Mankover Planning application submitted

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Earwegoagain wrote:

PatDunne wrote:

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still there

Who the fook wrote that piece Brent himself?

While it is only right for such a significant band of supporters to have a view, you do have to question if the AFT have gone about things in the correct way. I mean, this statement has been released without any polling of its members.

In the statement, the FAT say: "The clear majority of members submitting opinions have expressed concerns about the proposed redevelopment.” But how do they know for sure?

They follow that up with: “While we would have preferred to have been able fully to ballot our membership before making our submission to PCC (Plymouth City Council), the short notice given for comment made it extremely difficult to do so but we did inform members how they could express their opinions to us.”

I’m sorry, but that doesn’t sit well with me and smacks of a lack of organisation and planning. The proposals have been in the public domain for quite some time now and talk of redeveloping the stand and additional redevelopment of Home Park has been mooted for years.

The only problem with the above piece is that although he's right in saying the plans have been around for years only a hand picked band of yes men we're allowed anywhere near the new plans for months, then we were drip fed only part of said plans and when the fans found out what was actually being proposed was when the planning went in leaving very little time to organise anything. A very deliberate and misleading tactic employed by Brent.

Yep. It is. I think the AFT are correct with their message that elements of the proposal should be considered within the context of the ACV, which PCC granted ages ago.

Janner Spanner wrote:

"Let me ask you a hypothetical question Electronic, if you knew a person was asking such a question from 100's of miles away (say London) would you ask 'What's it really got to do with you'?"

Its quite painful looking at Brent in that 5 minute landing page video.

harvetheslayer wrote:

Its quite painful looking at Brent in that 5 minute landing page video.

It's not the looking at him that's the worse. It's listening to him. He whistles when he talks - useful if you want the dog to come back, bloody annoying otherwise...

His voice is very monotonous too, almost sent me to sleep.

and that rising inflection habit.....

And the fact he went to Eton...

Citibank.....

didn't put that 'socialist' Webb off any.....

What dimwits like Newell can't get their heads around is that its not the Eton schooling or his banking past, its the fact that him and his arrogant ilk believe that hard won public assets like parks are nothing more than opportunities to line their pockets.

People like Newell are even worse by helping them, hoping for the most pitiful of crumbs from the top table.

Agreed

Hugh Watt wrote:

What dimwits like Newell can't get their heads around is that its not the Eton schooling or his banking past, its the fact that him and his arrogant ilk believe that hard won public assets like parks are nothing more than opportunities to line their pockets.

People like Newell are even worse by helping them, hoping for the most pitiful of crumbs from the top table.  

That is EXACTLY the problem, Hugh. It's going on all over the country. Things are beginning to change, people are angry as Brexit and other things have shown, but there will be a lot of assets lost before the rot is stopped and reversed. It will just take time.
As for Newell, there have always been saddos like him desperate for a better plate, he's irrelevant, and probably counter productive in this particular scenario. I suspect some of Brent's poor rating with so many of us fans is down to the dislike of people like Newell at the club.

beesrus wrote:

Hugh Watt wrote:

What dimwits like Newell can't get their heads around is that its not the Eton schooling or his banking past, its the fact that him and his arrogant ilk believe that hard won public assets like parks are nothing more than opportunities to line their pockets.

People like Newell are even worse by helping them, hoping for the most pitiful of crumbs from the top table.  

That is EXACTLY the problem, Hugh. It's going on all over the country. Things are beginning to change, people are angry as Brexit and other things have shown, but there will be a lot of assets lost before the rot is stopped and reversed. It will just take time.
As for Newell, there have always been saddos like him desperate for a better plate, he's irrelevant, and probably counter productive in this particular scenario. I suspect some of Brent's poor rating with so many of us fans is down to the dislike of people like Newell at the club.

Spot on, the arrogance of the man is even more eveident with his continuation of the Preident role at the club for Webb. If there is one single point that the fan base is not divided on its that Webb is a disgrace to the club, even the greenest of green tints think he's a twat.

beesrus wrote:

Hugh Watt wrote:

What dimwits like Newell can't get their heads around is that its not the Eton schooling or his banking past, its the fact that him and his arrogant ilk believe that hard won public assets like parks are nothing more than opportunities to line their pockets.

People like Newell are even worse by helping them, hoping for the most pitiful of crumbs from the top table.  

That is EXACTLY the problem, Hugh. It's going on all over the country. Things are beginning to change, people are angry as Brexit and other things have shown, but there will be a lot of assets lost before the rot is stopped and reversed. It will just take time.
As for Newell, there have always been saddos like him desperate for a better plate, he's irrelevant, and probably counter productive in this particular scenario. I suspect some of Brent's poor rating with so many of us fans is down to the dislike of people like Newell at the club.

Every football club at every level has its percentage of nobodies wanting to be somebodies.
Newell and Webb are particularly good examples.

Am I the only wondering whats being said on Pasoti in that planning for the Refurb is expected to be fully granted BUT only outline planning permissions for the carbuncle.....??

Rickler wrote:

harvetheslayer wrote:

Its quite painful looking at Brent in that 5 minute landing page video.

It's not the looking at him that's the worse.  It's listening to him.  He whistles when he talks - useful if you want the dog to come back, bloody annoying otherwise...

Some Mineral Magic would work wonders

harvetheslayer wrote:

Am I the only wondering whats being said on Pasoti in that planning for the Refurb is expected to be fully granted BUT only outline planning permissions for the carbuncle.....??

