How are we going to meet the balloon payment?

Czarcasm wrote:

When the seats were bolted on to the Mayflower, any statto's know what the exact capacity of the stand was? Whatever that figure is, THAT is the absolute minimum that any new structure should have, capacity-wise.

Of course the stand needs replacing, but until somebody comes along that has the vision and wherewithal to deliver a Grandstand worthy of the name, then we need to leave well alone. With the mentality that pervades generally in these parts any new structure needs to be properly future-proof because it will be there for decades. Building a pathetic joke of a stand and boxing it in kills Argyles future hopes and dreams.

Brent is up shit creek and you can bet your bottom dollar he's exploring every avenue to try and cut more costs from his original budget. That's only going to result in Argyle getting an even worse 'structure' than was first planned.

The Cnut can't be allowed to get away with it.

A nutshell in, and if we ever have an owner with the vision and finance to fill the corners with seats that will surely give us the 20k capacity most of us think we need....................until we reach the Prem

AstiSpumante wrote:

Czarcasm wrote:

When the seats were bolted on to the Mayflower, any statto's know what the exact capacity of the stand was? Whatever that figure is, THAT is the absolute minimum that any new structure should have, capacity-wise.

Of course the stand needs replacing, but until somebody comes along that has the vision and wherewithal to deliver a Grandstand worthy of the name, then we need to leave well alone. With the mentality that pervades generally in these parts any new structure needs to be properly future-proof because it will be there for decades. Building a pathetic joke of a stand and boxing it in kills Argyles future hopes and dreams.

Brent is up shit creek and you can bet your bottom dollar he's exploring every avenue to try and cut more costs from his original budget. That's only going to result in Argyle getting an even worse 'structure' than was first planned.

The Cnut can't be allowed to get away with it.

A nutshell in, and if we ever have an owner with the vision and finance to fill the corners with seats that will surely give us the 20k capacity most of us think we need....................until we reach the Prem

We should have known as soon as the calculation used to spec the new stand was minus the Mayflower terrace, we was fcuked - as for the rest of the added cut & shut carp, guy must have dreamt it all one night!! We was had!!

Thing is Bandy it was more the utter incompetency of the Council for stipulating that any new Grandstand must be at least equal to the current capacity - 3,800. Ok, even Brent knows how utterly pathetic a 3,800 miniStand would look, dwarfed even by the modest Lyndhurst. But quite why they didn't stipulate that the new stand should be at least equal to the capacity before the seats were taken out of the Mayflower (7500-8000ish??) only leads to the conclusion that it was a carve up from the start between Brent and PCC.

Wankers one and all.

Indecision is the problem here.

A concrete decision needs to be made about what we really are going to do with the ground.

The thinking needs to go something like this:

If the grandstand is to be replaced the question is when?

If that is further away than the shelf-life of a grandstand re-furb then the grandstand should be refurbished.

If it isn't going to happen at all then seating needs to go back on the Mayflower - and, seriously, surely this can't actually be very expensive to achieve?

Instead we are lumbered with "imminent" which currently requires a half-arsed plan that nobody except Brent wants built to be financed by people who have had ages to look at the deal on the table and have said "no" in their droves to go ahead.

It's the very definition of dithering delusion writ large.

In terms of the wider picture we definitely need a new grandstand, PCC wants an ice rink, Brent needs to supply an ice rink to unlock several other pots of gold...

So finally admit that HHP is dead, because it is, and build a grandstand big enough to incorporate a decent ice arena under it and everybody gets what they want and, having invested his own money into his own speculative project, Brent could then be justified in milking every last penny of profit that he can. It would be truly benevolent, altruistic, entrepreneurial capitalism at its best, where everybody benefits, were it to happen.

It's not rocket science and it isn't greedy. It even fits onto land available and ripe for building on, it would complement Home Park and The Life Centre and it's just the sort of development that a park could justify allowing.

It just needs somebody with money, cojones and vision to get it done.

It's make or break time: Does Brent want to go down in history as the multi-millionaire without any money, the successful businessman who failed and a delusional ditherer or the philanthopist with cojones and vision who took the risk, reaped the rewards and got the job done?

Only he knows the answer.

Rickler wrote:

The Grandstand and Mayflower has to go...  Anyone who wants to keep them is nuts.

It's just a big cowshed.  If it was at any other ground, Argyle fans would laugh at it.

