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Coxside_Green wrote:
Angry wrote:
Greenskin wrote:
So does being "sustainable" in the championship mean that, if Argyle do reach that status over the short or medium term, no upward long term progress is envisaged?

you cant make a cake if you dont have the right ingredients. You have to lay the foundations down in order for there to be any short to medium term goals once you have achieved the short term aims then you can build up and up until the ultimate goal is achieved and the benefits are far more rewarding than wanting the short term fix that have no long term benefits hoping that works. Staplewallet did that and look where that got us. The board now are far more savvy i feel.

Again with the stands they will be done we cant cut the attendance in our first year in the championship its small enough as it is (thankyou very much james brent) and once we are established as a championship side which may not happen next season but in a couple seasons time all going well im sure they will be done as a matter of urgency as the attendance is too small and should be 25000 imo so all the stands need to be looked at.

You can't lay all the capacity issues at James Brent's table.  Hallett and his 'savvy' team knew exactly what was what and went ahead with it.

you can when it was his plan that his friends loved and he gave it the green light and the whole reason simon took over the club was because it became clear after the green light was given brent had no way of building the mankover no matter how cheaply he managed to whing it too and he effectively bought brent out.
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Freathy wrote:
With such a massive rebuild to do on the smallest budget it's highly likely we will be relegated next season. The Championship is a lot different than L1. But an indicator of how things have actually improved will be how long it is before we return to this level again.  It's taken 13 years to get back to the second tier since we were last relegated from this level.  Argo don't do swift returns to the second tier but maybe it will only take us 7 years next time.

We all know by now the usual routine of relegation, best players out of contract leave or they're sold, leaving us with the aged, crocked or underperforming disinterested. If £3.7 to £4m is the benchmark it'll be another decade while the eventual new own jizz's money on another white elephant, maybe we'll get the dentist built.
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Angry wrote:
Coxside_Green wrote:
Angry wrote:
Greenskin wrote:
So does being "sustainable" in the championship mean that, if Argyle do reach that status over the short or medium term, no upward long term progress is envisaged?

you cant make a cake if you dont have the right ingredients. You have to lay the foundations down in order for there to be any short to medium term goals once you have achieved the short term aims then you can build up and up until the ultimate goal is achieved and the benefits are far more rewarding than wanting the short term fix that have no long term benefits hoping that works. Staplewallet did that and look where that got us. The board now are far more savvy i feel.

Again with the stands they will be done we cant cut the attendance in our first year in the championship its small enough as it is (thankyou very much james brent) and once we are established as a championship side which may not happen next season but in a couple seasons time all going well im sure they will be done as a matter of urgency as the attendance is too small and should be 25000 imo so all the stands need to be looked at.

You can't lay all the capacity issues at James Brent's table.  Hallett and his 'savvy' team knew exactly what was what and went ahead with it.

you can when it was his plan that his friends loved and he gave it the green light and the whole reason simon took over the club was because it became clear after the green light was given brent had no way of building the mankover no matter how cheaply he managed to whing it too and he effectively bought brent out.

Hallett could've abandoned it and got the whole lot flattened, however he was on the same board as Brent and went along with it. Are you saying Hallett put the club's needs secondary to the best deal he could get, knowing Brent had no money?
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Coxside_Green wrote:
Angry wrote:
Coxside_Green wrote:
Angry wrote:
Greenskin wrote:
So does being "sustainable" in the championship mean that, if Argyle do reach that status over the short or medium term, no upward long term progress is envisaged?

you cant make a cake if you dont have the right ingredients. You have to lay the foundations down in order for there to be any short to medium term goals once you have achieved the short term aims then you can build up and up until the ultimate goal is achieved and the benefits are far more rewarding than wanting the short term fix that have no long term benefits hoping that works. Staplewallet did that and look where that got us. The board now are far more savvy i feel.

Again with the stands they will be done we cant cut the attendance in our first year in the championship its small enough as it is (thankyou very much james brent) and once we are established as a championship side which may not happen next season but in a couple seasons time all going well im sure they will be done as a matter of urgency as the attendance is too small and should be 25000 imo so all the stands need to be looked at.

You can't lay all the capacity issues at James Brent's table.  Hallett and his 'savvy' team knew exactly what was what and went ahead with it.

you can when it was his plan that his friends loved and he gave it the green light and the whole reason simon took over the club was because it became clear after the green light was given brent had no way of building the mankover no matter how cheaply he managed to whing it too and he effectively bought brent out.

