EU referendum...THE RESULT...and aftermath...

The two biggest prophets of doom here make me laugh. One lives in Germany ffs, and the other STILL hasn't grasped that all posting about 50 links, pie charts and Guardian quotes a day does, is bore people shitless to the point that I'd be amazed if more than 10% of ATDers actually bother to click or read any of them.

mouldyoldgoat wrote:

I think what should happen post referendum.

Cameron the quitter should trigger article 50 as soon as possible like tomorrow or at the meeting with the eu leaders this week.

An all party team made up of the leave leaders go to Europe to start negotiations. The Labour lady, Stuart should be the leader/ chair of the team with a high ranking civil servant as well. Someone from all parties who declared they wanted to leave should be in the team. I would also include Fararge as well.

Proper LOL at that avatar Mouldy

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Czarcasm wrote:

The two biggest prophets of doom here make me laugh. One lives in Germany ffs, and the other STILL hasn't grasped that all posting about 50 links, pie charts and Guardian quotes a day does, is bore people shitless to the point that I'd be amazed if more than 10% of ATDers actually bother to click or read any of them.

Maybe that's the problem. People are more likely to believe the "guy down the pub" than do some research to try and ascertain the facts for themsleves !

As for being a prophet of doom, I feel that we have all been conned!

Moist_Von_Lipwig wrote:

Czarcasm wrote:

The two biggest prophets of doom here make me laugh. One lives in Germany ffs, and the other STILL hasn't grasped that all posting about 50 links, pie charts and Guardian quotes a day does, is bore people shitless to the point that I'd be amazed if more than 10% of ATDers actually bother to click or read any of them.

Maybe that's the problem. People are more likely to believe the "guy down the pub" than do some research to try and ascertain the facts for themsleves !

As for being a prophet of doom, I feel that we have all been conned!

The point I was making Moist, was to highlight the utter futility of Frannies campaigning.

People do not read ATD to be relentlessly preached at.

I guess the next few days/weeks/months/years will enable this thread to outperform Pepsi's Word Game thread!!!

The actual likelihood of us leaving the EU are diminishing. There are a number of options available to us none of which are remotely as good a deal as the one we currently have

Moist_Von_Lipwig wrote:

Maybe that's the problem. People are more likely to believe the "guy down the pub"

You keep mentioning this mythical pub!

Are you newly married and she/he (you never know) has barred you from going or are you a reformed Alky?

Rollo Tomasi wrote:

Moist_Von_Lipwig wrote:

Maybe that's the problem. People are more likely to believe the "guy down the pub"

You keep mentioning this mythical pub!

Are you newly married and she/he (you never know) has barred you from going or are you a reformed Alky?

Neither..... free and single and a practicing alky!

Czarcasm wrote:

The two biggest prophets of doom here make me laugh. One lives in Germany ffs, and the other STILL hasn't grasped that all posting about 50 links, pie charts and Guardian quotes a day does, is bore people shitless to the point that I'd be amazed if more than 10% of ATDers actually bother to click or read any of them.

Now ain't that the truth. A trip back in time to pre election days,which admittedly seems a long time ago,and a post from the 22nd June;



"Anyhow......

Whatever the result I will respect it.

I hope that everyone else can do that too".

Three guesses as to who made that post.

Greenskin wrote:

Czarcasm wrote:

The two biggest prophets of doom here make me laugh. One lives in Germany ffs, and the other STILL hasn't grasped that all posting about 50 links, pie charts and Guardian quotes a day does, is bore people shitless to the point that I'd be amazed if more than 10% of ATDers actually bother to click or read any of them.

Now ain't that the truth. A trip back in time to pre election days,which admittedly seems a long time ago,and a post from the 22nd June;



"Anyhow......

Whatever the result I will respect it.

I hope that everyone else can do that too".

Three guesses as to who made that post.

Greenskin wrote:

Czarcasm wrote:

The two biggest prophets of doom here make me laugh. One lives in Germany ffs, and the other STILL hasn't grasped that all posting about 50 links, pie charts and Guardian quotes a day does, is bore people shitless to the point that I'd be amazed if more than 10% of ATDers actually bother to click or read any of them.

Now ain't that the truth. A trip back in time to pre election days,which admittedly seems a long time ago,and a post from the 22nd June;



"Anyhow......

Whatever the result I will respect it.

I hope that everyone else can do that too".

Three guesses as to who made that post.

Me.

But that was pre the lies (broken promises - the day after the vote!!!!). Like it or agree/accept it or not lots of people have been conned.

You may call it democracy, I don't!

Am I the only person that has expressed an opinion here? No.

Isn't the ability to do that essential to the democratic process? It seems not.

But also you are required as an adult, when you vote, to accept the result which ever way it goes.

You seem incapable of doing so.

