Baba's questions,

Cut and posted from pasoti these are the questions that Baba is curious about,me too.


... I can only apologise if the details are rather vague. Like I said as I researched it all I didn't ever discover any explicit accounts of who said what or even who was there.

A few things have puzzled me though and there's loads of loose ends.

* Just how did IDL get wind of that court hearing? Bloody good job he did but it was an amazing, literally unbelievable, stroke of luck if he just happened to stumble across it.

* Why did JBE leave the Trust like he did?

* What was the outcome of the charity commission investigation into the PAST&DT deal?

* How were the secured mortgages and Ticketus loans settled?

* Has PAST&DT got its money back in full? If it has where did it come from?

* How much money did James Brent stump up in the end for the club? Has he paid anything for it at all?

* What are the terms of the 5 year deal to pay the staff and players back and how does this impact on the 55% salary cap?

* Where on earth did the £12m the old board spent on "other operating costs" go? With that £12m the club would have been a viable concern to this day and probably be playing in a league 2 divisions higher.

* Where did the money from PCC for the freehold go? Was it used to pay off the secured creditors? Did Guilfoyle get it?

* Who paid off the CVA? In fact has it been paid at all?

* What is the running total for the money raised by the auctions, bucket rattling, fan fests and other donations?

* Piecing it all together it seems clear that Heaney was a front man for some or all of the old board as they strove to hang in there and cut their losses. It also seems too hard to believe that Ridsdale/Guilfoyle weren't in cahoots and that there was a whole load of off-stage manoeuvring going on throughout the process. Or that everything that went on was entirely legal. Wasn't a post-admin scrutinisa

The ones that I have added the question marks to are particularly noteworthy and asking them over the past few month's has seen my trouble maker status increase. I feel that the answers to these questions hold the answer to lack of promised team investment. If Brent is the fair and honest bloke we are told that he is then why is everybody afraid to ask the questions? Postey has gone from being a bull terrier type journo during the troubles to a comical ali type minister for information since the takeover, these issues will not go away (I can guarantee that) so lets have a bit of honesty please.

He's going to have to tweet the questions now, but at 140 characters it's going to be a lot of tweeting! Good timing on Chris's part not having to answer any of these questions, but then Chris can now call Baba a freak, a coward or a weirdo as well.

If ever there was an advert why not to join a union, then just read a couple of internet football forums.

Greenjock wrote:

He's going to have to tweet the questions now, but at 140 characters it's going to be a lot of tweeting! Good timing on Chris's part not having to answer any of these questions, but then Chris can now call Baba a freak, a coward or a weirdo as well.

If ever there was an advert why not to join a union, then just read a couple of internet football forums.

Unions were born for very good reasons Jock and those reasons are still relevant today.

Union leaders like other jobs, vary in abiity and integrity.

Tringreen wrote:

Greenjock wrote:

He's going to have to tweet the questions now, but at 140 characters it's going to be a lot of tweeting! Good timing on Chris's part not having to answer any of these questions, but then Chris can now call Baba a freak, a coward or a weirdo as well.

If ever there was an advert why not to join a union, then just read a couple of internet football forums.

Unions were born for very good reasons Jock and those reasons are still relevant today.

Union leaders like other jobs, vary in abiity and integrity.

That was a view I once held Tring, but sadly my experience of Unions and Union officials/leaders has not been a good one. All talk from my experiences and always look after themselves first when the chips are down.

Having been reassured several times last year that there was nothing sinister about JBE leaving the Trust now Lee spills the beans that he felt betrayed by a member of the ISC. Lee and several others were going to leave in support of him but John Petrie persuaded them to stay. JBE is far too much of a gentleman to ever have revealed his side of the story.

Where be this thread? I can't seem to locate it (although not looked very hard)

Sorry, Clubs in turmoil - PAFC review, is the title on PASOTI.
Another question, who is JBE?

Iggy wrote:

Sorry, Clubs in turmoil - PAFC review, is the title on PASOTI.
Another question, who is JBE?

The Rev. Jim Benton-Evans. The first Chair of the Fans Trust, and all-round Good Egg.

Iggy wrote:

Sorry, Clubs in turmoil - PAFC review, is the title on PASOTI.
Another question, who is JBE?

Fanks Iggy

Won't get answered.

I never expected to ever say this but thank God someone has been able to keep themselves in check during this Cold War and remain with their feet firmly placed on the ground enough to focus on issues that it appears others would like to be forgotten!

Bloody good on you Babs, it's a reminder of why we should never forget or fear asking questions!

Hasn't Webby already answered these questions countless times before!

Chemical Ali wrote:

Hasn't Webby already answered these questions countless times before!

been done to death.

Bogsider wrote:

Chemical Ali wrote:

Hasn't Webby already answered these questions countless times before!

been done to death.

what did you do ?

would be nice to know why the reverand left!, one question i have always wanted answered is who told the cpg where heaney was? as they met him twice during the takeover process.

Bogsider wrote:

Chemical Ali wrote:

Hasn't Webby already answered these questions countless times before!

been done to death.

If he did I missed it, I heard the lines like "if you had met the man as I have then you wouldn't be worried", but no actual answers to questions like the ones highlighted above. I would be delighted if someone could point me in the right direction of where they might be found.

been done to death

Only answer I know for certain is that the old Trust loan is being repaid over 5 years. The first payment of £60k has been received by them.

Damon.Lenszner wrote:

Only answer I know for certain is that the old Trust loan is being repaid over 5 years. The first payment of £60k has been received by them.

Am I right in saying this didn't "have to be done", but was being done by Brent as he thought it the right thing to do, and to show goodwill?

What is the total amount owed, and does anyone know what the "old Trust" are now going to do with the money?

It's still 60k a month that could have been paid into the club account, the club looses out, Stapes gets off the hook! - There goes the striker!

It's nice to see it being paid back, but if Stapes gets off the hook it makes the morals of this deal stink!

Its 60k per annum - and you are right it is a goodwill measure. It was kept thar way as lombard would nor accept a second charge on the ground being paid while their main charge wasn't being paid. The total amount is around 388k

GOB wrote:

It's still 60k a month that could have been paid into the club account, the club looses out, Stapes gets off the hook! - There goes the striker!

It's nice to see it being paid back, but if Stapes gets off the hook it makes the morals of this deal stink!

question answered by DL above (edited post)

A good question. The local press reported the Charity Commission was investigating as far back as Feb 2011.

Synan hits back over accusations as charity loan comes under scrutiny.

Does anyone have any more recent information?

The article mentions a figure of £330,000. I understood the loan to be around £300,000. That would fit with £60k p.a. over five years.

I would have thought the paying back of the loan was a newsworthy item.

I don't think it's ever been in the press and any questions about on Pasoti have stonewalled at 'its being paid back' without the level of detail that DL is giving.

Not wishing to bemoan the information or the source but how is that information in his domain and not the public one.

Dougie wrote:

I would have thought the paying back of the loan was a newsworthy item.

I don't think it's ever been in the press and any questions about on Pasoti have stonewalled at 'its being paid back' without the level of detail that DL is giving.

Not wishing to bemoan the information or the source but how is that information in his domain and not the public one.

Its been done to death

Damon is an ex-director and is possibly a trustee from the old Trust? He is still linked to the club as a guarantor for the Lombard loan, and I'd also guess has contact with some ex-directors also.