Hallett could've abandoned it and got the whole lot flattened, however he was on the same board as Brent and went along with it.  Are you saying Hallett put the club's needs secondary to the best deal he could get, knowing Brent had no money?

the work was started to have stopped it dead would have seen all the money spent at that time wasted as it was going to be refunded. Hallet was investing in the club before he bought out brent and continued to do so afterwards so whatever deal he could get he put far more money into the club than brent ever did hell ive put more money into the club buying a hot dog at the ground than brent probably.
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Coxside_Green wrote:
Greenskin wrote:
So does being "sustainable" in the championship mean that, if Argyle do reach that status over the short or medium term, no upward long term progress is envisaged?

For me sustainable would be having a middlish budget to work with.  We all know realistically it takes a few years to build a team capable of promotion which would be achievable with a mid table budget, as we've just seen in this season.  What bothers me is we're almost certainly starting with a relegation budget with no intent to increase capacity which would increase the budget.  It's the same old cycle as last time under Stapleton which is unlikely to end well.  As one of the locked out former flexi ticket holders there isn't much to get excited about.

As a flexi ticket holder last season you are entitled to purchase a season ticket for the upcoming season.
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Les Miserable wrote:
Coxside_Green wrote:
Greenskin wrote:
So does being "sustainable" in the championship mean that, if Argyle do reach that status over the short or medium term, no upward long term progress is envisaged?

For me sustainable would be having a middlish budget to work with.  We all know realistically it takes a few years to build a team capable of promotion which would be achievable with a mid table budget, as we've just seen in this season.  What bothers me is we're almost certainly starting with a relegation budget with no intent to increase capacity which would increase the budget.  It's the same old cycle as last time under Stapleton which is unlikely to end well.  As one of the locked out former flexi ticket holders there isn't much to get excited about.

As a flexi ticket holder last season you are entitled to purchase a season ticket for the upcoming season.

I know but I have to share my time and with rising costs buying an ST for 6 games isn't doable. I don't mind missing out but when they're not addressing capacity issues, it just doesn't sit right.
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Angry wrote:
Coxside_Green wrote:
Angry wrote:
Coxside_Green wrote:
Angry wrote:
Greenskin wrote:
So does being "sustainable" in the championship mean that, if Argyle do reach that status over the short or medium term, no upward long term progress is envisaged?

you cant make a cake if you dont have the right ingredients. You have to lay the foundations down in order for there to be any short to medium term goals once you have achieved the short term aims then you can build up and up until the ultimate goal is achieved and the benefits are far more rewarding than wanting the short term fix that have no long term benefits hoping that works. Staplewallet did that and look where that got us. The board now are far more savvy i feel.

Again with the stands they will be done we cant cut the attendance in our first year in the championship its small enough as it is (thankyou very much james brent) and once we are established as a championship side which may not happen next season but in a couple seasons time all going well im sure they will be done as a matter of urgency as the attendance is too small and should be 25000 imo so all the stands need to be looked at.

You can't lay all the capacity issues at James Brent's table.  Hallett and his 'savvy' team knew exactly what was what and went ahead with it.

you can when it was his plan that his friends loved and he gave it the green light and the whole reason simon took over the club was because it became clear after the green light was given brent had no way of building the mankover no matter how cheaply he managed to whing it too and he effectively bought brent out.

Hallett could've abandoned it and got the whole lot flattened, however he was on the same board as Brent and went along with it.  Are you saying Hallett put the club's needs secondary to the best deal he could get, knowing Brent had no money?

the work was started to have stopped it dead would have seen all the money spent at that time wasted as it was going to be refunded. Hallet was investing in the club before he bought out brent and continued to do so afterwards so whatever deal he could get he put far more money into the club than brent ever did hell ive put more money into the club buying a hot dog at the ground than brent probably.

The work he agreed to. Do you honestly believe Brent started the work and Hallett never had a scooby Brent had no money to see it through? Hallett was around from the days we were in administration, don't be so naïve.
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Coxside_Green wrote:


You can't lay all the capacity issues at James Brent's table.  Hallett and his 'savvy' team knew exactly what was what and went ahead with it.

..and Hallett and his 'savvy' team have told you time and time again why they went ahead with a rebuild (a new stand was too expensive) and yet you refuse to acknowledge it. You and others live in some sort of alternative reality.



Coxside_Green wrote:
 As one of the locked out former flexi ticket holders there isn't much to get excited about.

Once again you ignore the reality. You are not locked out. You qualify to buy a season ticket.
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Coxside_Green wrote:


We all know by now the usual routine of relegation, best players out of contract leave or they're sold, leaving us with the aged, crocked or underperforming disinterested.  If £3.7 to £4m is the benchmark it'll be another decade while the eventual new own jizz's money on another white elephant, maybe we'll get the dentist built.

Jeez, you're hard work...

