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PostSubject: Cecil   Cecil EmptyTue Aug 04, 2015 7:05 pm

What on earth, in this day and age, motivates a well heeled educated American dentist to pay out big bucks to pop over to Africa to take out an endangered magnificent animal ? Can anyone on here enlighten me ?

Is it sex, power, just a blood lust ? It's obviously not money. What is it ?
If it's a blood thing, why not join the Marines/army or something. No one can say there's no opportunity these days to satisfy a blood lust if that's your bag, and it's "legal" too. And there's billions of us, we're two a penny.
"I fowt it was legal" he explained.. Jeeeeez.
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PostSubject: Re: Cecil   Cecil EmptyTue Aug 04, 2015 7:24 pm

It's disgusting but no more so than fox hunting, whaling, shark finning, seal clubbing, etc etc etc, all forms of animal cruelty and needless slaughter sicken me, very often the human race sickens me.
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PostSubject: Re: Cecil   Cecil EmptyTue Aug 04, 2015 7:28 pm

Well educated americans lol i like the irony of that statement
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PostSubject: Re: Cecil   Cecil EmptyTue Aug 04, 2015 7:45 pm

Les Miserable wrote:
It's disgusting but no more so than fox hunting, whaling, shark finning, seal clubbing, etc etc etc, all forms of animal cruelty and needless slaughter sicken me, very often the human race sickens me.

Absolutely!


But the slaughter of this noble and beautiful lion by that dickless yank particularly shocked me as I was naive enough to think this sort of vile killing for 'sport' had long been consigned to history.
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PostSubject: Re: Cecil   Cecil EmptyTue Aug 04, 2015 8:12 pm

No idea what possesses someone to carry out an act like this. Makes me feel sad when I see a Badger, Fox, Pheasant etc lying dead in the road, a sight which has become much more prevalent in recent years, let alone a superb specimen like the Lion. Some of the most guilt-by- association inducing photo's ever are those of the alleged great and good of British Empire days gloating with a pile of dead Tigers, Leopards, Cheetahs etc in front of them-FFS. Some humans are indeed a disgusting representation of the species at times.
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PostSubject: Re: Cecil   Cecil EmptyFri Aug 07, 2015 7:16 am

Also the slaughter of Buffalo years back in the so called wild west.....millions of them.....which where the food and hide source of the native Indians......taken from them with their homelands......and ending up in reservations......those that were'nt slaughtered as well of course.....all done in the name of civilization.

We all liked playing cowboys & indians when we where kids......and the indians where of course always the bad guys.
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PostSubject: Re: Cecil   Cecil EmptyFri Aug 07, 2015 9:41 am

Yanks get fed up shooting each other with their stupid Gun Culture so they'll have a pop at something that can't shoot back instead
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PostSubject: Re: Cecil   Cecil EmptyFri Aug 07, 2015 1:08 pm

Thousands of innocent people, including women and children, getting killed for years on end and you weal ass wankers are all up yourselves about a fecking lion.
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PostSubject: Re: Cecil   Cecil EmptyFri Aug 07, 2015 4:12 pm

Dinosaur and chips please, in yesterday's newspaper.
Booked your hunting trip your Lordship ? Gotta be a few left to bag. Geddon.
No wonder Nige bombed on his big day. It couldn't have been set up prettier for him, and he blasted it high wide and ugly.

Anyway, I was hoping someone like you would be able to tell me just what made this dentist tick. Why did he do it, what was the hit ? I reckon you know.
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PostSubject: Re: Cecil   Cecil EmptySun Aug 09, 2015 3:37 pm

Why wasn't there the same uproar when Obama swotted and killed that fly on his trousers during an interview few years back?
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PostSubject: Re: Cecil   Cecil EmptyMon Aug 10, 2015 2:09 pm

John Hawkins wrote:
Dinosaur and chips please, in yesterday's newspaper.
Booked your hunting trip your Lordship ? Gotta be a few left to bag. Geddon.
No wonder Nige bombed on his big day. It couldn't have been set up prettier for him, and he blasted it high wide and ugly.

Anyway, I was hoping someone like you would be able to tell me just what made this dentist tick. Why did he do it, what was the hit ? I reckon you know.


Not sure if this question is aimed at me, actually I am but if you weren't such a fack'tard you could have made it more obvious.

