Rovers V Argyle

akagreengull wrote:

Angry wrote:

he is feeling the heat and its shows.

I always think that when managers say "getting back to basics" they mean I am going to kick some arses.

I'll believe it when i see it cause he seems to be easy to win round just ask wootton and canavan they have new improved deals!!!

Grovehill wrote:

akagreengull wrote:

Difficult for the guy, thought he had a system to do well in the league and it's all come crashing down, I think he will sus it out (hopefully soon).

Fifteen goals conceded in the last five league games, not exactly a quick learner is he?

The deficiencies in the team, and more importantly, Lowe's tactics have been clear right from the start of last season, as I pointed out at the time.

TBH,  Argyle  shouldn't even be in this league, last season got suspended at the perfect time, any sooner or later and Exeter would have gone up instead.

And Exeter would certainly not be losing by 3/4 goals every match. It's true we have been very poor all season but lucky with some earlier results. Lowe is not good enough to manage in L1. I cannot see where the point or even goal is going to come from.

And where do we go if we sack Lowe, his staff, and pay them all off? ... Sol Campbell? Paul Tisdale? Nah, he has to stay for the rest of the season come what may. Hopefully he can turn it around sooner rather than later.

Paul Cook Phil Parkinson Gary Johnson Matt Taylor (But why would he move)Graham Coughlan (not my choice but he is available) Gary Monk (once "a possible future England Manager") Alan Pardew Phil Brown Darren Moore, Mick McCarthy Paul Hurst Ian Holloway and so on and so on

Any new manager would inherit this team and I don't think the team is league 1 standard.

To state the obvious, something isn't right. Teams are running and playing straight through us, the ball isn't sticking with the front, the midfield is fragile and the defence is left exposed. Yesterday was the prime example, strange though it sounds we had more of the ball, created chances, should have scored at least 4, but end up losing 3 - 0, through defensive frailties and the lack of a dominating presence in midfield.

Perhaps it's time to set up with a more solid shape, 4-4-2, two banks of 4, Mayor playing behind the front 2, Fornah or MaCleod sitting in front of the back 4. Nouble up front holding the ball up with runners either side.

As for sacking the manager, that's totally ridiculous. He got us up, despite what Freathy, Grovehill and the like say, we were one the best teams in the L2 last season, and have shown we can beat anyone in L1. Give Lowe a chance to put things right, which I'm sure he's capable of doing. We have good players, but are short of a commanding defender, to play alongside Opoku and Watts who have both done little wrong.

To call for a manager to be sacked after a bad run of 6 games, is mindless.

PlymptonPilgrim wrote:

To state the obvious, something isn't right. Teams are running and playing straight through us, the ball isn't sticking with the front, the midfield is fragile and the defence is left exposed. Yesterday was the prime example, strange though it sounds we had more of the ball, created chances, should have scored at least 4, but end up losing 3 - 0, through defensive frailties and the lack of a dominating presence in midfield.

Perhaps it's time to set up with a more solid shape, 4-4-2, two banks of 4, Mayor playing behind the front 2, Fornah or MaCleod sitting in front of the back 4. Nouble up front holding the ball up with runners either side.

As for sacking the manager, that's totally ridiculous. He got us up, despite what Freathy, Grovehill and the like say, we were one the best teams in the L2 last season, and have shown we can beat anyone in L1. Give Lowe a chance to put things right, which I'm sure he's capable of doing. We have good players, but are short of a commanding defender, to play alongside Opoku and Watts who have both done little wrong.

To call for a manager to be sacked after a bad run of 6 games, is mindless.

so when's the line to be drawn should Lowe not turn it around? last game of the season like last time?

First real wobble we’ve had since Lowes been here, talk about sacking him is ridiculous, the thing we are really lacking on the pitch is leadership, someone who’ll give a  rollicking, Wotton for all his failings was a leader as was Coughlan, we do not have anybody like that.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Epoku was sent back when his loan ends in January, he hasn’t been at it for some weeks, time to get a blood and spotters CH.