Next seasons budget has been announced (How many clubs do that?). It's in the 12 million range. So triple what you're thinking it is.

You need to start reading more.
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Rickler wrote:
Coxside_Green wrote:


You can't lay all the capacity issues at James Brent's table.  Hallett and his 'savvy' team knew exactly what was what and went ahead with it.

..and Hallett and his 'savvy' team have told you time and time again why they went ahead with a rebuild (a new stand was too expensive) and yet you refuse to acknowledge it.  You and others live in some sort of alternative reality.



Coxside_Green wrote:
 As one of the locked out former flexi ticket holders there isn't much to get excited about.

Once again you ignore the reality.  You are not locked out.  You qualify to buy a season ticket.  

...and many times I and others stated elsewhere we're better off waiting for someone who can do it proper. There's plenty of people wanting to buy a football club, we seem to have a knack of keeping it local or 'known' or friends of (as per the Japanese connection).
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Rickler wrote:
Coxside_Green wrote:


We all know by now the usual routine of relegation, best players out of contract leave or they're sold, leaving us with the aged, crocked or underperforming disinterested.  If £3.7 to £4m is the benchmark it'll be another decade while the eventual new own jizz's money on another white elephant, maybe we'll get the dentist built.

Jeez, you're hard work...

Next seasons budget has been announced (How many clubs do that?).  It's in the 12 million range.  So triple what you're thinking it is.

You need to start reading more.


You keep calling me an idiot, idiot. If you learn to comprehend you'll understand '£3.7 to £4m' pertains to a league one budget. Go brush up on your English skills.
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Rickler wrote:
Coxside_Green wrote:


You can't lay all the capacity issues at James Brent's table.  Hallett and his 'savvy' team knew exactly what was what and went ahead with it.

..and Hallett and his 'savvy' team have told you time and time again why they went ahead with a rebuild (a new stand was too expensive) and yet you refuse to acknowledge it.  You and others live in some sort of alternative reality.



Coxside_Green wrote:
 As one of the locked out former flexi ticket holders there isn't much to get excited about.

Once again you ignore the reality.  You are not locked out.  You qualify to buy a season ticket.  

At what cost, a 3-400% increase. Not viable in either time nor money in my household. I could accept being locked out if capacity issues were being sorted but oh no, doing the corners isn't viable. You would've given Brent evils for saying the same thing, hypocrite.
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Coxside_Green wrote:
Rickler wrote:
Coxside_Green wrote:


We all know by now the usual routine of relegation, best players out of contract leave or they're sold, leaving us with the aged, crocked or underperforming disinterested.  If £3.7 to £4m is the benchmark it'll be another decade while the eventual new own jizz's money on another white elephant, maybe we'll get the dentist built.

Jeez, you're hard work...

Next seasons budget has been announced (How many clubs do that?).  It's in the 12 million range.  So triple what you're thinking it is.

You need to start reading more.


You keep calling me an idiot, idiot.  If you learn to comprehend you'll understand '£3.7 to £4m' pertains to a league one budget.  Go brush up on your English skills.

You said "is" the benchmark, not 'was', so it's you that needs to brush up on English skills.  ..and clearly 3.7 to 4m was enough to make us Champions, so the 'benchmark' was  good enough.

So you think an acadamy training center, practice pitches etc is a white elephant?  It's the sort of 'elephant' that practically ever prem and championship club has.  So are you telling me and them they are all wrong?


and once again...  You're not being locked out.  That is a lie.  You are simply deciding to spend your money elsewhere.  You might be 'priced out" but you're not locked out.  There is a difference.  An important one

..and do you really think that if the corners were completed that season tickets would be cheaper and the flexi pass still going?


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Rickler wrote:
Coxside_Green wrote:
Rickler wrote:
Coxside_Green wrote:


We all know by now the usual routine of relegation, best players out of contract leave or they're sold, leaving us with the aged, crocked or underperforming disinterested.  If £3.7 to £4m is the benchmark it'll be another decade while the eventual new own jizz's money on another white elephant, maybe we'll get the dentist built.

Jeez, you're hard work...

Next seasons budget has been announced (How many clubs do that?).  It's in the 12 million range.  So triple what you're thinking it is.

You need to start reading more.


You keep calling me an idiot, idiot.  If you learn to comprehend you'll understand '£3.7 to £4m' pertains to a league one budget.  Go brush up on your English skills.

You said "is" the benchmark, not 'was', so it's you that needs to brush up on English skills.  ..and clearly 3.7 to 4m was enough to make us Champions, so the 'benchmark' was  good enough.

