Mankover Planning application submitted

They are on about the parking, citing Argyle only home for 23 games. It not only Saturdays we are taking about, it will be 7 days a week (car boot Sundays)all the cars that parks at HHP now will need to find a new car park, add in the patron, staff, clients and vistors to these establishment eg ice rink, gym, offices, six food outlets, cafe and a one hundred bedroom hotel. I forgot the footfall of the Argyle own Corporate, Funtion, Conference & Meeting Venues. No more to say but for these who wants to object do it soon. Sent e-mail is easy and you do not need to sent in your address as Ian De Lar did.

Tgwu wrote:

They are on about the parking, citing Argyle only home for 23 games. It not only Saturdays we are taking about, it will be 7 days a week (car boot Sundays)all the cars that parks at HHP now will need to find a new car park, add in the patron, staff, clients and vistors to these establishment eg ice rink, gym, offices, six food outlets, cafe and a one hundred bedroom hotel. I  forgot the footfall  of the Argyle own  Corporate, Funtion, Conference & Meeting Venues.  No more to say but for these who wants to object do it soon. Sent e-mail is easy and you do not need to sent in your address as Ian De Lar did.

No, no, no, no, no. No. All that matters is the football club and the matchday stuff. Hardly anybody's even bothered to glance at all the other stuff (especially the BIG office block), or to think about the impact on the park, the park and ride car park and the rest of it. None of that matters - just concentrate on the football.

At least that's what Brent's hoping.

And the more of us who put our heads over the parapet, the more difficult it is for his henchmen (feck off Newell) to get to everybody.

Letter being sent tomorrow, i dont trust that internet m'larkey.

Yea Man wrote:

What's to stop Brent clearing off into the sunset and then upping the rent every year?

Absolutely nothing.

alannotivvy wrote:

Letter being sent tomorrow, i dont trust that internet m'larkey.

Well done Al, that's how many civilised people do it. For those in Plymouth, you can always hand in your views, quoting the planning reference, at the New George Street shop, where the forerunner to the Brent herald used to spew it's innards onto the streets of the city.
The internet is good for chirp and hubub. You used to be able to e-mail national BBC radio and have your civil thoughts read out live almost immediately, with little thought of censorship.... halcyon days, but they soon put a stop to that. Fascinating how the "system" is readjusting and smothering the good bits, after it's initial love in with the internet. Won't be long before it's little more than a banking and shopping channel, a remote control for your oven if you've got one, and a government and commercial baron spying portal. Big, big bucks in spying these days.

internet dont even work half the time, what with all this buffering and broadband nonsense. I'll stick to playing my tapes, far more reliable.

alannotivvy wrote:

internet dont even work half the time, what with all this buffering and broadband nonsense. I'll stick to playing my tapes, far more reliable.

I bet you still watch Betamax video tapes in deepest Tivvey.

Consultation closes this Wednesday, 13 September. Click here

comment submitted date: Sun 10 Sep 2017

The Plymouth Cycling Campaign is recognised as the consultee on cycling by Plymouth City Council.
Plymouth CC policy is to encourage a modal shift in transport use, favouring walking, cycling and public transport, but this application makes only cursory references to travel to Home Park by bicycle.
It uses references to the Strategic Cycle Network and the Walking & Cycling Map (2017) to abdicate responsibility such a huge scheme will have on generating greater visitor traffic to this side of Central Park. With parking restrictions proposed for roads in Peverell, where many supporters park on match days, coupled with the extra traffic generated by the new facilities car travel will be severely limited.

The Cyclist Accessibility statement (5.3) claims that:
5.3.2
'There is cycle specific infrastructure in the area surrounding the proposed development, which promotes travel by bicycle.
For example, advanced stop lines are provided at the junction between the A386 Outland Road and the Life Centre, whilst a segregated foot/cycleway runs to the east of the 'loop' road that bounds Milehouse Park & Ride.'

This 'specific infrastructure' consists of intimidating on-road routes plus footpaths which, in some cases have been designated as cycling routes. They do not meet agreed standards and are often overgrown and badly maintained.

5.3.4
'The proposed development is located to connect into a range of cycle routes that permeate through the city.'

How are cyclists expected to travel from the station and the city centre? For many years a proposal for a bridge from N.Cross via the station to the lower slopes of Central Park has been considered by different administrations. See [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
We propose that a developer contribution is made toward this bridge.

5.3.7
'As such, the provision of cycle-specific infrastructure in the environs of the proposed development,
in tandem with the sprawling network of advisory cycle routes, signed cycle routes, traffic-free cycle paths and on road cycle lanes through Plymouth, means that cycling is a genuine option for travel to/from the proposed development'

The term 'sprawling network of advisory cycle routes' sounds disparaging and is misleading. Most of these advisory routes are not continuous and would not be perceived as safe by inexperienced or younger cyclists.

Electric assist bikes
Rapid improvements in electric assist bicycles are giving increased range and making cycling a truly viable mode of transport in a hilly city like Plymouth.

Cycle Parking
Sufficient Sheffield stand style parking should be located next to all facilities in the proposal with CCTV coverage together with a number of secure cycle lockers for rent.

