Germanwings Plane Crash

Hitch wrote:

Czarcasm wrote:

Here we go again....

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I guess it was naive of me to think that religion wasn't involved in these tragic events somewhere along the line, particularly the most evil currently practised.

Lifted from the Beeb news site,

Prosecutors said there was no evidence of a political or religious motive for his actions and no suicide note was found.

Iggy wrote:

Hitch wrote:

Czarcasm wrote:

Here we go again....

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I guess it was naive of me to think that religion wasn't involved in these tragic events somewhere along the line, particularly the most evil currently practised.

Lifted from the Beeb news site,

Prosecutors said there was no evidence of a political or religious motive for his actions and no suicide note was found.

Truly sickening that he should take his personal misery out on the innocent in this way, if that's what it turns out to be. I understand someone wanting to take their own life through depression but to inflict this kind of carnage on others takes a special kind of evil.

Hitch wrote:

Iggy wrote:

Hitch wrote:

Czarcasm wrote:

Here we go again....

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I guess it was naive of me to think that religion wasn't involved in these tragic events somewhere along the line, particularly the most evil currently practised.

Lifted from the Beeb news site,

Prosecutors said there was no evidence of a political or religious motive for his actions and no suicide note was found.

Truly sickening that he should take his personal misery out on the innocent in this way, if that's what it turns out to be. I understand someone wanting to take their own life through depression but to inflict this kind of carnage on others takes a special kind of evil.

As Czarks said you have to try and put yourself in the mind of the guy that did it, Was he evil? A terrorist deliberately doing this as in twin towers, yes evil, but he was not thinking rationally, should his doctors have picked up on it? I wouldn't like to shoulder the guilt they must be feeling. Is is the worst thing about suicide in general it makes everybody else who is left behind to feel the guilt and do the suffering for them. A straightforward crash must be hard but to come to terms with this as a relative just doesn't bear thinking about.

Cornish Chris wrote:

Obviously, there is a ban on convicted sex offenders working with children, but committing sexual offences against children is a crime. Having a mental illness is not.  

Crime or not, if it affects your ability to safely do the job and that job involves potentially putting the lives of others at risk, either intentionally or accidentally then the safety of others must come first and you should not be permitted to do that particular job. Suffering from fits or siezures isn't a crime either but try getting a job that involves driving or operating heavy machinery, not a chance.

AstiSpumante wrote:

Cornish Chris wrote:

Obviously, there is a ban on convicted sex offenders working with children, but committing sexual offences against children is a crime. Having a mental illness is not.  

Crime or not, if it affects your ability to safely do the job and that job involves potentially putting the lives of others at risk, either intentionally or accidentally then the safety of others must come first and you should not be permitted to do that particular job. Suffering from fits or siezures isn't a crime either but try getting a job that involves driving or operating heavy machinery, not a chance.

Again its down to the airline to run due dliegence on its pilots to make sure they are flying fit same with any job.

Angry wrote:

AstiSpumante wrote:

Cornish Chris wrote:

Obviously, there is a ban on convicted sex offenders working with children, but committing sexual offences against children is a crime. Having a mental illness is not.  

Crime or not, if it affects your ability to safely do the job and that job involves potentially putting the lives of others at risk, either intentionally or accidentally then the safety of others must come first and you should not be permitted to do that particular job. Suffering from fits or siezures isn't a crime either but try getting a job that involves driving or operating heavy machinery, not a chance.

Again its down to the airline to run due dliegence on its pilots to make sure they are flying fit same with any job.

Again, and for the reasons stated above, no it isn't, certain conditions/illnesses disqualify you from certain occupations.

AstiSpumante wrote:

Angry wrote:

AstiSpumante wrote:

Cornish Chris wrote:

Obviously, there is a ban on convicted sex offenders working with children, but committing sexual offences against children is a crime. Having a mental illness is not.  

Crime or not, if it affects your ability to safely do the job and that job involves potentially putting the lives of others at risk, either intentionally or accidentally then the safety of others must come first and you should not be permitted to do that particular job. Suffering from fits or siezures isn't a crime either but try getting a job that involves driving or operating heavy machinery, not a chance.

Again its down to the airline to run due dliegence on its pilots to make sure they are flying fit same with any job.

Again, and for the reasons stated above, no it isn't, certain conditions/illnesses disqualify you from certain occupations.

certain illness do rule you out of certain jobs thats correct. Depression however doesnt prevent you from flying. one pilot crashing a plane doesnt mean all suffererers of depression past present and future should never be allowed to fly again.

Angry wrote:

AstiSpumante wrote:

Angry wrote:

AstiSpumante wrote:

Cornish Chris wrote:

Obviously, there is a ban on convicted sex offenders working with children, but committing sexual offences against children is a crime. Having a mental illness is not.  