So you thing an acadamy training center, practice pitches etc is a white elephant?  It's the sort of 'elephant' that practically ever prem and championship club has.  So are you telling me and them they are all wrong?


and once again...  You're not being locked out.  That is a lie.  You are simply deciding to spend your money elsewhere.  You might be 'priced out" but you're not locked out.  There is a difference.  An important one

FO.  We're talking football not Wordsworth.  It was obvious I was talking about a League One budget should we be relegated.

The academy will be interesting, they cost money to run, just like the youth home we used to own, it got sold.

I think you'll find many football supporters have walked away after astronomical increases, it's not a lie, it's a fact.

Are you a narcissist? I see a lot of anger and a real desire to try and control me & my thoughts. Lighten up you puppet.
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Coxside_Green wrote:
Rickler wrote:
Coxside_Green wrote:
Rickler wrote:
Coxside_Green wrote:


We all know by now the usual routine of relegation, best players out of contract leave or they're sold, leaving us with the aged, crocked or underperforming disinterested.  If £3.7 to £4m is the benchmark it'll be another decade while the eventual new own jizz's money on another white elephant, maybe we'll get the dentist built.

Jeez, you're hard work...

Next seasons budget has been announced (How many clubs do that?).  It's in the 12 million range.  So triple what you're thinking it is.

You need to start reading more.


You keep calling me an idiot, idiot.  If you learn to comprehend you'll understand '£3.7 to £4m' pertains to a league one budget.  Go brush up on your English skills.

You said "is" the benchmark, not 'was', so it's you that needs to brush up on English skills.  ..and clearly 3.7 to 4m was enough to make us Champions, so the 'benchmark' was  good enough.

So you thing an acadamy training center, practice pitches etc is a white elephant?  It's the sort of 'elephant' that practically ever prem and championship club has.  So are you telling me and them they are all wrong?


and once again...  You're not being locked out.  That is a lie.  You are simply deciding to spend your money elsewhere.  You might be 'priced out" but you're not locked out.  There is a difference.  An important one

FO.  We're talking football not Wordsworth.  It was obvious I was talking about a League One budget should we be relegated.

Then what are you moaning about? That amount was enough to get us promoted as champions.

Meanwhile.. ..and do you really think that if the corners were completed that season tickets would be cheaper and the flexi pass would still be going and you wouldn't be "locked out"?
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Rickler wrote:
Coxside_Green wrote:
Rickler wrote:
Coxside_Green wrote:
Rickler wrote:
Coxside_Green wrote:


We all know by now the usual routine of relegation, best players out of contract leave or they're sold, leaving us with the aged, crocked or underperforming disinterested.  If £3.7 to £4m is the benchmark it'll be another decade while the eventual new own jizz's money on another white elephant, maybe we'll get the dentist built.

Jeez, you're hard work...

Next seasons budget has been announced (How many clubs do that?).  It's in the 12 million range.  So triple what you're thinking it is.

You need to start reading more.


You keep calling me an idiot, idiot.  If you learn to comprehend you'll understand '£3.7 to £4m' pertains to a league one budget.  Go brush up on your English skills.

You said "is" the benchmark, not 'was', so it's you that needs to brush up on English skills.  ..and clearly 3.7 to 4m was enough to make us Champions, so the 'benchmark' was  good enough.

So you thing an acadamy training center, practice pitches etc is a white elephant?  It's the sort of 'elephant' that practically ever prem and championship club has.  So are you telling me and them they are all wrong?


and once again...  You're not being locked out.  That is a lie.  You are simply deciding to spend your money elsewhere.  You might be 'priced out" but you're not locked out.  There is a difference.  An important one

FO.  We're talking football not Wordsworth.  It was obvious I was talking about a League One budget should we be relegated.

Then what are you moaning about?  That amount was enough to get us promoted as champions.

Meanwhile..   ..and do you really think that if the corners were completed that season tickets would be cheaper and the flexi pass would still be going and you wouldn't be "locked out"?

This season's promotion was nothing short of a miracle. I can't take anything away from the manager & players, they were incredible, and credit goes from top down. However it's unlikely we'll ever see that again on a £3.7-4m budget, and why was the budget so low to begin with?

Flexi pass? Don't make it sound like some sort of freebie, it worked well for the club for years. Picking 6 matches in the 4th division wasn't that easy, picking 7-12 was even harder, yes we doubled up sometimes.
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So how do we start to be a sustainable championship club ?
Waiting for someone to do it proper is it ?
Spending millions on players with extraordinary high salaries?

