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Can you actually ban someone from a forum if they've not broken the rules on here? Do the ATD terms and conditions extend outside of this forum? Genuine question rather than a judgemental post.
For what it's worth Dane - you need to meet my neighbour. He's a Muslim and about the only person in my street I'd trust to give my front door key to if I went on holiday.

Its something we have debated on a couple of occasions and the current mod team all agreed that we would only ban someone if the racial comments/ rule breaking was made on ATD. Obviously not everyone is keen to share the forum with people who make racist/ xenophobic remarks elsewhere, and the last incident where someone who has posted racist remarks on social media was allowed to join saw users delete their account. But this poster is registered on here and pasoti so I would imagine they have a similar policy?
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I was raging at this atrocity to be fair, and i still am now...tell me Damon, do you support acts like this?

Do I support acts like the butchery of a young British soldier and Dad on the streets of London by a vicious psychopath spouting bullshite about doing it in the name of his religion? What kind of bullshite question is that? What kind of person do you think I am? If it was up to me I would take that bastard, chuck him inside Woolwich Barracks and let the boys inside there do what they wanted.

What I don't support is the racist crap coming out of the mouths of people who should know better that leads ordinary, hard working British Muslims fearing for the safety of their families.

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If we were in Jock's boozer Punchy I would say you were being out of order.
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If we were in Jock's boozer Punchy I would say you were being out of order.

Not really mate,after serving 2 tours in the Sandpit myself my blood is still boiling after this.
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Damon that is desperate
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Is it true or not?
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@Punchy. I'm not qualified to comment on what you've seen. I try to keep abreast of current affairs but know enough not to either judge or belittle what you've seen. All I would say would be that Damon seems to be quite clear in his condemnation of violence on both sides. Indeed I would disagree with his choice of punishment for these individuals. I think its too violent and plays to their cause.
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I said it. I shouldn't have. I was angry that a British soldier was beheaded on the streets of London in broad daylight.

Am I going to apoligise??? Who to ?

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So you're defending your idiocy then Dane. Brilliant.

I think the fact that people haven't actually condemned the two people that did this is that we don't need to - it goes without saying doesn't it? I'd imagine 100% of the people posting here would find their actions beyond condemnation.

I'd be careful Dane. This is social media - there are real laws to stop people posting racially abusive statements. Being banned from ATD might be the very least of your problems if you carry on. More importantly, you really need to be educated about diversity, humanity and the World.
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ah, the old Ron Atkinson excuse. I didn't believe Ron because if you weren't racist you wouldn't even utter those words in jest. The same rule applies. If you didn't deep down think those things why would you write 3 or more paragraphs in anger. Lots of people are angry, very few post views like yours for all your "friends" to see.
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As I said. I was angry



I reckon question time will be lively tonight
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Or the John Terry defence - I'm not racist, I just like saying racist things.

Being angry is no excuse - no matter how angry I am, I don't publicly attack an entire religious faith. Were you angry when a white man killed lots of Norwegian people not so long ago? Did you spout a tirade against white Norwegian right wing supremecists? Doubtful as he wasn't a brown person.
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I think it goes without saying that everybody's angry about the slaughter of a young man in broad daylight. Some of us just choose not to divert that anger into hatred for a huge proportion of humanity, that's all.

Two things, Dane. Perhaps you could let us all in on the secret of how you can tell somebody's religion simply by looking at them? And if you really want to apologise, you might want to consider doing so to the communities whose buildings were attacked last night because of the kind of shite you were spouting.
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Peggy. I didn't attack the buildings so you can take your rubbish and spout it elsewhere.

All I know is there is a 2 year old kid who lost his dad yesterday because he dared walk the streets.

I have Said I shouldn't have tarred all with the same brush. This topic makes me laugh. It was started to discuss the events of a terror attack in London.

This lad was butchered. I'm not apologising for getting angry
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People are murdered all the time - 552 last year in the UK. That's more than one every day. This murder was a particularly awful one but it's one of many.

Muslims are at risk of becoming the next persecuted community.

If the leaders of the BNP or EDL didn't have shit for brains their views would become more mainstream. Certain people, media & organisations are pushing their agenda-lite. