The eastern european uprising ?

hairy j wrote:

Guess what? 70bn dollars of Ukranian wealth has somehow gone missing over the past three years
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What Putin/Yanukovych have done is:
Assist in destroying the economy.
Create social tension via this.
Violently oppose protest.
Bring in Russian troops to "avoid a civil war - omg!"
Restrict Ukraine's police/armed forces from restoring order.
Allow disorder to grow - no police/no rules/crime.

Next step is for Russia to step in and save the day - even though they started it - reward = annexation.

"What Putin/Yanukovych have done is:"

You could just as easily slip any of a dozen or three other names in there, including Bammy, Ashton the Whore, Barroso, et al. The crew that have moved in and taken over have as many questions to answer as Yankey and Putey, some of them have billions in the bank and no obvious reason why or how they accumulated such wealth, Yankey's wasn't the only pimped drum in the suburbs.

The issue is not one side good and the other bad, it is more of two sides competing to be the baddest with as usual the vast majority of the people stuck in the middle just waiting for it to kick off. The only good result is for the Russkis to take what they want and for the rest to just get on with it, a firefight on any level is a bad deal for Joe Ukranian, just ask any Syrian freezing away in a camp in the Turkish mountains, freedom is way overrated and usually espoused by over educated politicos who wont be picking up a rifle at any juncture.

Wooohoooooo!

Mutti has thrown Putey out of the G8, that'll show 'em.

Lord Tisdale wrote:

hairy j wrote:

Guess what? 70bn dollars of Ukranian wealth has somehow gone missing over the past three years
I can't post links - punchdruuuuuuuuuunk!!!!!!!!!! (my post count isn't high enough)

What Putin/Yanukovych have done is:
Assist in destroying the economy.
Create social tension via this.
Violently oppose protest.
Bring in Russian troops to "avoid a civil war - omg!"
Restrict Ukraine's police/armed forces from restoring order.
Allow disorder to grow - no police/no rules/crime.

Next step is for Russia to step in and save the day - even though they started it - reward = annexation.

"What Putin/Yanukovych have done is:"

You could just as easily slip any of a dozen or three other names in there, including Bammy, Ashton the Whore, Barroso, et al. The crew that have moved in and taken over have as many questions to answer as Yankey and Putey, some of them have billions in the bank and no obvious reason why or how they accumulated such wealth, Yankey's wasn't the only pimped drum in the suburbs.

The issue is not one side good and the other bad, it is more of two sides competing to be the baddest with as usual the vast majority of the people stuck in the middle just waiting for it to kick off. The only good result is for the Russkis to take what they want and for the rest to just get on with it, a firefight on any level is a bad deal for Joe Ukranian, just ask any Syrian freezing away in a camp in the Turkish mountains, freedom is way overrated and usually espoused by over educated politicos who wont be picking up a rifle at any juncture.

feck me tis, sincere empathy for non english people, whatever next

Mapperley, darling wrote:

feck me tis, sincere empathy for non english people, whatever next

I wouldn't go that far Mappers. If only  

Deep down dear old Tiddles is an authoritarian with a small c conservative outlook. Putin fits the bill perfectly, if he were bedecked in red white and blue, the man would be a god. Hence he reckons Putin should be handed the whole of Ukraine on a plate without a squabble. What price now the Thatcher wailing of standing up for the international rule of law ? I thought her "sacrifice" was supposed to stop all this sort of thing. A task force to end all task forces.  
What Tiddles fails to understand is most of the Ukraine really don't want another USSR, only 20%, hence they kicked out the Moscow puppet. Where the next 20 years in Europe goes is anyone's guess, but it sure as hell won't be decided by corporate suits, as Tiddles seems to think. In the meantime, the people have decided one country is now two. That was a given once the Polish Western leaning folk stood up for themselves against the uniformed guns of the Moscow backed state.

Sooner or later the conservative and neo liberal energies are going to have a nasty spat all over all of us. It's always been thus, sort of like flocks of birds migrating depending on the climate. Fascinating weather and rather concerning if one is young and stepping out in life.

Winter Green wrote:

What Tiddles fails to understand is most of the Ukraine really don't want another USSR, only 20%, hence they kicked out the Moscow puppet. Where the next 20 years in Europe goes is anyone's guess, but it sure as hell won't be decided by corporate suits,

Standard clueless tw@tery Greeny maintaining your 100% record.

USSR, USASSR, EUSSR, same game, different colour suit.