Since Brent’s bailed out it seems some are determined to find an issue with Hallett’s ownership and the club in general.
I see no point now in continually arguing over the Grandstand, we would all like to see the corners filled in but they’re not considered a high priority at the moment and it is what it is at the moment and the grandstand is commercially successful, so that’s good isn’t it ?
The club is laying foundations to be sustainable, like it or not it has to be successfully managed commercially.
In regard to our playing budget, whether it’s the lowest in the championship I don’t know but no doubt the same protagonists were moaning about the budget at the start of the last season and what happened, well we know what happened.
Part of the investment the club have made is the management team, from the chief executive down the pyramid to Schumacher and his team and nobody can have any doubt how well they’ve done so far and I’ve no doubt at all that succession planning is already underway to replace Schumacher should he leave and if he does leave it’ll because we’re performing well in the championship.
I prefer to look at the likes of Bournemouth, Brentford and Brighton, teams who for most of my football watching career were level or below us for most of the time.
So there’s hope for Argyle yet.
Most strange of all is the castigation of the club that we’re not a sustainable championship club, bit premature don’t you think, FFS we haven’t kicked off yet !
I read the comment that flexi ticket holders being locked out of obtaining an ST, well that kind of comment does show a lack of knowledge of all things Argyle.
Looking forward to next week when the new signings appear and roll on August.

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Graiser wrote:
So how do we start to be a sustainable championship club ?
Waiting for someone to do it proper is it ?
Spending millions on players with extraordinary high salaries?

Since Brent’s bailed out it seems some are determined to find an issue with Hallett’s ownership and the club in general.
I see no point now in continually arguing over the Grandstand, we would all like to see the corners filled in but they’re not considered a high priority at the moment and it is what it is at the moment and the grandstand is commercially successful, so that’s good isn’t it ?
The club is laying foundations to be sustainable, like it or not it has to be successfully managed commercially.
In regard to our playing budget, whether it’s the lowest in the championship I don’t know but no doubt the same protagonists were moaning about the budget at the start of the last season and what happened, well we know what happened.
Part of the investment the club have made is the management team, from the chief executive down the pyramid to Schumacher and his team and nobody can have any doubt how well they’ve done so far and I’ve no doubt at all that succession planning is already underway to replace Schumacher should he leave and if he does leave it’ll because we’re performing well in the championship.
I prefer to look at the likes of Bournemouth, Brentford and Brighton, teams who for most of my football watching career were level or below us for most of the time.
So there’s hope for Argyle yet.
Most strange of all is the castigation of the club that we’re not a sustainable championship club, bit premature don’t you think, FFS we haven’t kicked off yet !
I read the comment that flexi ticket holders being locked out of obtaining an ST, well that kind of comment does show a lack of knowledge of all things Argyle.
Looking forward to next week when the new signings appear and roll on August.


Rather like Southampton, Norwich, Coventry and Ipswich were contemporary clubs at one time. And after they pulled ahead then Reading, Hull, Swansea, Bristol City and Cardiff followed suit both in terms of status and facilities. Seems to be a bit of a pattern there.
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Graiser wrote:
So how do we start to be a sustainable championship club ?
Waiting for someone to do it proper is it ?
Spending millions on players with extraordinary high salaries?

Since Brent’s bailed out it seems some are determined to find an issue with Hallett’s ownership and the club in general.
I see no point now in continually arguing over the Grandstand, we would all like to see the corners filled in but they’re not considered a high priority at the moment and it is what it is at the moment and the grandstand is commercially successful, so that’s good isn’t it ?
The club is laying foundations to be sustainable, like it or not it has to be successfully managed commercially.
In regard to our playing budget, whether it’s the lowest in the championship I don’t know but no doubt the same protagonists were moaning about the budget at the start of the last season and what happened, well we know what happened.
Part of the investment the club have made is the management team, from the chief executive down the pyramid to Schumacher and his team and nobody can have any doubt how well they’ve done so far and I’ve no doubt at all that succession planning is already underway to replace Schumacher should he leave and if he does leave it’ll because we’re performing well in the championship.
I prefer to look at the likes of Bournemouth, Brentford and Brighton, teams who for most of my football watching career were level or below us for most of the time.
So there’s hope for Argyle yet.
Most strange of all is the castigation of the club that we’re not a sustainable championship club, bit premature don’t you think, FFS we haven’t kicked off yet !
I read the comment that flexi ticket holders being locked out of obtaining an ST, well that kind of comment does show a lack of knowledge of all things Argyle.
Looking forward to next week when the new signings appear and roll on August.


lol!   I can't be bothered to pick all that ignorance apart.  I will just quote Bournemouth though, backed by wealth, which leads you back to your initial questions.