Bradford City have sacked Stuart McColl after six defeats on the trot

Grovehill wrote:

Paul Cook Phil Parkinson Gary Johnson Matt Taylor (But why would he move)Graham Coughlan (not my choice but he is available) Gary Monk (once "a possible future England Manager") Alan Pardew Phil Brown Darren Moore, Mick McCarthy Paul  Hurst Ian Holloway and so on and so on

Paul Cook unlikely, Phil Parkinson piss artist, Gary Johnson is at his level, Matt Taylor don’t be ridiculous, Graham Coughlan we dodged a bullet not giving him the job over Lowe, Gary Monk maybe but L1 level ?, Alan Pardew you must be joking, Phil Brown busted flush, Darren Moore happy where he is, Mick McCarthy not his level, Paul Hurst managing at championship level, Ian Holloway is finished.
Do you really think we could afford to sack Lowe and all his entourage and the pay compensation for a manager already employed?
Too much knee jerk going on here, he’s a young manager give him his chance to sort it

PlymptonPilgrim wrote:

To state the obvious, something isn't right. Teams are running and playing straight through us, the ball isn't sticking with the front, the midfield is fragile and the defence is left exposed. Yesterday was the prime example, strange though it sounds we had more of the ball, created chances, should have scored at least 4, but end up losing 3 - 0, through defensive frailties and the lack of a dominating presence in midfield.

Perhaps it's time to set up with a more solid shape, 4-4-2, two banks of 4, Mayor playing behind the front 2, Fornah or MaCleod sitting in front of the back 4. Nouble up front holding the ball up with runners either side.

As for sacking the manager, that's totally ridiculous. He got us up, despite what Freathy, Grovehill and the like say, we were one the best teams in the L2 last season, and have shown we can beat anyone in L1. Give Lowe a chance to put things right, which I'm sure he's capable of doing. We have good players, but are short of a commanding defender, to play alongside Opoku and Watts who have both done little wrong.

To call for a manager to be sacked after a bad run of 6 games, is mindless.

There has to come a time when enough is enough. Lowe's lack of a Plan B and tactical nous was questioned right from the time he came. Changing formation seems beyond him, he's currently playing players out of their usual position to fit in with the formation he seems unable to move away from. As for saying we are short of a commanding defender (or that we need other signings) all but a couple of yesterday's players were signed by Lowe. He must have signed more players in the last 18 months than any other Manager in the last 50 years! But would any of his signings command a fee? I seriously doubt it. His so called "big" signings are very poor-Cooper & Telford can't get a game, Mayor flatters to deceive with no end product and injury prone Aimson certainly isn't the defender we were lead to believe he was.

Graiser wrote:

Grovehill wrote:

Paul Cook Phil Parkinson Gary Johnson Matt Taylor (But why would he move)Graham Coughlan (not my choice but he is available) Gary Monk (once "a possible future England Manager") Alan Pardew Phil Brown Darren Moore, Mick McCarthy Paul  Hurst Ian Holloway and so on and so on

Paul Cook unlikely, Phil Parkinson piss artist, Gary Johnson is at his level, Matt Taylor don’t be ridiculous, Graham Coughlan we dodged a bullet not giving him the job over Lowe, Gary Monk maybe but L1 level ?, Alan Pardew you must be joking, Phil Brown busted flush, Darren Moore happy where he is, Mick McCarthy not his level, Paul Hurst managing at championship level, Ian Holloway is finished.
Do you really think we could afford to sack Lowe and all his entourage and the pay compensation for a manager already employed?
Too much knee jerk going on here, he’s a young manager give him his chance to sort it

That's just a few names ff the top of my head to demonstrate their are options.

As for giving Lowe a chance to sort it out, that might well be at the cost of relegation

And do you really think it's a better option to save money by not sacking a manager that's not up to the job? How much would another relegation cost?

As an aside, I think Lowe is lucky that crowds are limited atm, otherwise it would be all to easy to see people voting with their feet, cos you'd not get 10,000 watching this crock of shyte.

Grovehill wrote:

PlymptonPilgrim wrote:

To state the obvious, something isn't right. Teams are running and playing straight through us, the ball isn't sticking with the front, the midfield is fragile and the defence is left exposed. Yesterday was the prime example, strange though it sounds we had more of the ball, created chances, should have scored at least 4, but end up losing 3 - 0, through defensive frailties and the lack of a dominating presence in midfield.

Perhaps it's time to set up with a more solid shape, 4-4-2, two banks of 4, Mayor playing behind the front 2, Fornah or MaCleod sitting in front of the back 4. Nouble up front holding the ball up with runners either side.

As for sacking the manager, that's totally ridiculous. He got us up, despite what Freathy, Grovehill and the like say, we were one the best teams in the L2 last season, and have shown we can beat anyone in L1. Give Lowe a chance to put things right, which I'm sure he's capable of doing. We have good players, but are short of a commanding defender, to play alongside Opoku and Watts who have both done little wrong.

To call for a manager to be sacked after a bad run of 6 games, is mindless.

