Mankover Planning application submitted

Les Miserable wrote:

harvetheslayer wrote:

Les Miserable wrote:

harvetheslayer wrote:

Have received email back from PCC reference my "objection" to Brents development. Nothing worth pasting but acknowledgment of receipt none the less

With all due respect harv, I don't believe you.

lol email them yourself then !!

Unreserved apology upon proof of PCC email

I can understand now why you were mentioned at the Mutley Mash up in a none to positive way.....am not in the habit of lying on an issue of total insignificance to man or dog. Email them yourself and then apologise to me subsequently !

im sure all the emails that raised concerns where "lost" before the documents where submitted unchanged.

Tgwu wrote:

The new parking restriction proposed for around Central Park is to keep the residence quiet and stop them objecting over  lack of parking in his development and over spilling into their neighbourhoods

Lack of parking is an understatement. The plans seem to be based on the assumption that all the people who work in the proposed offices, restaurants, ice rink etc AND all the people visiting and using them are going to park in the existing PCC car park. Which is of course a vital park and ride facility for people working in and using both the city centre and the hospital, and the only car park for people using the park, including when the fair's on, or the circus - as well as the matchday car park of course. Either nobody's given any thought to any of that or there's some breathtaking arrogance involved in this application.

Peggy wrote:

Tgwu wrote:

The new parking restriction proposed for around Central Park is to keep the residence quiet and stop them objecting over  lack of parking in his development and over spilling into their neighbourhoods

Lack of parking is an understatement. The plans seem to be based on the assumption that all the people who work in the proposed offices, restaurants, ice rink etc AND all the people visiting and using them are going to park in the existing PCC car park. Which is of course a vital park and ride facility for people working in and using both the city centre and the hospital, and the only car park for people using the park, including when the fair's on, or the circus - as well as the matchday car park of course. Either nobody's given any thought to any of that or there's some breathtaking arrogance involved in this application.

Eh, I'll plump for the latter Peggy.

Les Miserable wrote:

Peggy wrote:

Tgwu wrote:

The new parking restriction proposed for around Central Park is to keep the residence quiet and stop them objecting over  lack of parking in his development and over spilling into their neighbourhoods

Lack of parking is an understatement. The plans seem to be based on the assumption that all the people who work in the proposed offices, restaurants, ice rink etc AND all the people visiting and using them are going to park in the existing PCC car park. Which is of course a vital park and ride facility for people working in and using both the city centre and the hospital, and the only car park for people using the park, including when the fair's on, or the circus - as well as the matchday car park of course. Either nobody's given any thought to any of that or there's some breathtaking arrogance involved in this application.

Eh, I'll plump for the latter Peggy.

Based on track record, I would disagree in favour of breathtaking incompetence.

Although it could be part and parcel of a wider scheme to get his mits on money to update the pavillions. He has to build the ice rink for, dunno why having an ice rink is so important to Plymouth's civic status but there we go.

Am not normally prone to asking stupid questions but anyone any idea exactly where Brent has suddenly obtained £50-£100 million from to build all this development at HHP....!
Who his he leeching off this time....??

He didn't actually have the money last time though, did he? The whole thing stalled as the hotel chain, NCP car parks, retail food chains etc weren't prepared to put the money for the development up front.

Dingle wrote:

He didn't actually have the money last time though, did he?  The whole thing stalled as the hotel chain, NCP car parks, retail food chains etc weren't prepared to put the money for the development up front.  

Well that pretty much sums up my email to PCC asking them to ensure that this time Brent can actually deliver something rather than his usual pie in the sky tactics.
No one on this board seriously believes one single brick will get laid anyway and that goes for the Grandstand as well since he deliberately whacked it all in together. The Lip Quivering on application declined with be exceptional

He doesn't have the money, hence each individual element is priced out of the market because on top of the going rate for say an ice rink or hotel or cafe there's a premium to fund other elements, a bit like British Land trying to screw the cinema operator to pay for the rest of Bretonside, they don't operate like that but Brent is still trying to use other peoples money to fund his builds. his big windfall is housing on the boulevard hence ice rink so he can knock the pavilions rink down.

Dingle wrote:

He didn't actually have the money last time though, did he?  The whole thing stalled as the hotel chain, NCP car parks, retail food chains etc weren't prepared to put the money for the development up front.  

I still can't believe that an underground NCP car park built next to a free car park wasn't viable. I know PCC tried their best to help by introducing charges on the free car park but to no avail.

Another classic design plan was to stop people staying in the hotel having access to the car park when Argyle were playing at home (the other option would be to somehow skirt around the queues at the turnstiles.)

Brent piss taking and Nool baiting aside, why is everything St Jimmy touches such an absolute crock of shit?

Even if austerity is the reason, it doesn't excuse the inherent crapness of his plans and processes.