Oh, and nowhere have I said a flexi ticket hold can't obtain a season ticket, I've merely pointed out it'll be a 400% price hike if I want to attend 6 games, you can't move the goal posts to suit your own agenda on this, it's a price hike or I can FO, or buy an evergreen which guarantees nothing. If I don't agree I'm locked out.
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Coxside_Green wrote:
Graiser wrote:
So how do we start to be a sustainable championship club ?
Waiting for someone to do it proper is it ?
Spending millions on players with extraordinary high salaries?

Since Brent’s bailed out it seems some are determined to find an issue with Hallett’s ownership and the club in general.
I see no point now in continually arguing over the Grandstand, we would all like to see the corners filled in but they’re not considered a high priority at the moment and it is what it is at the moment and the grandstand is commercially successful, so that’s good isn’t it ?
The club is laying foundations to be sustainable, like it or not it has to be successfully managed commercially.
In regard to our playing budget, whether it’s the lowest in the championship I don’t know but no doubt the same protagonists were moaning about the budget at the start of the last season and what happened, well we know what happened.
Part of the investment the club have made is the management team, from the chief executive down the pyramid to Schumacher and his team and nobody can have any doubt how well they’ve done so far and I’ve no doubt at all that succession planning is already underway to replace Schumacher should he leave and if he does leave it’ll because we’re performing well in the championship.
I prefer to look at the likes of Bournemouth, Brentford and Brighton, teams who for most of my football watching career were level or below us for most of the time.
So there’s hope for Argyle yet.
Most strange of all is the castigation of the club that we’re not a sustainable championship club, bit premature don’t you think, FFS we haven’t kicked off yet !
I read the comment that flexi ticket holders being locked out of obtaining an ST, well that kind of comment does show a lack of knowledge of all things Argyle.
Looking forward to next week when the new signings appear and roll on August.


lol!   I can't be bothered to pick all that ignorance apart.Well I never thought you would  I will just quote Bournemouth though, backed by wealth, which leads you back to your initial questions.

Oh, and nowhere have I said a flexi ticket hold can't obtain a season ticket, I've merely pointed out it'll be a 400% price hike if I want to attend 6 games, you can't move the goal posts to suit your own agenda on this, it's a price hike or I can FO, or buy an evergreen which guarantees nothing.  If I don't agree I'm locked out.
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lol!   I can't be bothered to pick all that ignorance apart.

Oh go on. Please... I think i'd really enjoy reading it. I have a strong feeling you might even redifine the word 'Ignorance'.
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Graiser wrote:
Coxside_Green wrote:
Graiser wrote:
So how do we start to be a sustainable championship club ?
Waiting for someone to do it proper is it ?
Spending millions on players with extraordinary high salaries?

Since Brent’s bailed out it seems some are determined to find an issue with Hallett’s ownership and the club in general.
I see no point now in continually arguing over the Grandstand, we would all like to see the corners filled in but they’re not considered a high priority at the moment and it is what it is at the moment and the grandstand is commercially successful, so that’s good isn’t it ?
The club is laying foundations to be sustainable, like it or not it has to be successfully managed commercially.
In regard to our playing budget, whether it’s the lowest in the championship I don’t know but no doubt the same protagonists were moaning about the budget at the start of the last season and what happened, well we know what happened.
Part of the investment the club have made is the management team, from the chief executive down the pyramid to Schumacher and his team and nobody can have any doubt how well they’ve done so far and I’ve no doubt at all that succession planning is already underway to replace Schumacher should he leave and if he does leave it’ll because we’re performing well in the championship.
I prefer to look at the likes of Bournemouth, Brentford and Brighton, teams who for most of my football watching career were level or below us for most of the time.
So there’s hope for Argyle yet.
Most strange of all is the castigation of the club that we’re not a sustainable championship club, bit premature don’t you think, FFS we haven’t kicked off yet !
I read the comment that flexi ticket holders being locked out of obtaining an ST, well that kind of comment does show a lack of knowledge of all things Argyle.
Looking forward to next week when the new signings appear and roll on August.


lol!   I can't be bothered to pick all that ignorance apart.Well I never thought you would  I will just quote Bournemouth though, backed by wealth, which leads you back to your initial questions.

Oh, and nowhere have I said a flexi ticket hold can't obtain a season ticket, I've merely pointed out it'll be a 400% price hike if I want to attend 6 games, you can't move the goal posts to suit your own agenda on this, it's a price hike or I can FO, or buy an evergreen which guarantees nothing.  If I don't agree I'm locked out.

You quoted Bournemouth, they spent millions and cheated the rules to get to the Prem, is this what you want? You lied about what you saw in reference to flexi ticket holders 'flexi ticket holders being locked out of obtaining an ST', nobody has said that. The Grandstand which really is the big issue and the fact filling the corners is not viable, you just want to sweep under the carpet. You really aren't worth a reply.
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Coxside_Green wrote:
Graiser wrote:
Coxside_Green wrote:
Graiser wrote:
So how do we start to be a sustainable championship club ?
Waiting for someone to do it proper is it ?
Spending millions on players with extraordinary high salaries?