Crime or not, if it affects your ability to safely do the job and that job involves potentially putting the lives of others at risk, either intentionally or accidentally then the safety of others must come first and you should not be permitted to do that particular job. Suffering from fits or siezures isn't a crime either but try getting a job that involves driving or operating heavy machinery, not a chance.

Again its down to the airline to run due dliegence on its pilots to make sure they are flying fit same with any job.

Again, and for the reasons stated above, no it isn't, certain conditions/illnesses disqualify you from certain occupations.

certain illness do rule you out of certain jobs thats correct. Depression however doesnt prevent you from flying. one pilot crashing a plane doesnt mean all suffererers of depression past present and future should never be allowed to fly again.

Exactly. How far do we go? Do we ban everyone with depression from driving in case they decide to take out crowd of people at the bus stop?

Punishing depressives will just make people hide their illness. As someone who has had depression in the past, I can say from personal experience how good we are at acting, and pretending to be fine. We need everyone with a mental illness to come out and say what's wrong without worrying about the consequences.  Adding to their problems by threatening to take their jobs away will just make it worse.

Let's put it this way. If you have ever been on public transport, be it a school bus, a plane, a ferry, a train or whatever, some of the people responsible for you will have had depression. One in four people you speak to today will have some kind of mental illness, whether it's depression, anxiety, or something else. Let's not over-react to the actions of one deeply disturbed young man.

all very sad.
think theres going to be some changes to air travel in the long term. employees are probably going to scuitinised more certainly mentally as opposed to physically.

those poor people never had a chance.

If this fellow had an eyesight problem developing....how come it wasn't picked up during his last medical....how long ago would that of been.....surely at least annually ?

exactly

Surely the fact he had depression would have him show more empathy to the feelings of others? Its sickening how the shitrags have used this to stigmatise depression further, work shy aren't they?

the man was a psychopath, Depression is irrelevant.

Hugh Watt wrote:

Surely the fact he had depression would have him show more empathy to the feelings of others? Its sickening how the shitrags have used this to stigmatise depression further, work shy aren't they?

the man was a psychopath, Depression is irrelevant.

What crap you and many others do talk, this has feck all to do with stigmatising depressives, it is all about trying to ensure that another 149 innocent people do not get flown into a mountain in the future, quite an easy thing to do but it would cost money so I guess we will have to make do with long odds against.

People with depression do not show empathy, they tend to display obsessive levels of introspection, nutters are generally self obsessed, just look at Newell.

This guy got away with being a nutbag and having dodgy eyes because he was being treated by a doctor who was obliged to keep details of his illness secret, his condition could easily be concealed from the airline, an issue which needs addressing.

People with depression = nutters then?

Tbf people that deliberately crash planes into mountains = nutters

On the face of it, in the light of this awful event, stopping someone suffering from mental illness from being a pilot makes sense but where do we draw the line? Would he be allowed to drive a train, bus, car or bicycle?

How severe does his illness have to be? Depression comes and goes so whilst not depressed he's as safe and sane as the next person. Why shouldn't he work where he likes then?

And we've all seen the rolling eyeballs and heard the tone of voice used by some in the workplace when somebody else, always somebody else, phones in to work off sick with "stress", I'm sure. I know I have.

And then there's the opprobrium poured on those milking sickness procedures or disability provision when not working due to mental ill health. There's not much sympathy shown for those workshy scroungers, is there?

And why would somebody who might need help for mental illness fess up to their employer if the chances are that they lose their job? A spell on the dole, with all the financial implications that brings, whilst being hounded for not working when they look alright and getting their benefit cut if they fail to sign on... How will that help anybody?

There's no easy answers here and the understandably emotional response to the murder of 149 innocent people raises the stakes enormously but every case is unique and every individual needs a course of action specific to them and them alone on a case by case basis.

Good post Franny, the other thing is that it is very easy for people to hide mental illness, and with the ire directed the way of people not working you can see why, Ive got a friend who's mother has recently been diagnosed with dimentia but she has had it for about four years and has hidden from the doctor as she could put on a normal face as my friend described it and give the appearance that all was well when at home it clearly wasn't. I don't know what you would call someone who could fly a plane full of people into a mountainside but I'm sure it's a bit more than just being depressed.

The thing is to ensure that there are at least two people always at the controls.

There's always the chance - and it's a pretty fair chance in this case - that not only was he severely mentally ill, to the point of being obviously suicidal, but also had a touch of evil about him.

If a person who has natural tendency to be a pretty nasty phucker then gets severely mentally ill, then you've got a potential recipe for disaster.