There has to come a time when enough is enough. Lowe's lack of a Plan B  and tactical nous was questioned right from the time he came. Changing formation seems beyond him, he's currently playing players out of their usual position to fit in with the formation he seems unable to move away from. As for saying we are short of a commanding defender (or that we need other signings) all but a couple of yesterday's players were signed by Lowe. He must have signed more players in the last 18 months than any other Manager in the last 50 years! But would any of his signings command a fee? I seriously doubt it. His so called "big" signings are very poor-Cooper & Telford can't get a game, Mayor flatters to deceive with no end product and injury prone Aimson certainly isn't the defender we were lead to believe he was.  

That time is not now

Grovehill wrote:

Graiser wrote:

Grovehill wrote:

Paul Cook Phil Parkinson Gary Johnson Matt Taylor (But why would he move)Graham Coughlan (not my choice but he is available) Gary Monk (once "a possible future England Manager") Alan Pardew Phil Brown Darren Moore, Mick McCarthy Paul  Hurst Ian Holloway and so on and so on

Paul Cook unlikely, Phil Parkinson piss artist, Gary Johnson is at his level, Matt Taylor don’t be ridiculous, Graham Coughlan we dodged a bullet not giving him the job over Lowe, Gary Monk maybe but L1 level ?, Alan Pardew you must be joking, Phil Brown busted flush, Darren Moore happy where he is, Mick McCarthy not his level, Paul Hurst managing at championship level, Ian Holloway is finished.
Do you really think we could afford to sack Lowe and all his entourage and the pay compensation for a manager already employed?
Too much knee jerk going on here, he’s a young manager give him his chance to sort it

That's just a few names ff the top of my head to demonstrate their are options.

As for giving Lowe a chance to sort it out, that might well be at the cost of relegation

And do you really think it's a better option to save money by not sacking a manager that's not up to the job? How much would another relegation cost?

As an aside, I think Lowe is lucky that crowds are limited atm, otherwise it would be all to easy to see people voting with their feet, cos you'd not get 10,000 watching this crock of shyte.

We get the old "give them time to sort it out" stuff every time we get a duff manager. We had it with Clueless Carl. Sack him now or it will be too late to save us from a very prompt return to the basement.

Freathy wrote:

Grovehill wrote:

Graiser wrote:

Grovehill wrote:

Paul Cook Phil Parkinson Gary Johnson Matt Taylor (But why would he move)Graham Coughlan (not my choice but he is available) Gary Monk (once "a possible future England Manager") Alan Pardew Phil Brown Darren Moore, Mick McCarthy Paul  Hurst Ian Holloway and so on and so on

Paul Cook unlikely, Phil Parkinson piss artist, Gary Johnson is at his level, Matt Taylor don’t be ridiculous, Graham Coughlan we dodged a bullet not giving him the job over Lowe, Gary Monk maybe but L1 level ?, Alan Pardew you must be joking, Phil Brown busted flush, Darren Moore happy where he is, Mick McCarthy not his level, Paul Hurst managing at championship level, Ian Holloway is finished.
Do you really think we could afford to sack Lowe and all his entourage and the pay compensation for a manager already employed?
Too much knee jerk going on here, he’s a young manager give him his chance to sort it

That's just a few names ff the top of my head to demonstrate their are options.

As for giving Lowe a chance to sort it out, that might well be at the cost of relegation

And do you really think it's a better option to save money by not sacking a manager that's not up to the job? How much would another relegation cost?

As an aside, I think Lowe is lucky that crowds are limited atm, otherwise it would be all to easy to see people voting with their feet, cos you'd not get 10,000 watching this crock of shyte.

We get the old "give them time to sort it out"  stuff every time we get a duff manager.  We had it with Clueless Carl.  Sack him now or it will be too late to save us from a very prompt return to the basement.

And whose your replacement going to be ?

Graiser wrote:

Freathy wrote:

Grovehill wrote:

Graiser wrote:

Grovehill wrote:

Paul Cook Phil Parkinson Gary Johnson Matt Taylor (But why would he move)Graham Coughlan (not my choice but he is available) Gary Monk (once "a possible future England Manager") Alan Pardew Phil Brown Darren Moore, Mick McCarthy Paul  Hurst Ian Holloway and so on and so on

Paul Cook unlikely, Phil Parkinson piss artist, Gary Johnson is at his level, Matt Taylor don’t be ridiculous, Graham Coughlan we dodged a bullet not giving him the job over Lowe, Gary Monk maybe but L1 level ?, Alan Pardew you must be joking, Phil Brown busted flush, Darren Moore happy where he is, Mick McCarthy not his level, Paul Hurst managing at championship level, Ian Holloway is finished.
Do you really think we could afford to sack Lowe and all his entourage and the pay compensation for a manager already employed?
Too much knee jerk going on here, he’s a young manager give him his chance to sort it

That's just a few names ff the top of my head to demonstrate their are options.