In the here and now, the daily mail report that haste is the order of the day.

The EU are a tad pushy.

Moist_Von_Lipwig wrote:

Greenskin wrote:

Czarcasm wrote:

The two biggest prophets of doom here make me laugh. One lives in Germany ffs, and the other STILL hasn't grasped that all posting about 50 links, pie charts and Guardian quotes a day does, is bore people shitless to the point that I'd be amazed if more than 10% of ATDers actually bother to click or read any of them.

Now ain't that the truth. A trip back in time to pre election days,which admittedly seems a long time ago,and a post from the 22nd June;



"Anyhow......

Whatever the result I will respect it.

I hope that everyone else can do that too".

Three guesses as to who made that post.

Me.

But that was pre the lies (broken promises - the day after the vote!!!!). Like it or agree/accept it or not lots of people have been conned.

You may call it democracy, I don't!

MvL, I respect your views and hence your disappointment, But... C'mon... In politics how many promises are kept these days? And were these promises made by people in a position to make them?

And it's early days yet, who is to say there won't be another reversal of position?

Moist_Von_Lipwig wrote:

Amsterdamage wrote:

I think the really good thing that will come from this is that the government won't be able to blame any laws on Europe.

As far as I can gather (if I'm wrong, please let me know) is that the vast majotity of these "laws" relate to consumer safety and protection as well as environmental protection. Most of them being administrative.

Also, every major "law" has to be ratified by both the European Parliament and the individual country's parliament.

The UK has representatives in these "law" making bodies.

I don't get where all this "Brussels control" comes from.

Give me say 5 examples where Brussels have "fecked us over"?

I can only think of two off hand at the moment, bananas and fishing. Unless you wish to include Hair dryers, kettles and toasters.

There is also this from 2013.

Moist_Von_Lipwig wrote:

Greenskin wrote:

Czarcasm wrote:

The two biggest prophets of doom here make me laugh. One lives in Germany ffs, and the other STILL hasn't grasped that all posting about 50 links, pie charts and Guardian quotes a day does, is bore people shitless to the point that I'd be amazed if more than 10% of ATDers actually bother to click or read any of them.

Now ain't that the truth. A trip back in time to pre election days,which admittedly seems a long time ago,and a post from the 22nd June;



"Anyhow......

Whatever the result I will respect it.

I hope that everyone else can do that too".

Three guesses as to who made that post.

Me.

But that was pre the lies (broken promises - the day after the vote!!!!). Like it or agree/accept it or not lots of people have been conned.

You may call it democracy, I don't!

The vote was the democracy, are you so obsessively subjective that you can't see even that? People get conned by governments in their manifesto every 5 years-bears shit in the woods, politicians lie,dissemble and break promises. Do you seriously believe that anyone on this site would trust people like Johnson, Gove, Farage etc any further than they could throw them? You're not talking to some 18-24 year old idealist who doesn't know his/her arse from their elbow. I trust them about as much as I trust Cameron, Osborne or any of the other arsewipes who did their level best to blackmail, bully and scare people into voting for their cause during the campaign-they got their answer with a bit of interest added and rightly so. Johnson, IDS and the others are the means to end AFAIC and as long as they get Britain out of the EU, then the end will have been achieved.

mouldyoldgoat wrote:

But also you are required as an adult, when you vote, to accept the result which ever way it goes.

You seem incapable of doing so.

Not at all.

Here's my post on the subject of the result itself. Take note of the opening sentences.

Quote :

There no going back. The referendum has been done. The result is in and that is that.

The saddest part of it all will be the destruction of what we have all grown up with: Great Britain, the United Kingdom... Call it what you will.

There will be a second Scottish referendum. They will vote to leave the Union this time. That'll be the end of Great Britain although I suppose nominally the United Kingdom could survive. Northern Ireland might go too.

Cameron will go down in history as the man who called the referendum that allowed the Union to be destroyed. For a self-avowed "one nation Conservative" that is the biggest and worst failure imaginable.

UKIP will go down in history as a movement that destroyed the UK. It won't have won independence for the UK at all because what it wanted independence for won't exist any more. What it will have done is create a separate English parliament because Wales, N Ireland and Scotland will either be independent or have their own. UKIP, in efect, will have created an English Nationalist State.

We'll, us Brits that is, need a new flag, too. The Union Jack will be meaningless without the Scots being part of what it represents. Might as well just go straight to the cross of St George and bury that thing with the blue in it.

I went to sleep last night as a Plymothian, Devonian, Englishman, Briton and European and woke up to find that I am going to have the last two parts of that taken from me before long.

If, as I do, you loved GB/UK (call it what you will) and you voted Leave then you have destroyed the very thing you profess an affection for.

