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Richard Blight

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PostSubject: Ocean Cities?   Ocean Cities? EmptyThu Jan 16, 2014 11:56 pm

How many ocean cities has Britain got? Do you count cities in the English Channel, North Sea and Irish Seas?

How many of these would count?

Plymouth
Liverpool
Portsmouth
Swansea
Cardiff
Edinburgh
Aberdeen
Sunderland
Brighton
Bournemouth

I thought these were too far up rivers or estuaries to be truly counted as on the sea.

Southampton
Hull
Londonderry
Belfast

So does Plymouth have the right to claim it is Britain's ocean city over these others?
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PostSubject: Re: Ocean Cities?   Ocean Cities? EmptyFri Jan 17, 2014 12:11 am

I would have said that to be an ocean city you have to near an ocean like the Atlantic.
The nearest I would say is Londonderry. Is it a city? Then there is Portstewart or Portrush but they are towns.

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PostSubject: Re: Ocean Cities?   Ocean Cities? EmptyFri Jan 17, 2014 12:36 am

Londonderry or Derry is a city but it's at the inner end of Lough Foyle and the entrance is relatively narrow, which is why I didn't count it.

There was a very interesting programme on the part Londonderry played in the Battle of the Atlantic on the telly recently. It was quite surprising how big a naval base was there.
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PostSubject: Re: Ocean Cities?   Ocean Cities? EmptyFri Jan 17, 2014 12:47 am

Plymouth isnt anywhere near an ocean so its blatant false advertising that i will wager the council will be told at somepoint in time to change for that very reason. Also, its crap and village.

And Mouldy yes londonderry or derry depending on peoples religious views is a city
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PostSubject: Re: Ocean Cities?   Ocean Cities? EmptyFri Jan 17, 2014 7:09 am

I don't think it's against the Trade Description Act Angry. It's simply a marketing tool that very much ties in with this
http://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/NEW-DAWN-CITY/story-20456412-detail/story.html

There's plenty of other towns and cities in the UK who have a moniker. Nottingham, Queen of The Midlands.

There's no debating that Plymouth is very much defined by the sea and what's the point of stating that to people all over the World in humble terms? "Plymouth, it's near the water" doesn't sound that impressive. It might not be strictly true but then, in marketing terms, what is true? Does spraying Lynx on your armpits really make you a magnet for rampant ladies?
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PostSubject: Re: Ocean Cities?   Ocean Cities? EmptyFri Jan 17, 2014 7:46 am

David Mackay used the term Britain's Maritime City in 2003, when he was working on the Plymouth 2020 Vision.

Makes more sense and would have saved a fair bundle of marketing consultancy fees.
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PostSubject: Re: Ocean Cities?   Ocean Cities? EmptyFri Jan 17, 2014 8:51 am

With the history that Plymouth has there are a thousand slogans that Plymouth could have had but no, it now has an inaccurate and false description born from an idiot's mouth.
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PostSubject: Re: Ocean Cities?   Ocean Cities? EmptyFri Jan 17, 2014 9:27 am

GOB wrote:
With the history that Plymouth has there are a thousand slogans that Plymouth could have had but no, it now has an inaccurate and false description born from an idiot's mouth.

I quite agree and feel that Britain's Maritime City would have been far better. Most Janners that I know think the slogan is ridiculous- you only have to look at the graffiti on the "Britain's Ocean City" signs (Britain's Pothole City) to see that its not really an accepted slogan for the city. The only people who use the slogan are those associated with Argyle (Brent, Starnes, Nool) and Tudor "hopefully ousted in the next election" Evans.

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PostSubject: Re: Ocean Cities?   Ocean Cities? EmptyFri Jan 17, 2014 11:46 am

This has to be one to keep an eye on.

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It can't be long before Akkeron is bidding for a slice of the action.
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PostSubject: Re: Ocean Cities?   Ocean Cities? EmptyFri Jan 17, 2014 12:10 pm

Here it is again.

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PostSubject: Re: Ocean Cities?   Ocean Cities? EmptyFri Jan 17, 2014 1:47 pm

"Ocean City"?

Scabby, run down, old coastal town more like.

I'm shore the brighter among you can see this for what it is, the Tories trying to stave off the UKIP surge which will challenge the four local seats they hold and screw their chances of nicking Moor View.

They're in denial of course as Gary Streeter is the only one with a prayer and none of these uber fluffy promises will ever come to pass.
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PostSubject: Re: Ocean Cities?   Ocean Cities? EmptyFri Jan 17, 2014 2:48 pm

hairy j wrote:
I don't think it's against the Trade Description Act Angry. It's simply a marketing tool that very much ties in with this
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There's plenty of other towns and cities in the UK who have a moniker. Nottingham, Queen of The Midlands.

There's no debating that Plymouth is very much defined by the sea and what's the point of stating that to people all over the World in humble terms? "Plymouth, it's near the water" doesn't sound that impressive. It might not be strictly true but then, in marketing terms, what is true? Does spraying Lynx on your armpits really make you a magnet for rampant ladies?