As for giving Lowe a chance to sort it out, that might well be at the cost of relegation

And do you really think it's a better option to save money by not sacking a manager that's not up to the job? How much would another relegation cost?

As an aside, I think Lowe is lucky that crowds are limited atm, otherwise it would be all to easy to see people voting with their feet, cos you'd not get 10,000 watching this crock of shyte.

We get the old "give them time to sort it out"  stuff every time we get a duff manager.  We had it with Clueless Carl.  Sack him now or it will be too late to save us from a very prompt return to the basement.

And whose your replacement going to be ?

I dunno but as far as I'm concerned Hallett has a duty to the supporters to get rid of a failing manager and replace him with a manager who is not completely out of his depth at this level.

Freathy wrote:

Graiser wrote:

Freathy wrote:

Grovehill wrote:

Graiser wrote:

Grovehill wrote:

Paul Cook Phil Parkinson Gary Johnson Matt Taylor (But why would he move)Graham Coughlan (not my choice but he is available) Gary Monk (once "a possible future England Manager") Alan Pardew Phil Brown Darren Moore, Mick McCarthy Paul  Hurst Ian Holloway and so on and so on

Paul Cook unlikely, Phil Parkinson piss artist, Gary Johnson is at his level, Matt Taylor don’t be ridiculous, Graham Coughlan we dodged a bullet not giving him the job over Lowe, Gary Monk maybe but L1 level ?, Alan Pardew you must be joking, Phil Brown busted flush, Darren Moore happy where he is, Mick McCarthy not his level, Paul Hurst managing at championship level, Ian Holloway is finished.
Do you really think we could afford to sack Lowe and all his entourage and the pay compensation for a manager already employed?
Too much knee jerk going on here, he’s a young manager give him his chance to sort it

That's just a few names ff the top of my head to demonstrate their are options.

As for giving Lowe a chance to sort it out, that might well be at the cost of relegation

And do you really think it's a better option to save money by not sacking a manager that's not up to the job? How much would another relegation cost?

As an aside, I think Lowe is lucky that crowds are limited atm, otherwise it would be all to easy to see people voting with their feet, cos you'd not get 10,000 watching this crock of shyte.

We get the old "give them time to sort it out"  stuff every time we get a duff manager.  We had it with Clueless Carl.  Sack him now or it will be too late to save us from a very prompt return to the basement.

And whose your replacement going to be ?

I dunno but as far as I'm concerned Hallett has a duty to the supporters to get rid of a failing manager and replace him with a manager who is not completely out of his depth at this level.

What do you mean you don’t know, so you’d sack a manager with no plan B to replace him! Typical .

i'll back lowe im not calling for his head, again staying up this season is/was the prime objective not a playoffs or promotion chase and build from there for next season and at the moment we are struggling to achieve staying up.
Things have to change and there is a point where if things aren't improving results wise then change is needed otherwise we will go down! Remember its 4 down in this league.  

We are in the results business not the sentimental one and some Argyle fans would happily watch Rome burn with the ashes around their feet then admit they're wrong and admit the manager should have gone sooner. As freathy mentioned this has been the case with carl fletcher and del bhey in recent years they stayed far too long when it was obvious they should have gone sooner and luggy mark 2 took 2 years to go! so the give them time shite is worrying to me when they dont draw a line if things still don't improve.

Angry wrote:

i'll back lowe im not calling for his head, again staying up this season is/was the prime objective  not a playoffs or promotion chase  and build from there for next season and at the moment we are struggling to achieve staying up.
Things have to change and there is a point where if things aren't improving results wise then change is needed otherwise we will go down! Remember its 4 down in this league.  

We are in the results business not the sentimental one and some Argyle fans would happily watch Rome burn with the ashes around their feet then admit they're wrong and admit the manager should have gone sooner. As freathy mentioned this has been the case with carl fletcher and del bhey in recent years they stayed far too long when it was obvious they should have gone sooner and luggy mark 2 took 2 years to go! so the give them time shite is worrying to me when they dont draw a line if things still don't improve.

This is Lowes first real blip, Bury’s relegation was nailed on anyway and he couldn’t be blamed for that, sacking him is not the right move yet.

Prob win the next two games and life will be good again.