I have no idea why someone would want to go out and shoot an animal, same reason I guess that knobbers spend millions on trinkets while others starve, because they can and it annoys forkwits like you.

I sat outside in the sun Saturday after a golf day, one of the fellahs I was sat with was getting right out of his box about people being allowed on the course in untailored shorts, there are important issues in golf, slow play, knob jockeys who don't get you to play through, not replacing divots, raking bunkers or repairing pitch marks, even the crime of crimes, standing on the fracking green filling in score cards when someone is waiting to play. Shooting some lion in Africa, home of the raped, mutilated, tortured and murdered woman and child, is the untailored shorts issue, yes of course it is wrong, but who in their right mind actually gives a fork compared to the greater evils?
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PostSubject: Re: Cecil   Cecil EmptyMon Aug 10, 2015 2:39 pm

If you applied that logic to any subject though we wouldn't talk about feck all apart from murder of people. The sad thing is with the overpopulation of our planet all the big game animals are running out of room, when the population was smaller in Africa most people lived off game sadly it's not an efficient method of feeding a whole continent so we need farming, lions don't mix that well with cattle so they end up in the game reserves. As much as everybody likes to watch the herds having their throats torn out by the king of beasts we aren't very keen on paying for it. The hunters do pay and pay big for the opportunity to kill something like a lion. (It would appear this muppet shot the lion illegally but the game licences pay for the rangers that protect the animals on the reserve from illegal hunting and poaching). As for the motivation of the hunter involved I should imagine that examination of his penis would need at least a highly powered magnifying glass, I really don't know. I have the hunting instinct, I enjoy shooting and fishing for the pot, there is something primeval about it but why anybody feels the need to shoot for trophys is beyond me. With a proffesional hunter on your elbow to finish the big five for you even the majority of the danger is not there, I suppose it must be like collecting cars.
I think the main motivation for the condemnation here is the class war issue (which as you know I'm generally all for) however compared to the market in chinese medicines this issue is pretty small potatoes.
To understand the mentality of the hunters you could try reading someone like Arthur Selous a big game hunter from the 1800's or any of the lion and elephant hunters from the same period, fascinating reading although not easy to read these days with a completely different spin on conservation than there was then. Arthur Selous collected most of the animals in the British Natural History museum that we all still enjoy gawping at today.
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PostSubject: Re: Cecil   Cecil EmptyMon Aug 10, 2015 2:58 pm

Iggy wrote:
If you applied that logic to any subject though we wouldn't talk about feck all apart from murder of people. The sad thing is with the overpopulation of our planet all the big game animals are running out of room, when the population was smaller in Africa most people lived off game sadly it's not an efficient method of feeding a whole continent so we need farming, lions don't mix that well with cattle so they end up in the game reserves. As much as everybody likes to watch the herds having their throats torn out by the king of beasts we aren't very keen on paying for it. The hunters do pay and pay big for the opportunity to kill something like a lion. (It would appear this muppet shot the lion illegally but the game licences pay for the rangers that protect the animals on the reserve from illegal hunting and poaching). As for the motivation of the hunter involved I should imagine that examination of his penis would need at least a highly powered magnifying glass, I really don't know. I have the hunting instinct, I enjoy shooting and fishing for the pot, there is something primeval about it but why anybody feels the need to shoot for trophys is beyond me. With a proffesional hunter on your elbow to finish the big five for you even the majority of the danger is not there, I suppose it must be like collecting cars.
I think the main motivation for the condemnation here is the class war issue (which as you know I'm generally all for) however compared to the market in chinese medicines this issue is pretty small potatoes.
To understand the mentality of the hunters you could try reading someone like Arthur Selous a big game hunter from the 1800's or any of the lion and elephant hunters from the same period, fascinating reading although not easy to read these days with a completely different spin on conservation than there was then. Arthur Selous collected most of the animals in the British Natural History museum that we all still enjoy gawping at today.


You make some good points but I can also see where Tis is coming from on the 'bigger picture issue', thousands of totally innocent people are slaughtered every day without so much as a thread on the half-time board......fcukin World innit.
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PostSubject: Re: Cecil   Cecil EmptyMon Aug 10, 2015 4:13 pm

Lord Tisdale wrote:
John Hawkins wrote:
Dinosaur and chips please, in yesterday's newspaper.
Booked your hunting trip your Lordship ? Gotta be a few left to bag. Geddon.
No wonder Nige bombed on his big day. It couldn't have been set up prettier for him, and he blasted it high wide and ugly.