Any notion that it has some sort of 'artistic' value is delusional.

It's hideous.

Welcome to my world
The present plan is not going to produce any ballons. Blank piece of paper and start again. Paint, new seats, join it up, open Mayflower. Doesn't need to be all at once.
Laughing at grounds ? I cringe when I see the rubble tip that is the Mayflower - particularly on TV. It resembles Accy Stanley on the day they went bust many years ago. At least get some wide rolls of green and white cloth and roll them down to cover the whole rubbish tip - not just a few flags.
The only blessing is that the cameras rarely include shots of the Mayflower - thank gawd. In a nutshell until the saviour comes bounding over the horizon clutching £10 mill + we are stuck with what we've got so lets at least try and be constructive.
Just ensure you all buy your Euro tickets tonight

Sir Francis Drake wrote:

Indecision is the problem here....

It's make or break time: Does Brent want to go down in history as the multi-millionaire without any money, the successful businessman who failed and a delusional ditherer or the philanthopist

Only he knows the answer.

Philanthropist - he loves that vision that he wants peeps to have of him, as previously seen on local news, but not in a month of Sundays i'm afraid!!!

Czarcasm wrote:

Thing is Bandy it was more the utter incompetency of the Council for stipulating that any new Grandstand must be at least equal to the current capacity - 3,800. Ok, even Brent knows how utterly pathetic a 3,800 miniStand would look, dwarfed even by the modest Lyndhurst. But quite why they didn't stipulate that the new stand should be at least equal to the capacity before the seats were taken out of the Mayflower (7500-8000ish??) only leads to the conclusion that it was a carve up from the start between Brent and PCC.

Wankers one and all.

When the 3 sides were closed down in 2001 and played Luton at home the gate was 5782, but obviously with standing it would be more and that game was a virtual sellout in seem to remember - stab at that side with seats, maybe 4,500? Whatever, this tosser is no where near mark so adios Brent!!

I admit that i don't care for Brent, however he is not going to spend HIS money on seats for the Mayflower terrace when the ground is never full...............

He can't he don't fecking have any, LOL!!!

Bandwagon wrote:

Czarcasm wrote:

Thing is Bandy it was more the utter incompetency of the Council for stipulating that any new Grandstand must be at least equal to the current capacity - 3,800. Ok, even Brent knows how utterly pathetic a 3,800 miniStand would look, dwarfed even by the modest Lyndhurst. But quite why they didn't stipulate that the new stand should be at least equal to the capacity before the seats were taken out of the Mayflower (7500-8000ish??) only leads to the conclusion that it was a carve up from the start between Brent and PCC.

Wankers one and all.

When the 3 sides were closed down in 2001 and played Luton at home the gate was 5782, but obviously with standing it would be more and that game was a virtual sellout in seem to remember - stab at that side with seats, maybe 4,500? Whatever, this tosser is no where near mark so adios Brent!!

The Mayflower was still standing for that Luton game.

Ram jam full, with the seats on the Mayflower, I'm pretty sure we hit 20,500 ish.

The horseshoe capacity is 12,600.

So that's nearly 8000 in total for the Grandstand, Mayflower stand and Mayflower terrace (seated).

Even with seats the Mayflower was a great and cheap place to watch the game.

Rickler wrote:

The Grandstand and Mayflower has to go...  Anyone who wants to keep them is nuts.

It's just a big cowshed.  If it was at any other ground, Argyle fans would laugh at it.

Any notion that it has some sort of 'artistic' value is delusional.

It's hideous.

That would cost money, of which there isn't any. If/when there is money to spend (almost certainly, this won't be until the club changes hands) money has to be spent first on the FC debt to ensure the club continues to exist, then on improving the football team.

The last thing to spend money on is the grandstand. People will come in decent numbers to watch a good Argyle team play a good visiting team (like for instance, Norwich or Derby) even if they have to sit on an orange box and piss in a bucket as part of "the matchday experience"

Give them a leather recliner and a topless handmaiden to show them where the gold plated toilet is and Argyle v Aldershot is still a "matchday experience" most people would love to avoid

Sir Francis Drake wrote:

Bandwagon wrote:

Czarcasm wrote:

Thing is Bandy it was more the utter incompetency of the Council for stipulating that any new Grandstand must be at least equal to the current capacity - 3,800. Ok, even Brent knows how utterly pathetic a 3,800 miniStand would look, dwarfed even by the modest Lyndhurst. But quite why they didn't stipulate that the new stand should be at least equal to the capacity before the seats were taken out of the Mayflower (7500-8000ish??) only leads to the conclusion that it was a carve up from the start between Brent and PCC.

