Raising Money and Abuse - A salitary Tale!

Does raising money for a charity or indeed another cause automatically make a person better than another and protected to the extent that proper checks are not taken? The Jimmy SaVILE abuse debacle is a salitary warning, if one was needed.

The Red Star wrote:

Does raising money for a charity or indeed another cause automatically make a person better than another and protected to the extent that proper checks are not taken? The Jimmy SaVILE abuse debacle is a salitary warning, if one was needed.

Transparent and utterly pathetic trolling. Try harder and be a bit more subtle. You're awful at this kind of thing, you really are. Using real sexual abuse cases to have a cheap dig at someone you don't like is also really very low.

Stay classy Exeter!

hairy j wrote:

The Red Star wrote:

Does raising money for a charity or indeed another cause automatically make a person better than another and protected to the extent that proper checks are not taken? The Jimmy SaVILE abuse debacle is a salitary warning, if one was needed.

Transparent and utterly pathetic trolling. Try harder and be a bit more subtle. You're awful at this kind of thing, you really are. Using real sexual abuse cases to have a cheap dig at someone you don't like is also really very low.

Stay classy Exeter!

I haven't linked it with anyone, I think you are doing that. In fact, the bloke you are scared of was not on my radar. Well done Hairy tw@t

Bollocks Red Star. I'm sure that this moral question has been posted by yourself on other forums that you are a member of...?

If not why ATD? Hoping for an anti Nikkk post?

This thread is now back following a mod discussion.

I think the thread can continue so long as it discusses the money raised masking other issues, rather than a direct comparison between someone you don't like on the internet and a high profile child abuser...

There is a simple answer to the question in that no matter what the status or public perception of somebody is there is no excuse to bury a suspicion or allegations.

What I find hard to swallow in all of this is the number of people and organisations who appear to have done nothing despite a certain amount of evidence and allegations out there. The Police were aware and seem to have done nothing. The BBC appear to have had more than a bit of evidence and did nothing. Even worse the staff in Hospitals appear to have known as almost common knowledge and did nothing. This isn't an oversight of something this is an epidemic of huge proportions.

Simply nobody but nobody is too big or famous for something like this to be ignored. It also seems that even our glorious Press did nothing. The chickens are going to come home to roost with this story and there are going to be people who are hammered for their unwillingness to act. Absolutely and 100% deserved

There is a simple answer to the question in that no matter what the status or public perception of somebody is there is no excuse to bury a suspicion or allegations.

What I find hard to swallow in all of this is the number of people and organisations who appear to have done nothing despite a certain amount of evidence and allegations out there. The Police were aware and seem to have done nothing. The BBC appear to have had more than a bit of evidence and did nothing. Even worse the staff in Hospitals appear to have known as almost common knowledge and did nothing. This isn't an oversight of something this is an epidemic of huge proportions.

Simply nobody but nobody is too big or famous for something like this to be ignored. It also seems that even our glorious Press did nothing. The chickens are going to come home to roost with this story and there are going to be people who are hammered for their unwillingness to act. Absolutely and 100% deserved and they should hang their heads in shame.

bit like the church and abuse. hide it away, pretend it never happened.

Sensiblegreeny wrote:

There is a simple answer to the question in that no matter what the status or public perception of somebody is there is no excuse to bury a suspicion or allegations.

The 'rich and powerful' have been getting away with blue murder ever since rich and powerful was invented. They're only hauled into public view, when, either they're dead, or there's other in fighting going on around the court.
As it happens the age of consent was brought into being in this country for this very reason. Rich and influential people, squires and the like were just bagging any young girl that moved in their locale, with families often afraid to say anything for fear of losing their job and the roof over their head.

The horrible subject of child abuse apart, charitable 'work' and patronage has always been a thing that various horrible people have taken refuge in for all sorts of reasons. Just look at the joke of Phil the greek and his World Wildlife Fund patronage, while all along, he was delighted to pop any animal that breathed in his vacinity ... and in the name of sport if you ever... it wasn't as if he couldn't afford to feed himself.
I'm not aware of any 'charitable' goings on connected with Argyle over the last few years, apart from the Trust collecting for the poor food bank, and armed forces folk collecting for injured soldiers.

[quote="Nick Wall"]Bollocks Red Star. I'm sure that this moral question has been posted by yourself on other forums that you are a member of...?

If not why ATD? Hoping for an anti Nikkk post?








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How is Trapdoor anyway

[quote="The Red Star"]

Nick Wall wrote:

Bollocks Red Star. I'm sure that this moral question has been posted by yourself on other forums that you are a member of...?

If not why ATD? Hoping for an anti Nikkk post?








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This wasn't you then in the coincidence thread then Red

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Come on then mouth, who am I? Get it right i'll admit it.


"Are you Mr Nicholas Barron? "

Sensiblegreeny wrote:

There is a simple answer to the question in that no matter what the status or public perception of somebody is there is no excuse to bury a suspicion or allegations.

Really?

So if I made an allegation that you are are a racist, homophobic, child molesting, Islam hating, facist loving, Jew killing, mental retard... Because I had a 'suspicion', that would be alright?

You gotta change your name.

Rickler wrote:

Sensiblegreeny wrote:

There is a simple answer to the question in that no matter what the status or public perception of somebody is there is no excuse to bury a suspicion or allegations.

Really?

So if I made an allegation that you are are a racist, homophobic, child molesting, Islam hating, facist loving, Jew killing, mental retard... Because I had a 'suspicion', that would be alright?

You gotta change your name.

Rickler can't read. If someone does lots of good things, it doesn't mean that if they've done something bad that the bad thing shouldn't be dealt with.

I suggest you change your name and I reckon "Tickler" might suit. It's something you might find on a bellend. So taking your argument to it's logical conclusion then if an allegation is made or a suggestion is there that you might have done something then this is not looked into because you happen to be rich or famous then? Priceless.

So, how else do you think this Saville character got away with this systemic child abuse over decades ? .....luck ?
You need to get real, and listen to the people that deal with this sort of crime day in day out.

I don't believe that Saville was the only one up to no good. I fear that the repercussions of all of this will be extremely far ranging. He seemed to think he was free to act as he pleased and you have to wonder how he could be so confident. It is becoming all too clear that the establishment, for want of a better word, is riddled with corruption in ways beyond our willdest suspicions. What have we had so far? Off the top of my head there is Libor, Jimmy Saville, Milly Dowler, MPs expenses and Hillsborough. So that is the banking system, Parliament, the Police, The Press, the Courts, Football and light entertainment which are shown to exist simply to protect their own interests and bollocks to those who trust and rely upon them for "justice" or even decencey. Britain used to consider itself to be better than most countries but it is probably the most bananaey republic of the lot.

It does seem that all Government or the Establishment or whatever name you want to give it is the same the whole World over. It may vary slightly in degree but it is the same nonetheless. The problem you have is that those that seek to change it, if successful, then become the Government and are corrupted by the power of it all in the name of self interest. A never ending circle with the not so rich and powerful caught on the merry-go-round.

I think it is worse than that. Far worse. It is more pervasive. It isnt just government.

Human nature of some, sadly.