Frank Bullitt wrote:

Brent piss taking and Nool baiting aside, why is everything St Jimmy touches such an absolute crock of shit?

Even if austerity is the reason, it doesn't excuse the debt inherent crapness of his plans and processes.

Eeeeeee saved us mate and don't you forget it!

Frank Bullitt wrote:

Brent piss taking and Nool baiting aside, why is everything St Jimmy touches such an absolute crock of shit?

Even if austerity is the reason, it doesn't excuse the inherent crapness of his plans and processes.

I think he's just not that clever, Frank. I mean who would fall hook line and sinker for Nool's low cunning.

He's greedy though, and just about has enough nous to burble some Citi/access to money/wannagivesomethingback nonsense and invite himself into some private/public initiative with some unsuspecting council who might or might not be a bit off the pace, and then just squats waiting for the world to spin and uplift his "investment". I question the quality of his staff too, as obviously it isn't just him knocking out autocad pictures at great expense.

Classic Pasoti back slapping.......

Pettegreen claims he's happy as at least we have a Club to support to be followed by Mike Greening with emoticon hand clapping, Angry Andy with a thumbs up, followed by the Ku Klux Klan with a scarf wave......further words would be superfluous but none existed anyway

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beesrus wrote:

Frank Bullitt wrote:

Brent piss taking and Nool baiting aside, why is everything St Jimmy touches such an absolute crock of shit?

Even if austerity is the reason, it doesn't excuse the inherent crapness of his plans and processes.

I think he's just not that clever, Frank. I mean who would fall hook line and sinker for Nool's low cunning.

He's greedy though, and just about has enough nous to burble some Citi/access to money/wannagivesomethingback nonsense and invite himself into some private/public initiative with some unsuspecting council who might or might not be a bit off the pace, and then just squats waiting for the world to spin and uplift his "investment". I question the quality of his staff too, as obviously it isn't just him knocking out autocad pictures at great expense.

I've never heard of the crowd that banged out the will-these-do renders. But the project architects are Kensington Taylor who have some pedigree in this sector

Although The original HHP crockoshit was drawn up by BDP who are in the top 5 biggest architects in the UK so it doesn't mean jack shit ultimately

Don't forget that Brent also had a team of staff working on "plan B" after HHP failed. Obviously he couldn't go into any details because secrecy is paramount when you are making shit up.

harvetheslayer wrote:

Classic Pasoti back slapping.......

Pettegreen claims he's happy as at least we have a Club to support to be followed by Mike Greening with emoticon hand clapping, Angry Andy with a thumbs up, followed by the Ku Klux Klan with a scarf wave......further words would be superfluous but none existed anyway

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Thats probably the most in depth expression in favour for the proposals PASOTI has mustered up to date, 'at least we still have a club to support' being the most expansive line trotted out.
Only in an area like ours with the mentality of the natives could it be so easy for a banker to pull the wool over so many.

harvetheslayer wrote:

Classic Pasoti back slapping.......

Pettegreen claims he's happy as at least we have a Club to support to be followed by Mike Greening with emoticon hand clapping, Angry Andy with a thumbs up, followed by the Ku Klux Klan with a scarf wave......further words would be superfluous but none existed anyway

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Seems even some of the avivas are starting doubt/see through brent...but the usual suspects/bumlickers/eeeeeeeeee saved uzz brigade   are still trying to qwell any anti jimmyiasms at all costs

harvetheslayer wrote:

Classic Pasoti back slapping.......

Pettegreen claims he's happy as at least we have a Club to support to be followed by Mike Greening with emoticon hand clapping, Angry Andy with a thumbs up, followed by the Ku Klux Klan with a scarf wave......further words would be superfluous but none existed anyway

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Gawd Bless you posh Jimmy!

I think when its been a year and the Herald is still coming out with things like "James Brent is remaining tight lipped....despite positive meetings with stakeholders Brent refused to commit to start date for works....Brent is hopeful works can start soon.... ". Perhaps a few more eyes will open.

I actually believe people are fed up with him but simply cannot be arsed to do anything about it. You've heard of passive aggression, I often think that Plymouth people are aggressively passive.

Whatever happened to this plan....

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"So what we are looking at is a Plan B, which is to do the grandstand first, which is the bit which is directly relevant to the football club and do the rest of the leisure development second.

"We are in the latter stages of negotiations with a partner institution to build it, we're moving that as quickly as we can, but I'm not going to make the mistake of committing to another date and being held to account, as soon as we have finalised those negotiations, hopefully positively, we will announce that."

The Mike Greening hand clap. Classic.

Criteria to generate a Mike Greening hand clap emoticon....

Praise Brent
Praise Nool
Praise the Pasoti Mod team

One or more of the above.

On the sadcunt-ometer, Greening hits the bell every time.

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