And Nige Farage is going to change all that ? ! Enjoy your protest vote. Don't forget to pull your curtains and check your anti virus

Fit bird running the crimea now.

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Sounds familiar!

And theeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeey're off.

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Could be an interesting week. Moldova getting nervy, not suprised with a pro russian self autonamous region in its own borders.

Winter Green wrote:

And Nige Farage is going to change all that ? ! Enjoy your protest vote. Don't forget to pull your curtains and check your anti virus

I love it when the clueless old lefty tw@tery give it the smuggage, just shows how little they actually know and let's not forget that these are the collective moronity who gave us Balir the baby killer.

Nigey's boney fides are front line on this, as I must add are Red Ed's, now fecking Camoron wants to ship our boys and girls off to a rack of Skanda shiite holes with serious lumps of Russkis in their populations. If the Russians want all them Baltic dog holes then they will take them, it ain't our job to pad the pension funds of all the ass wipes who invest in Lockheed and Halliburton with the blood of our finest young people.

Anybody, and I do mean anybody up to and including Hairy J, would be my preference over Camoron or EUSSR loving Clegg.

At least a "protest vote" is a protest, better than the brain dead settling for the status quo.

so, after your protest will you be settling for more of the same of will you be effin orf?

According to a report on Radio5live early this morning, NATO are moving assets to certain areas in response to the Russian build up on her borders with Ukraine.

The host of the late night show said that that news was something to keep an eye on !!..


You also have this from Monday, which probably ties in with the Radio5live report.

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Meanwhile, Obama really has put the cat among the pigeons when he described Russia as a ''regional power'' and that Russia was showing signs of weakness - really, and there was i believing that the weakness slur was the other way around.

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It all brings back memories of the glorious 70s, happy days.

Everybody that you talk to has had enough of us buddying up to uncle Sam so the suits can fill their pockets via arms and trade deals. Democracy my feckin arse! Looks like the start of another unpopular war.

Mapperley, darling wrote:

so, after your protest will you be settling for more of the same of will you be effin orf?

As a life long holder of minority opinions I have long since learned to live with the majority decision without angst, there are plenty of ways to keep yourself sane within the framework of society as it is, self assessment and self certified mortgages were absolute godsends.

Good to see hooded Nazi thugs carrying weapons and blockading the Ukrainian Parliament, I'm shore Bammy and Ashton will be offering their support for such democratic activities.

War is coming to Europe within the next ten years. It's inevitable. Authoritarian conservatism wants a pop at the neo liberals. Which way will Germany and it's rump swing ? That's where the war will be won before it starts.  
Mind you, Tiddles thinks it's all a charade, the "suits" will save us all from strife. Human politics are akin to continental plate drift. They haven't stitched the suit yet that can stop those forces.

Winter Green wrote:

War is coming to Europe within the next ten years. It's inevitable. Authoritarian conservatism wants a pop at the neo liberals. Which way will Germany and it's rump swing ? That's where the war will be won before it starts.  
Mind you, Tiddles thinks it's all a charade, the "suits" will save us all from strife. Human politics are akin to continental plate drift. They haven't stitched the suit yet that can stop those forces.

I would recommend everybody avoid whatever it was that Greeny has been smoking.

Lord Tisdale wrote:

Good to see hooded Nazi thugs carrying weapons and blockading the Ukrainian Parliament, I'm shore Bammy and Ashton will be offering their support for such democratic activities.

when are you going then tizzz?

Looks like Kiev has fallen for the Russian trap.

Fully expect Russia to enter eastern Ukraine within the next few days to 'protect' the their well armed thugs who are occupying police stations and public buildings.

Inevitable wasn't it? The Ukranians standing up and fighting back against pro Russian thugs is the exact excuse Putin was waiting for to roll his forces into the Ukraine. Nicely engineered Putin, you cock. Didn't see that coming!  

As gob alludes to earlier, better dust of those old 60's/70's nuclear attack sirens!   

Opportunism from Putin taking advantage of a weak US President, and a slow bureaucratic and reactionary EU.

Putin will grab as much territory as he can. Farage is right, he is a smooth operator..

Weakness and bureaucracy has nothing to do with it. Surely you would not expect military action against Russia. As to sanctions Putin has only to turn off the gas tap and the west is well and truly fecked. That part of the world has traditionally been Russian for most of the last 500 years, let em get on with it.

I agree let them get on with it, it's the Russian sphere of influence.

My point is that Putin has played it well, and has perhaps been more bold, knowing there is a weak US President, and an EU that is beyond a joke.