Since Brent’s bailed out it seems some are determined to find an issue with Hallett’s ownership and the club in general.
I see no point now in continually arguing over the Grandstand, we would all like to see the corners filled in but they’re not considered a high priority at the moment and it is what it is at the moment and the grandstand is commercially successful, so that’s good isn’t it ?
The club is laying foundations to be sustainable, like it or not it has to be successfully managed commercially.
In regard to our playing budget, whether it’s the lowest in the championship I don’t know but no doubt the same protagonists were moaning about the budget at the start of the last season and what happened, well we know what happened.
Part of the investment the club have made is the management team, from the chief executive down the pyramid to Schumacher and his team and nobody can have any doubt how well they’ve done so far and I’ve no doubt at all that succession planning is already underway to replace Schumacher should he leave and if he does leave it’ll because we’re performing well in the championship.
I prefer to look at the likes of Bournemouth, Brentford and Brighton, teams who for most of my football watching career were level or below us for most of the time.
So there’s hope for Argyle yet.
Most strange of all is the castigation of the club that we’re not a sustainable championship club, bit premature don’t you think, FFS we haven’t kicked off yet !
I read the comment that flexi ticket holders being locked out of obtaining an ST, well that kind of comment does show a lack of knowledge of all things Argyle.
Looking forward to next week when the new signings appear and roll on August.


lol!   I can't be bothered to pick all that ignorance apart.Well I never thought you would  I will just quote Bournemouth though, backed by wealth, which leads you back to your initial questions.

Oh, and nowhere have I said a flexi ticket hold can't obtain a season ticket, I've merely pointed out it'll be a 400% price hike if I want to attend 6 games, you can't move the goal posts to suit your own agenda on this, it's a price hike or I can FO, or buy an evergreen which guarantees nothing.  If I don't agree I'm locked out.

You quoted Bournemouth, they spent millions and cheated the rules to get to the Prem, is this what you want?  You lied about what you saw in reference to flexi ticket holders 'flexi ticket holders being locked out of obtaining an ST', nobody has said that.  The Grandstand which really is the big issue and the fact filling the corners is not viable, you just want to sweep under the carpet.  You really aren't worth a reply.

Cheated the rules did they ? yes they had a rich owner and a 10k capacity ground and no it’s not what I would want for Argyle but they did it again with new ownership and the same capacity ground.
In regard to the HP’s corners I’m not sweeping them under the carpet, can’t you read ? I would like them filled in, I would think every supporter would want them filled in, I’m fed up looking at the “Scutum” sign which I misread every time as “Scrotum” but it’s priorities isn’t it ?
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Graiser wrote:
Coxside_Green wrote:
Graiser wrote:
Coxside_Green wrote:
Graiser wrote:
So how do we start to be a sustainable championship club ?
Waiting for someone to do it proper is it ?
Spending millions on players with extraordinary high salaries?

Since Brent’s bailed out it seems some are determined to find an issue with Hallett’s ownership and the club in general.
I see no point now in continually arguing over the Grandstand, we would all like to see the corners filled in but they’re not considered a high priority at the moment and it is what it is at the moment and the grandstand is commercially successful, so that’s good isn’t it ?
The club is laying foundations to be sustainable, like it or not it has to be successfully managed commercially.
In regard to our playing budget, whether it’s the lowest in the championship I don’t know but no doubt the same protagonists were moaning about the budget at the start of the last season and what happened, well we know what happened.
Part of the investment the club have made is the management team, from the chief executive down the pyramid to Schumacher and his team and nobody can have any doubt how well they’ve done so far and I’ve no doubt at all that succession planning is already underway to replace Schumacher should he leave and if he does leave it’ll because we’re performing well in the championship.
I prefer to look at the likes of Bournemouth, Brentford and Brighton, teams who for most of my football watching career were level or below us for most of the time.
So there’s hope for Argyle yet.
Most strange of all is the castigation of the club that we’re not a sustainable championship club, bit premature don’t you think, FFS we haven’t kicked off yet !
I read the comment that flexi ticket holders being locked out of obtaining an ST, well that kind of comment does show a lack of knowledge of all things Argyle.
Looking forward to next week when the new signings appear and roll on August.


lol!   I can't be bothered to pick all that ignorance apart.Well I never thought you would  I will just quote Bournemouth though, backed by wealth, which leads you back to your initial questions.