Hairy if someone wanted to take it up they would have a case to take to trading standards as its is blatant false advertising. To be an Ocean city you have to be a city near the ocean and plymouth isnt. Also ext year when the jocks get their vote for independance (and please god let them have it) Britain will be no more so it will change for sure then  cheers 
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PostSubject: Re: Ocean Cities?   Ocean Cities? EmptyFri Jan 17, 2014 4:00 pm

Far be it from me to defend Peter Jones, but I'm pretty sure he's aware that Plymouth doesn't lie on an Ocean. So the branding 'Britains Ocean City' isn't intended in the literal sense. It's an attempt to link us to all things encompassing coastal and to a degree, maritime.

The name isn't intended to be taken literally. New York - The City that never sleeps. Cities don't 'sleep' do they? It's a slogan to tell you how vibrant and non-stop NY is.
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PostSubject: Re: Ocean Cities?   Ocean Cities? EmptyFri Jan 17, 2014 4:03 pm

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Far be it from me to defend Peter Jones, but I'm pretty sure he's aware that Plymouth doesn't lie on an Ocean. So the branding 'Britains Ocean City' isn't intended in the literal sense. It's an attempt to link us to all things encompassing coastal and to a degree, maritime.

The name isn't intended to be taken literally. New York - The City that never sleeps. Cities don't 'sleep' do they? It's a slogan to tell you how vibrant and non-stop NY is.

For a man who works in that souless profession of PR and marketing the term britains ocean city i am supprised he came up with. Britains port to the ocean now that is better  albino 
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PostSubject: Re: Ocean Cities?   Ocean Cities? EmptyFri Jan 17, 2014 4:19 pm

This stank of "jobs for the boys" when Jones was given the contract. Why him. Yet another example of people on the inside being looked after. Would like to know how much he was paid?
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PostSubject: Re: Ocean Cities?   Ocean Cities? EmptySat Jan 18, 2014 9:59 pm

As a rather infrequent visitor to the city of my birth these days I would have said, from a purely superficial point of view, that ten years ago such a title would have indeed been risible. Having visited a few months ago, now I'm not so sure. I was fairly impressed (with the waterfront developments at least).
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PostSubject: Re: Ocean Cities?   Ocean Cities? EmptySat Jan 18, 2014 10:05 pm

Postivity in this city must be stamped on. How dare you. How very dare you. Howvery!

I'm warming to the ocean city.
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PostSubject: Re: Ocean Cities?   Ocean Cities? EmptySun Jan 19, 2014 7:34 pm

As I wasn't sure myself I've done some checking and basically all the cities I named can be classed as cities on the Atlantic Ocean. This is because Great Britain and all it's many surrounding islands are islands within the Atlantic Ocean.

I was quite surprised to find that even the Mediterranean Sea is part of the Atlantic; along with the North, Celtic, Irish, Norwegian, Baltic, Black and Caribbean Seas. Other large bodies of water such as the Gulf of Mexico and Hudson Bay are also parts of the Atlantic.

Information courtesy of the Encyclopaedia Britannica. Learn something new everyday!
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PostSubject: Re: Ocean Cities?   Ocean Cities? EmptyWed Feb 05, 2014 7:12 am

Angry - you owe someone an apology.

Most of the ocean is running down my hill this morning - I don't want to walk to work, I/want to stay at home in the dry.
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PostSubject: Re: Ocean Cities?   Ocean Cities? EmptyWed Feb 05, 2014 7:22 am

hairy j wrote:
Angry - you owe someone an apology.

Most of the ocean is running down my hill this morning - I don't want to walk to work, I/want to stay at home in the dry.

I would say Truro is more of an ocean city than Plymouth- at least its nearer  Very Happy 
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PostSubject: Re: Ocean Cities?   Ocean Cities? EmptyWed Feb 05, 2014 10:08 am

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PostSubject: Re: Ocean Cities?   Ocean Cities? EmptyWed Feb 05, 2014 10:16 am

The sea has smashed thru the sea wall and railway line at Dawlish and a huge collapse is now threatening houses on the front there. Nuts.

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PostSubject: Re: Ocean Cities?   Ocean Cities? EmptyWed Feb 05, 2014 11:29 am

hairy j wrote:
Postivity in this city must be stamped on. How dare you. How very dare you. Howvery!

I'm warming to the ocean city.

Same old straw man argument. The problem with Ocean City is that it suggests to me that Plymouth is some sort of palm tree lined paradise. Whether or not it is factually correct is irrelavent. Plymouth is a working city, ocean city is just a rubbish slogan which doesn't come close t describing what Plymouth is about.
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PostSubject: Re: Ocean Cities?   Ocean Cities? EmptyWed Feb 05, 2014 12:03 pm

As far as I am concerned Plymouth IS a palm tree lined paradise.
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PostSubject: Re: Ocean Cities?   Ocean Cities? EmptyWed Feb 05, 2014 4:26 pm

I don't think of oceans as being lined with palm trees to be honest. The English Riviera.... wut?

The sea was pretty rough today in Europe's biggest natural harbour.
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