As far as I am aware it's an outline planning application for the western gateway (hotel, café, vets) and a full planning application for the stand, gym, offices, restaurants?

The planning application 17/01684/OUT is for

(Part 1) Full Planning Permission for the refurbishment and extension to Home Park Stadium Grandstand (including ancillary area within the ground) (Class D2) and Erection of New Ice Arena (Class D2) with associated car parking, landscaping, public realm and highways access.

That means the Grandstand (and ancillary areas such as club shop, ticket office, toilets and supporters' bar) and Ice Rink are part of the full (detailed) application

(Part 2) Outline Planning Permission for mixed use development including Food and Beverage Units (Class A3/A4/A5), Offices (Class B1), Gymnasium (Class D2), Hotel (Class C1) and Veterinary Surgery (Class D1)

That means Western Gateway (the vets site) and the non-ice rink element of Higher Home Park (food and drink, gym and offices) are submitted in outline only

with all matters reserved except highways access and parking

That means access and car parking are detailed matters to be determined now not as part of an outline proposal.

That is why it is termed a hybrid planning application - part outline and part detailed.

The hybrid nature of the planning application is not a type of application enshrined in statute and as a result this form of application can only be accepted, validated and registered at a Local Planning Authority’s discretion. As a result only the Secretary of State and Planning Inspectors have the legal power to issue a split decision as there is no statutory power for the Local Authority to do so (s79 of the Town and Country Planning Act 1990).

Government planning guidance on the use of planning conditions issued by the Department for Communities and Local Government as part of “Planning Practice Guidance and Planning System” issued on 6th March 2014 states that

“In cases where the local planning authority considers part of the development to be unacceptable, it will normally be best to seek amended details from the applicant prior to a decision being made. In exceptional circumstances it may be appropriate to use a condition to grant permission for only part of the development. Such conditions should only be used where the acceptable and unacceptable parts of the proposal are clearly distinguishable and with the agreement of the applicant.”

Last post on the subject - in an effort to assist!

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In exceptional circumstances it may be appropriate to use a condition to grant permission for only part of the development. Such conditions should only be used where the acceptable and unacceptable parts of the proposal are clearly distinguishable and with the agreement of the applicant.

I can't see that happening somehow.
Brent has clearly left the council little room for manoeuvre.

Thank you GC.

Cheers GC, so as Beezer highlights the council could approve the mankover only, but JB could veto that decision.

Geddon Clarko.

beesrus wrote:

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In exceptional circumstances it may be appropriate to use a condition to grant permission for only part of the development. Such conditions should only be used where the acceptable and unacceptable parts of the proposal are clearly distinguishable and with the agreement of the applicant.

I can't see that happening somehow.
Brent has clearly left the council little room for manoeuvre.

This, for me, is the crux of the issue.

PCC should call Brent's bluff and allow the grandstand element to go ahead...or if the grandstand and ice arena come as one issue, give approval for that. If he refuses to move forward on that basis, it is as clear as day to everyone what his motivations are. The grandstand update is fully funded, so what possible explanation could he put forward for not proceeding, simply because the rest of his scheme has been delayed or thrown out.

Watching and waiting.

Innocent Egbunike wrote:

beesrus wrote:

Quote :

In exceptional circumstances it may be appropriate to use a condition to grant permission for only part of the development. Such conditions should only be used where the acceptable and unacceptable parts of the proposal are clearly distinguishable and with the agreement of the applicant.

I can't see that happening somehow.
Brent has clearly left the council little room for manoeuvre.

This, for me, is the crux of the issue.

PCC should call Brent's bluff and allow the grandstand element to go ahead...or if the grandstand and ice arena come as one issue, give approval for that. If he refuses to move forward on that basis, it is as clear as day to everyone what his motivations are. The grandstand update is fully funded, so what possible explanation could he put forward for not proceeding, simply because the rest of his scheme has been delayed or thrown out.

Watching and waiting.

Off the top of my head?

• Dave can't make it
  
  
• Budget used up in costs at planning and admin stage
  
  
• Costs rise because of hurricane Maria
  
  
• All available building labourers and tradesmen working at Sherford
  
  
• The moon shifting from Leo to Scorpio in the night sky
  
  
• Charlie's little transistor radio that always seems to be slightly out of tune needs new batteries and nobody can find one and nobody can be expected to plaster in those conditions
  
  
• Asbestos
  
  
• Waiting for the season to end
  
  
• Waiting for the cricket season to end
  
  
• Unable to source enough unicorn teeth to add that little something to the directors' box
  
  
• Waiting for the result of the 2.45 at Haydock Park before finally finalising the budget
  
  
• Other development somewhere else affecting supply chain
  
  
• Brick shortage
  
  
• Homes Under The Hammer is on
  
  
• Access to Home Park obstructed by grateful hordes genuflecting and throwing rose petals before James Brent's every footstep so that those wondrous, besainted feet should never encounter anything so crude as mere concrete
  
  
• Traffic
  
  
• Rocketing global steel costs
  
  
• Uncertainty due to Brexit
  
  
• Can't get that pic of Jumbo Jack off the wall
  
  
• An unfavourable exchange rate
  
  
• The weather
  
  
• Boardroom split on precisely which shade of white they should use to paint the walls and James Brent being unavailable to make an executive decision due to setting new standards of popularity on I'm A Celebrity Get Me Out Of Here