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Plymouth Cycling Campaign Infrastructure Group

pesky cyclists...

Walking around the park this afternoon you would be surprise that the people I got talking to had no inkling what Brent has plan for the park.

Tgwu wrote:

Walking around the park this afternoon you would be surprise that the people I got talking to had no inkling what Brent has plan for the park.

there lies the problem. Has it been mentioned in Brent's herald at all?

brents herald have published the story about the highways

Unacceptable road safety risks may be caused by Plymouth Argyle’s development plans for Home Park and Highways England has called for a six-month delay on any planning permission.

Last month, the Pilgrims submitted a hybrid application to Plymouth City Council. It requested full planning permission for its refurbishment and extension of the stadium, plus a new ice arena.

Rolled in with this was an application for outline planning permission for a mixed-use development including food and beverage units, offices, a gymnasium, a hotel and veterinary surgery.

Scores of comments on the application have been lodged with the council, but it is the official response from the national highway authority which has proved most damning.

In summary, Highways England is recommending a delay to any planning permission in order to give the applicants more time to carry out further assessment work.

Those behind the application do not envisage a delay of six months to their plans and are set to continue with their traffic assessments this month.

Those behind the application do not envisage a delay of six months to their plans and are set to continue with their traffic assessments this month.

Sally Parish, Highways England’s asset manager for the A38 in Devon, lodged the organisation’s response last week and made it clear a development should only be prevented or refused on transport grounds where the residual impacts of development are severe.

The key concern centres around the A386 Tavistock Road, especially northbound from Manadon junction, where congestion already causes delays and queues which can interfere with the A38.

The authority makes it clear this new application by the club must be considered on its own merits and not fall back on consent given to previous applications.

The document suggests there will be greater demands placed on the A38 than suggested in historical planning applications because of increased employment prospects created by the development.

Highways England believes there has been no consideration of traffic flows on the A38 or Manadon junction in this application, nor this development’s potential impact on that junction.
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The slip-roads linking the A38 with A386 at Manadon has raised concern for Highways England.

“Of greatest concern is the proposed employment use which is likely to impact on these slips and the applicant has failed to consider the impact on the operation of these slips,” the report says.

They assert queues on these slip-roads are already a concern and the development would create a greater safety risk without mitigation.

“The inclusion of this development will extend this existing queue onto the mainline which is considered an unacceptable safety risk,” the report says.

“Therefore, in the absence of mitigating measures the impact of the development on the operation of the A38 would be severe.”

Highways England acknowledges the relief the Forder Valley Link Road project will provide from March 2020 and would support a condition preventing the proposed office space being occupied until this road opens.

In conclusion, the report says: “Additional assessment work is required by the applicant to quantify their impact on Manadon junction, and to consider mitigation measures to make the impact of this development acceptable.
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“Highways England would be pleased to consider the applicants’ proposals for mitigating development impact at Manadon junction.”

Marc Nash, the application’s agent, said: “We do not anticipate the application will be held up by this length of time.

“The transport engineers need to carry out some traffic-counting assessments this month.

“This work could not be carried out until the schools returned from their summer break, but will be completed by the end of September, at which time we will be in a position to negotiate the level of mitigation that will be required to respond to Highway England’s concerns.

“Their concerns relate to the A38 junction at Manadon and other factors that are not within our control to significantly affect or resolve.”

So even the local newspaper's glossing over the hotel, restaurants and office space for 200 people.

If this goes ahead (it won't), a lot of people are going to have a shock when they realise just what they were supporting.

Basically, we couldn't give a stuff about what happens back at the parkway, and we certainly won't be offering a resolution if there's a problem. Typical Brent. Like it or lump it.
Everything is about traffic in this report, nothing whatsoever about the impact on the park and the landmark change of use proposed. To be expected.

In fairness, Bees, it's the response from Highways England, almost word for word. So it will be about the roads they're concerned with, which is the trunk roads.

It's not really 'Plymouth Argyle's development plans for Home Park' though, is it. Easy mistake to make I suppose, Friends of Central Park have also fallen into that trap.

I'm not for excusing that rag. They've cut and pasted a lazy article about a Highways technicality that dropped on one of their hot desks, and not even bothered to broaden their piece to just what is being proposed in the park. Obviously not in the news business. Like watching print ink dry. Ten years and they will be history.

Why is the Evnin Arold still peddling images of the never to be completed P2? How many are unaware that P2 is never going to happen? Click to read.

Surely the residents who live near the park wont want this down market crap on their doorstep?

6 months delay would be great, isn't it  a council election on Thursday 3 May 2018

sufferedsince 68 wrote:

Surely the residents who live near the park wont want this down market crap on their doorstep?

The sea views must be protected at all costs, for noolies parents

Herald

Unacceptable road safety risks may be caused by Plymouth Argyle’s development plans for Home Park and Highways England has called for a six-month delay on any planning permission.

Highway England taking a beating from the pro Bent brigade in it's comments

This may be news to those idiots but PCC does not take below the line comments in the 'herald into account and the Highways Agency won't give a shite. They deal in cold hard facts.

If this is not delayed then you do have to come to the conclusion that this is a political decision already wrapped up.