Oh, and nowhere have I said a flexi ticket hold can't obtain a season ticket, I've merely pointed out it'll be a 400% price hike if I want to attend 6 games, you can't move the goal posts to suit your own agenda on this, it's a price hike or I can FO, or buy an evergreen which guarantees nothing.  If I don't agree I'm locked out.

You quoted Bournemouth, they spent millions and cheated the rules to get to the Prem, is this what you want?  You lied about what you saw in reference to flexi ticket holders 'flexi ticket holders being locked out of obtaining an ST', nobody has said that.  The Grandstand which really is the big issue and the fact filling the corners is not viable, you just want to sweep under the carpet.  You really aren't worth a reply.

Cheated the rules did they ? yes they had a rich owner and a 10k capacity ground and no it’s not what I would want for Argyle but they did it again with new ownership and the same capacity ground.
In regard to the HP’s corners I’m not sweeping them under the carpet, can’t you read ? I would like them filled in, I would think every supporter would want them filled in, I’m fed up looking at the “Scutum” sign which I misread every time as “Scrotum” but it’s  priorities isn’t it ?

Bournemouth did it again, in receipt of parachute payments, there's just no comparison with us, and yes they got fined after their 1st promotion.  You said there's no point arguing over the grandstand, it's a massive issue when we are now being told the corners are not viable.  Just like the horse shoe was supposed to take an extra tier, we've been misled.  Enjoy the shit budget while 1000s are locked out.
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Coxside_Green wrote:
Graiser wrote:
Coxside_Green wrote:
Graiser wrote:
Coxside_Green wrote:
Graiser wrote:
So how do we start to be a sustainable championship club ?
Waiting for someone to do it proper is it ?
Spending millions on players with extraordinary high salaries?

Since Brent’s bailed out it seems some are determined to find an issue with Hallett’s ownership and the club in general.
I see no point now in continually arguing over the Grandstand, we would all like to see the corners filled in but they’re not considered a high priority at the moment and it is what it is at the moment and the grandstand is commercially successful, so that’s good isn’t it ?
The club is laying foundations to be sustainable, like it or not it has to be successfully managed commercially.
In regard to our playing budget, whether it’s the lowest in the championship I don’t know but no doubt the same protagonists were moaning about the budget at the start of the last season and what happened, well we know what happened.
Part of the investment the club have made is the management team, from the chief executive down the pyramid to Schumacher and his team and nobody can have any doubt how well they’ve done so far and I’ve no doubt at all that succession planning is already underway to replace Schumacher should he leave and if he does leave it’ll because we’re performing well in the championship.
I prefer to look at the likes of Bournemouth, Brentford and Brighton, teams who for most of my football watching career were level or below us for most of the time.
So there’s hope for Argyle yet.
Most strange of all is the castigation of the club that we’re not a sustainable championship club, bit premature don’t you think, FFS we haven’t kicked off yet !
I read the comment that flexi ticket holders being locked out of obtaining an ST, well that kind of comment does show a lack of knowledge of all things Argyle.
Looking forward to next week when the new signings appear and roll on August.


lol!   I can't be bothered to pick all that ignorance apart.Well I never thought you would  I will just quote Bournemouth though, backed by wealth, which leads you back to your initial questions.

Oh, and nowhere have I said a flexi ticket hold can't obtain a season ticket, I've merely pointed out it'll be a 400% price hike if I want to attend 6 games, you can't move the goal posts to suit your own agenda on this, it's a price hike or I can FO, or buy an evergreen which guarantees nothing.  If I don't agree I'm locked out.

You quoted Bournemouth, they spent millions and cheated the rules to get to the Prem, is this what you want?  You lied about what you saw in reference to flexi ticket holders 'flexi ticket holders being locked out of obtaining an ST', nobody has said that.  The Grandstand which really is the big issue and the fact filling the corners is not viable, you just want to sweep under the carpet.  You really aren't worth a reply.

Cheated the rules did they ? yes they had a rich owner and a 10k capacity ground and no it’s not what I would want for Argyle but they did it again with new ownership and the same capacity ground.
In regard to the HP’s corners I’m not sweeping them under the carpet, can’t you read ? I would like them filled in, I would think every supporter would want them filled in, I’m fed up looking at the “Scutum” sign which I misread every time as “Scrotum” but it’s  priorities isn’t it ?

Bournemouth did it again, in receipt of parachute payments, there's just no comparison with us, and yes they got fined after their 1st promotion.  You said there's no point arguing over the grandstand, it's a massive issue when we are now being told the corners are not viable.  Just like the horse shoe was supposed to take an extra tier, we've been misled.  Enjoy the shit budget while 1000s are locked out.

I certainly will as I did when the crowds were only 4 figures.
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