I'm bound to be ripped into for saying this... well fill your boots. I'm too busy mourning the death of the country that raised me to care.

You guys have not "got your country back" (not that it ever existed or was possible to get back anyway) you have torn it asunder and jumped up and down on the pieces that once constituted it to be left with a pale imitation of what once was once, truly, a great Great Britain.

That is the victory you have won. I hope you think it was worth it.

Anything I've said since is about the aftermath and isn't this the place - and the thread title is something of a clue - to chew such things over?

It's less than an hour until the Far East financial markets open. Do you think Singapore will be up or down?

A question posed like a novice..    

It's where they close that matters.

Greenskin wrote:

The vote was the democracy, are you so obsessively subjective that you can't see even that? People get conned by governments in their manifesto every 5 years-bears shit in the woods, politicians lie,dissemble and break promises. Do you seriously believe that anyone on this site would trust people like Johnson, Gove, Farage etc any further than they could throw them? You're not talking to some 18-24 year old idealist who doesn't know his/her arse from their elbow. I trust them about as much as I trust Cameron, Osborne or any of the other arsewipes who did their level best to blackmail, bully and scare people into voting for their cause during the campaign-they got their answer with a bit of interest added and rightly so. Johnson, IDS and the others are the means to end AFAIC and as long as they get Britain out of the EU, then the end will have been achieved.

Fine. So you will have no problem whatever if for any reason given by the politicians we don't Brexit then.

Rickler wrote:

Moist_Von_Lipwig wrote:

Greenskin wrote:

Czarcasm wrote:

The two biggest prophets of doom here make me laugh. One lives in Germany ffs, and the other STILL hasn't grasped that all posting about 50 links, pie charts and Guardian quotes a day does, is bore people shitless to the point that I'd be amazed if more than 10% of ATDers actually bother to click or read any of them.

Now ain't that the truth. A trip back in time to pre election days,which admittedly seems a long time ago,and a post from the 22nd June;



"Anyhow......

Whatever the result I will respect it.

I hope that everyone else can do that too".

Three guesses as to who made that post.

Me.

But that was pre the lies (broken promises - the day after the vote!!!!). Like it or agree/accept it or not lots of people have been conned.

You may call it democracy, I don't!

MvL, I respect your views and hence your disappointment, But...   C'mon...  In politics how many promises are kept these days?  And were these promises made by people in a position to make them?

And it's early days yet, who is to say there won't be another reversal of position?

You may well be right Rickler.

Sir Francis Drake wrote:

mouldyoldgoat wrote:

But also you are required as an adult, when you vote, to accept the result which ever way it goes.

You seem incapable of doing so.

Not at all.

Here's my post on the subject of the result itself. Take note of the opening sentences.

Quote :

There no going back. The referendum has been done. The result is in and that is that.

The saddest part of it all will be the destruction of what we have all grown up with: Great Britain, the United Kingdom... Call it what you will.

There will be a second Scottish referendum. They will vote to leave the Union this time. That'll be the end of Great Britain although I suppose nominally the United Kingdom could survive. Northern Ireland might go too.

Cameron will go down in history as the man who called the referendum that allowed the Union to be destroyed. For a self-avowed "one nation Conservative" that is the biggest and worst failure imaginable.

UKIP will go down in history as a movement that destroyed the UK. It won't have won independence for the UK at all because what it wanted independence for won't exist any more. What it will have done is create a separate English parliament because Wales, N Ireland and Scotland will either be independent or have their own. UKIP, in efect, will have created an English Nationalist State.

We'll, us Brits that is, need a new flag, too. The Union Jack will be meaningless without the Scots being part of what it represents. Might as well just go straight to the cross of St George and bury that thing with the blue in it.

I went to sleep last night as a Plymothian, Devonian, Englishman, Briton and European and woke up to find that I am going to have the last two parts of that taken from me before long.

If, as I do, you loved GB/UK (call it what you will) and you voted Leave then you have destroyed the very thing you profess an affection for.

I'm bound to be ripped into for saying this... well fill your boots. I'm too busy mourning the death of the country that raised me to care.

You guys have not "got your country back" (not that it ever existed or was possible to get back anyway) you have torn it asunder and jumped up and down on the pieces that once constituted it to be left with a pale imitation of what once was once, truly, a great Great Britain.

That is the victory you have won. I hope you think it was worth it.

Anything I've said since is about the aftermath and isn't this the place - and the thread title is something of a clue - to chew such things over?

It's less than an hour until the Far East financial markets open. Do you think Singapore will be up or down?

the oracle has spoken mouldy

mouldyoldgoat wrote:

But also you are required as an adult, when you vote, to accept the result which ever way it goes.

You seem incapable of doing so.

So taking it to the extremes MOG, that would also apply if we all had guns to our heads to make sure we voted correctly?