Wankers one and all.

When the 3 sides were closed down in 2001 and played Luton at home the gate was 5782, but obviously with standing it would be more and that game was a virtual sellout in seem to remember - stab at that side with seats, maybe 4,500? Whatever, this tosser is no where near mark so adios Brent!!

The Mayflower was still standing for that Luton game.

Ram jam full, with the seats on the Mayflower, I'm pretty sure we hit 20,500 ish.

The horseshoe capacity is 12,600.

So that's nearly 8000 in total for the Grandstand, Mayflower stand and Mayflower terrace (seated).

Was there also and it looks like the best attendance in that closed off area was only 6,200 ish - I realise was standing, sorry my wording was bad(keying in at Dalamn Airport under stress) but just wondering how we could fit 8k when as you it was rammed? It's all a bit ambiguous as I stood also in that Leeds & WetSpam games when 20k+ a few years later - whatever, Brent is not the man for us, just has not understood the fans views at all!!

Brent is not the man for us, just has not understood the fans views at all!!
or
Brent out
or
We cant let the cnut get away with it
OK
then fecking do something to back up your hot air. If you want change then change it yourself.

tigertony wrote:

Brent is not the man for us, just has not understood the fans views at all!!
or
Brent out
or
We cant let the cnut get away with it
OK
then fecking do something to back up your hot air. If you want change then change it yourself.

tigertony wrote:

Brent is not the man for us, just has not understood the fans views at all!!
or
Brent out
or
We cant let the cnut get away with it
OK
then fecking do something to back up your hot air. If you want change then change it yourself.

Eh?

AstiSpumante wrote:

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Childish !!!
Its not true colours at all but a straight fact. If you or anyone else wishes JB out then the answer is mind-boggling simple. Go and see JB and hand over a few million quid. There - sorted so off you go then.

tigertony wrote:

If you want change then change it yourself.

Even more childish...  

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tigertony wrote:

AstiSpumante wrote:

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Childish !!!
Its not true colours at all but a straight fact. If you or anyone else wishes JB out then the answer is mind-boggling simple. Go and see JB and hand over a few million quid. There - sorted so off you go then.

why dont you or are you as skint as we all are brent included?

I'm not anti-JB or pro-JB but I do realise that he owns the club with a massive share % and the only way he will move out, if he wanted to, is if someone arrives clutching money ... and loads of it. So we are where we are and if the team can continue to win and stay in the top 10 minimum then gates will increase and finances will get better.

tigertony wrote:

AstiSpumante wrote:

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Childish !!!
Its not true colours at all but a straight fact. If you or anyone else wishes JB out then the answer is mind-boggling simple. Go and see JB and hand over a few million quid. There - sorted so off you go then.

Let's just doff our caps and be eternally grateful we've got a club to support eh Tone.

tigertony wrote:

Brent is not the man for us, just has not understood the fans views at all!!
or
Brent out
or
We cant let the cnut get away with it
OK
then fecking do something to back up your hot air. If you want change then change it yourself.

Sure thing. Only problem is I want a stand bigger than 3,800. This costs £10m apparently. So I need £15m, but i am falling a little short. I don't even have £10m I am a little embarrassed to confess. What is your advice on my cashflow situation Tone?

When you are done reviewing me, I've got a "friend" who wants to build something that costs £50m. But he doesn't have £50m....

I ain't even got 10p. All I'm trying to say is that even if every fan screamed ''JB out'' unless we can muster a few £million then JB can only go when someone buys him out. I do believe that given the right offer JB would sell under the banner of ''I can't take the club any further etc''
If we can maintain our present form and stay right up there then the more attractive we become and I'm sure someone somewhere has Argyle on their radar. Either a buy-out or big investment. OH what I'd I give for a good Euro win.

Has he actually paid anything for the club ? I know he's 'loaned' a few quid ?

Having been in 'conversations' with public servants before Argyle went into administration and then receiving the full support of his future jamboys and the local press, the only thing now missing is the awful HHP development which would be a scar on the face of Central Park and the Villagification of PAFC for generations.