Anyway, I was hoping someone like you would be able to tell me just what made this dentist tick. Why did he do it, what was the hit ? I reckon you know.


Not sure if this question is aimed at me, actually I am but if you weren't such a fack'tard you could have made it more obvious.

I have no idea why someone would want to go out and shoot an animal, same reason I guess that knobbers spend millions on trinkets while others starve, because they can and it annoys forkwits like you.

I sat outside in the sun Saturday after a golf day, one of the fellahs I was sat with was getting right out of his box about people being allowed on the course in untailored shorts, there are important issues in golf, slow play, knob jockeys who don't get you to play through, not replacing divots, raking bunkers or repairing pitch marks, even the crime of crimes, standing on the fracking green filling in score cards when someone is waiting to play. Shooting some lion in Africa, home of the raped, mutilated, tortured and murdered woman and child, is the untailored shorts issue, yes of course it is wrong, but who in their right mind actually gives a fork compared to the greater evils?

To me how ever wrong murdering wild animals for selfies is it does seem to be flavour of the month born from social media like kony was, like the nigerian school girls was to name but 2 of them. All valid reasons to highlight but i get the impression most are jumping on bandwagons than actually caring about the issue themselves.
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PostSubject: Re: Cecil   Cecil EmptyMon Aug 10, 2015 6:11 pm

Les Miserable wrote:
Iggy wrote:
If you applied that logic to any subject though we wouldn't talk about feck all apart from murder of people. The sad thing is with the overpopulation of our planet all the big game animals are running out of room, when the population was smaller in Africa most people lived off game sadly it's not an efficient method of feeding a whole continent so we need farming, lions don't mix that well with cattle so they end up in the game reserves. As much as everybody likes to watch the herds having their throats torn out by the king of beasts we aren't very keen on paying for it. The hunters do pay and pay big for the opportunity to kill something like a lion. (It would appear this muppet shot the lion illegally but the game licences pay for the rangers that protect the animals on the reserve from illegal hunting and poaching). As for the motivation of the hunter involved I should imagine that examination of his penis would need at least a highly powered magnifying glass, I really don't know. I have the hunting instinct, I enjoy shooting and fishing for the pot, there is something primeval about it but why anybody feels the need to shoot for trophys is beyond me. With a proffesional hunter on your elbow to finish the big five for you even the majority of the danger is not there, I suppose it must be like collecting cars.
I think the main motivation for the condemnation here is the class war issue (which as you know I'm generally all for) however compared to the market in chinese medicines this issue is pretty small potatoes.
To understand the mentality of the hunters you could try reading someone like Arthur Selous a big game hunter from the 1800's or any of the lion and elephant hunters from the same period, fascinating reading although not easy to read these days with a completely different spin on conservation than there was then. Arthur Selous collected most of the animals in the British Natural History museum that we all still enjoy gawping at today.


You make some good points but I can also see where Tis is coming from on the 'bigger picture issue', thousands of totally innocent people are slaughtered every day without so much as a thread on the half-time board......fcukin World innit.

Yep me too I was more trying to answer JH's question about why people did it, not that I know why tbh.
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PostSubject: Re: Cecil   Cecil EmptyMon Aug 10, 2015 11:12 pm

It's probably a primeval kick.... a bit like eating refined sugar. lol. I am friendly with people who grow and run pheasant shoots on their land, but they wouldn't dream of this sort of action.

I bet this guy loses nearly all of his clients. Just how out of touch can you be ? Guess he'll have to move his practice to where they appreciate that sort of behaviour.
The same old turgid comments here and there that there are more important things to worry about is as preposterous as it always is. Most of us humans comment and talk about things that interest us, not what is politically deemed correct and appropriate. Some would want us to talk  war and pestilence all life long. Keeps us tucked in under the wing of the leader. People who just have animal welfare concern at our heart really do seem to irritate a certain sort more than anything I know. Very sad. It's an excellent litmus test to sort wheat from chaff. As with the job interview, it's not the answer/question itself that is important, but the reaction. Great name for a lion.. Cecil.
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