or Adams and there were plenty of people around who said that Argyle should sign an off-the-shelf goalkeeper rather than give Cooper an extended run so there may be an element of damned if he does,damned if he doesn't there. Anyway loan signings can be highly beneficial-as a fellow old sweat you would doubtless recall how Kevin Godfrey kick started our season after a slump in the 1985-86 season or how in more recent times players such as Bryan,Banton,Garita,Kennedy,Tanner,Bakinson,Hardie etc have played a part in both keeping Argyle in the football league and eventually participating in promotion campaigns.

zyph wrote:

Hardie couldn't play because of Covid.

MacLeod....injured.

Camara....injured.

So at such a time a large squad is beneficial.

Agreed. more so, we struggled for goals upfront with Hardie is struggling, Telford needing to more clinical when he gets the space, Jephcott 2 in 2 with a spell injured so hes ok, Nouble isn't a goalscorer by all accounts and Lolos hasn't played so signing Abraham may help in that regarded.

Only in Grovey-World can the signing of a striker courted by Borussia Dortmund, be lamented....because it may limit the chances of Klaidi Lolos.



That really is a measure of how few sticks there are left lying around to beat the club with.

Greenskin wrote:

Grovehill wrote:

As for the younger players...  Several of the youngsters have turned out for the first team this season in non league matches.

So, basically, first team experience, but not actually in the first team

The experience of playing even in a lower level first team was certainly of much benefit to Jephcott last season and hopefully the same will be the case with Adam Randell at Torquay-seems a very sensible way of progressing development.Lowe can't really be criticised for neglecting young players-they are definitely getting more opprtunities now than was the case with Sheridan or Adams and there were plenty of people around who said that Argyle should sign an off-the-shelf goalkeeper rather than give Cooper an extended run so there may be an element of damned if he does,damned if he doesn't there. Anyway loan signings can be highly beneficial-as a fellow old sweat you would doubtless recall how Kevin Godfrey kick started our season after a slump in the 1985-86 season or how in more recent times players such as Bryan,Banton,Garita,Kennedy,Tanner,Bakinson,Hardie etc have played a part in both keeping Argyle in the football league and eventually participating in promotion campaigns.[/quote]

I can also remember Reuben Reid moving on to get a taste of first team football-there's one who has come back to bite us in the ass a few times! Ashley Barnes struggled to get a game for PAFC as well, went away and did OK, I think!

But you also have to look at it from the viewpoint of the promising schoolkids. Sign for PAFC and in a year or two get sent to TUFC etc., why not just sign for the other Club in the first place and get a whole lot more first team time rather than keep getting shunted down the pecking order by guys who are not really interested in playing for the Club?

Can't see the logic of the managers & coaches who think it's good for a player to spend a few months "away" being coached by another guy-especially if that "other" guy got the boot to make way for you!

Grovehill wrote:

Greenskin wrote:

Grovehill wrote:

As for the younger players...  Several of the youngsters have turned out for the first team this season in non league matches.

So, basically, first team experience, but not actually in the first team

The experience of playing even in a lower level first team was certainly of much benefit to Jephcott last season and hopefully the same will be the case with Adam Randell at Torquay-seems a very sensible way of progressing development.Lowe can't really be criticised for neglecting young players-they are definitely getting more opprtunities now than was the case with Sheridan or Adams and there were plenty of people around who said that Argyle should sign an off-the-shelf goalkeeper rather than give Cooper an extended run so there may be an element of damned if he does,damned if he doesn't there. Anyway loan signings can be highly beneficial-as a fellow old sweat you would doubtless recall how Kevin Godfrey kick started our season after a slump in the 1985-86 season or how in more recent times players such as Bryan,Banton,Garita,Kennedy,Tanner,Bakinson,Hardie etc have played a part in both keeping Argyle in the football league and eventually participating in promotion campaigns.

I can also remember Reuben Reid moving on to get a taste of first team football-there's one who has come back to bite us in the ass a few times! Ashley Barnes struggled to get a game for PAFC as well, went away and did OK, I think!

But you also have to look at it from the viewpoint of the promising schoolkids. Sign for PAFC and in a year or two get sent to TUFC etc., why not just sign for the other Club in the first place and get a whole lot more first team time rather than keep getting shunted down the pecking order by guys who are not really interested in playing for the Club?

Can't see the logic of the managers & coaches who think it's good for a player to spend a few months "away" being coached by another guy-especially if that "other" guy got the boot to make way for you![/quote]

your post is full og flaws but its game time so im not getting into it right now except to say ashley barnes just came out of non league when we signed him and laoned him out to get league experience with the intention of playing him however the clueless chimp peter reid thought he wouldn't make it here and pushed for the club to accept brightons bid.

Grovehill wrote:

Greenskin wrote:

Grovehill wrote:

As for the younger players...  Several of the youngsters have turned out for the first team this season in non league matches.

So, basically, first team experience, but not actually in the first team

The experience of playing even in a lower level first team was certainly of much benefit to Jephcott last season and hopefully the same will be the case with Adam Randell at Torquay-seems a very sensible way of progressing development.Lowe can't really be criticised for neglecting young players-they are definitely getting more opprtunities now than was the case with Sheridan or Adams and there were plenty of people around who said that Argyle should sign an off-the-shelf goalkeeper rather than give Cooper an extended run so there may be an element of damned if he does,damned if he doesn't there. Anyway loan signings can be highly beneficial-as a fellow old sweat you would doubtless recall how Kevin Godfrey kick started our season after a slump in the 1985-86 season or how in more recent times players such as Bryan,Banton,Garita,Kennedy,Tanner,Bakinson,Hardie etc have played a part in both keeping Argyle in the football league and eventually participating in promotion campaigns.

I can also remember Reuben Reid moving on to get a taste of first team football-there's one who has come back to bite us in the ass a few times! Ashley Barnes struggled to get a game for PAFC as well, went away and did OK, I think!

But you also have to look at it from the viewpoint of the promising schoolkids. Sign for PAFC and in a year or two get sent to TUFC etc., why not just sign for the other Club in the first place and get a whole lot more first team time rather than keep getting shunted down the pecking order by guys who are not really interested in playing for the Club?

Can't see the logic of the managers & coaches who think it's good for a player to spend a few months "away" being coached by another guy-especially if that "other" guy got the boot to make way for you![/quote]

As was stated earlier,some of the loanees have played major parts in the survival and subsequent progress [limited and staccato though it has been] of Argyle,which would seem not to give much credence to the view that they "aren't really interested in playing for the club".Some loans work out,some don't in exactly the same way as permanent transfers and indeed academy products.No guarantee either that players who come through the youth scheme are automatically going to be Argyle loyalists and stick with the club through thick and thin,especially if a rather lucrative offer comes in from clubs higher up the pecking order. I'd have thought that the presence of Cooper and Jephcott in the first team would be a positive factor in persuading potential youth players to commit to Argyle rather than them regarding loan signings as a negative one but we all see things from different angles.