John Sheridan - The Facts

After being approached by a number of people (not just Damon) regarding the issue of John Sheridan's contract, Andy Symons asked the question in an email to Martyn; there's nothing unusual in this, Andy often corresponds with Martyn, raising issues of concern that have been raised with him by Trust members and other supporters. Here's the relevant paragraph from Andy's email:

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There's a rumour doing the rounds that John is only on a part-time contract and is only working on a Thursday to Saturday basis.
These sorts of rumours often take on a life of their own and become established as 'fact' if they aren't nipped in the bud.

Can you confirm that John's terms and conditions of employment are not any different to any other manager in League 2, or indeed any previous Argyle manager? It would be good to be able to stop this particular piece of gossip from developing too far too quickly - as I'm sure you know, it's the sort of thing that's often used as a stick to beat a manager with , particularly when results aren't up to expectations.

And this is Martyn's response:

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It's amazing how these stories arise. John is not on a part time contract. He is here on completely conventional terms for a League 2 manager.

So hopefully that will put this particular nonsense safely to bed.

Being a pedant then, him being here on conventional terms would point to him being 'full time'.

Does he live in Plymouth 'full time'? Or does he live elsewhere for part of the week?

He must go home once a week, maybe after the game on a Saturday and be back a couple of days later unless there is a Tuesday game.

Personally I don't see anything wrong with that at all, other than I would've preferred it if he moved his family down with him which would signify that he was totally committed to the cause, especially as he made such a big deal about players having to move to the area.

I bet he doesn't even go home after home games, Just away ones,

'conventional' terms ? doesn't fool me.

sheri family still in leeds, therefore I reckon he'll stay there after the Saturday game then return to plym for thurs (unless theres a midweek game).

whats his salary (roughly) martyn ?????

who started this silly rumour anyway? and how gullible are some to believe it?

To be honest if we were doing well i would not be bothered about the hours he puts in, but when your team is poor i would expect the manager to be working seven days a week to put it right, or i would be looking for a new one.

Argyle Fans' Trust wrote:

After being approached by a number of people (not just Damon) regarding the issue of John Sheridan's contract, Andy Symons asked the question in an email to Martyn; there's nothing unusual in this, Andy often corresponds with Martyn, raising issues of concern that have been raised with him by Trust members and other supporters. Here's the relevant paragraph from Andy's email:

Quote :

There's a rumour doing the rounds that John is only on a part-time contract and is only working on a Thursday to Saturday basis.
These sorts of rumours often take on a life of their own and become established as 'fact' if they aren't nipped in the bud.

Can you confirm that John's terms and conditions of employment are not any different to any other manager in League 2, or indeed any previous Argyle manager? It would be good to be able to stop this particular piece of gossip from developing too far too quickly - as I'm sure you know, it's the sort of thing that's often used as a stick to beat a manager with , particularly when results aren't up to expectations.

And this is Martyn's response:

Quote :

It's amazing how these stories arise. John is not on a part time contract. He is here on completely conventional terms for a League 2 manager.

So hopefully that will put this particular nonsense safely to bed.

Can I ask who wrote this, or is Andy talking about himself in the third person?

Cant believe this question even got asked, pathetic

The argument was about whether questions should be asked of Brent really, the question was asked, answered, rumour put to bed it wasn't too hard was it?

Jeesus why don't they just write things so that there is no ambiguity.

Martin wrote: It's amazing how these stories arise. John is not on a part time contract. He is here on completely conventional terms for a League 2 manager.

Why didn't he just write:
it's amazing how these stories arise. John is on a full time contract.

WTF is conventional terms for a league 2 manager? Is there a standard format for league 2 managers drawn up by the FA?

You're right Gasser. My contract has no set hours. I do the hours that the job demands, that is conventional for my position but I could do as little as 20 and as many as 80.

I always used to see Pulis at Bournemouth Railway Station on a Monday morning. He used to travel back home after a game, stay Sunday with the family and then commute back to Stoke where he remained throughout the week.

The issue as others have said is that given the run of form we're in and the prediction made by Sheridan that we'd be going for the play offs I would have expected his presence at the club full time.

The question was "Can you confirm that John's terms and conditions of employment are not any different to any other manager in League 2, or indeed any previous Argyle manager?" and that's why it was answered with the phrase "conventional League 2 manager", the question itself was fairly strange.

I'm glad this rumour is just a rumour. Many managers live away from their clubs and it's not unusual although, I am surprised that League 1 and 2 managers do as they must spend a decent chunk of their wages on travel.

hairy j wrote:

The question was "Can you confirm that John's terms and conditions of employment are not any different to any other manager in League 2, or indeed any previous Argyle manager?" and that's why it was answered with the phrase "conventional League 2 manager", the question itself was fairly strange.

I'm glad this rumour is just a rumour. Many managers live away from their clubs and it's not unusual although, I am surprised that League 1 and 2 managers do as they must spend a decent chunk of their wages on travel.

I agree If that was the reason why it was answered that way then the original question was framed wrong.

I don't know if that's the answer but I tend to use the same phrases etc. that someone has used in a written question to provide a written answer. There's probably a technical term for it but I don't know what it is. I'm not a genius.

Iggy wrote:

The argument was about whether questions should be asked of Brent really, the question was asked, answered, rumour put to bed it wasn't too hard was it?

Exactly, keep asking the questions Damon!

Do you need someone to email someone on behalf of someone else? Can't we (we're customers essentially) just email someone direct and ask them if you can copy and paste the answer onto a forum? Why do we need a PASB, AFT to do this? With social media, it isn't essential. The AFT have a place but being used to answer rumours on messageboards? Don't know about that.

I have just come back from a run, my route takes me past Bournemouth's training ground. A full training session was taking place involving some playing small games of one touch football, some doing a bleep test and one group being spoken to. Every session was being filmed and at the centre of everything, as he always is, was Eddie Howe.

I run on different days and Eddie Howe is always there.

Surely that must help the players more than a manager who for whatever reason decides he doesn't have to be at training.

Next question, "does John Sheridan attend all the training sessions and if not how many does he miss?"
 

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Only1Argyle included this on their twitter feed before the Wycombe game. Definitely some sort of training going on. As mentioned earlier don't know why the Comms team at Argyle just don't upload more of this type of content.

They use twitter (in a crap manner), Vine and Youtube as well as the pay to view Argyle player already so should be east easy easy to post some strategic coverage around training.

So, the question hasn't actually been answered.

What does "completely conventional terms" actually mean?
No mention of the "Thursday to Saturday" bit.

All that answer does is give more ammo to the conspiracists!

Moist_Von_Lipwig wrote:

So, the question hasn't actually been answered.

What does "completely conventional terms" actually mean?
No mention of the "Thursday to Saturday" bit.

All that answer does is give more ammo to the conspiracists!

I agree really. The question left room for a vague answer which it got.

Greenjock wrote:

Moist_Von_Lipwig wrote:

So, the question hasn't actually been answered.

What does "completely conventional terms" actually mean?
No mention of the "Thursday to Saturday" bit.

All that answer does is give more ammo to the conspiracists!

I agree really. The question left room for a vague answer which it got.

The only answers we ever get from the club are vague ones..................or no answer at all (ask the PASB).

It was a badly phrased question rather than a vague answer.