Graiser wrote:

Freathy wrote:

Graiser wrote:

Freathy wrote:

Grovehill wrote:

Graiser wrote:

Grovehill wrote:

Paul Cook Phil Parkinson Gary Johnson Matt Taylor (But why would he move)Graham Coughlan (not my choice but he is available) Gary Monk (once "a possible future England Manager") Alan Pardew Phil Brown Darren Moore, Mick McCarthy Paul  Hurst Ian Holloway and so on and so on

Paul Cook unlikely, Phil Parkinson piss artist, Gary Johnson is at his level, Matt Taylor don’t be ridiculous, Graham Coughlan we dodged a bullet not giving him the job over Lowe, Gary Monk maybe but L1 level ?, Alan Pardew you must be joking, Phil Brown busted flush, Darren Moore happy where he is, Mick McCarthy not his level, Paul Hurst managing at championship level, Ian Holloway is finished.
Do you really think we could afford to sack Lowe and all his entourage and the pay compensation for a manager already employed?
Too much knee jerk going on here, he’s a young manager give him his chance to sort it

That's just a few names ff the top of my head to demonstrate their are options.

As for giving Lowe a chance to sort it out, that might well be at the cost of relegation

And do you really think it's a better option to save money by not sacking a manager that's not up to the job? How much would another relegation cost?

As an aside, I think Lowe is lucky that crowds are limited atm, otherwise it would be all to easy to see people voting with their feet, cos you'd not get 10,000 watching this crock of shyte.

We get the old "give them time to sort it out"  stuff every time we get a duff manager.  We had it with Clueless Carl.  Sack him now or it will be too late to save us from a very prompt return to the basement.

And whose your replacement going to be ?

I dunno but as far as I'm concerned Hallett has a duty to the supporters to get rid of a failing manager and replace him with a manager who is not completely out of his depth at this level.

What do you mean you don’t know, so you’d sack a manager with no plan B to replace him! Typical .

No Hallett will sack the manager and I expect Hallett and the Board to identify a suitable replacement who can at least stop us getting mullered every match.

PatDunne wrote:

Prob win the next two games and life will be good again.

Lose them and he really will be history

Nostradamus speaks and so it will come to pass.

Freathy wrote:

Graiser wrote:

Freathy wrote:

Graiser wrote:

Freathy wrote:

Grovehill wrote:

Graiser wrote:

Grovehill wrote:

Paul Cook Phil Parkinson Gary Johnson Matt Taylor (But why would he move)Graham Coughlan (not my choice but he is available) Gary Monk (once "a possible future England Manager") Alan Pardew Phil Brown Darren Moore, Mick McCarthy Paul  Hurst Ian Holloway and so on and so on

Paul Cook unlikely, Phil Parkinson piss artist, Gary Johnson is at his level, Matt Taylor don’t be ridiculous, Graham Coughlan we dodged a bullet not giving him the job over Lowe, Gary Monk maybe but L1 level ?, Alan Pardew you must be joking, Phil Brown busted flush, Darren Moore happy where he is, Mick McCarthy not his level, Paul Hurst managing at championship level, Ian Holloway is finished.
Do you really think we could afford to sack Lowe and all his entourage and the pay compensation for a manager already employed?
Too much knee jerk going on here, he’s a young manager give him his chance to sort it

That's just a few names ff the top of my head to demonstrate their are options.

As for giving Lowe a chance to sort it out, that might well be at the cost of relegation

And do you really think it's a better option to save money by not sacking a manager that's not up to the job? How much would another relegation cost?

As an aside, I think Lowe is lucky that crowds are limited atm, otherwise it would be all to easy to see people voting with their feet, cos you'd not get 10,000 watching this crock of shyte.

We get the old "give them time to sort it out"  stuff every time we get a duff manager.  We had it with Clueless Carl.  Sack him now or it will be too late to save us from a very prompt return to the basement.

And whose your replacement going to be ?

I dunno but as far as I'm concerned Hallett has a duty to the supporters to get rid of a failing manager and replace him with a manager who is not completely out of his depth at this level.

What do you mean you don’t know, so you’d sack a manager with no plan B to replace him! Typical .

No Hallett will sack the manager and I expect Hallett and the Board to identify a suitable replacement who can at least stop us getting mullered every match.

And as soon as the new fella loses his first match, you’ll label him “the shitest manager in the history of the world”, and demand he be sacked.

In the real world this is a massive headache.

It will cost a lot of money to pay off Lowe after sacking him, so I simply can’t see that happening. On the other hand Lowe has clearly demonstrated how clueless he is, defensively. This has been masked by us (up until a month ago) being rather good going forward. I refuse to listen to Lowes comments win or lose, because his whiny Scouse voice annoys me as soon as he opens his mouth, so I haven’t a clue what excuses he’s trotting out.

This clearly can’t continue though.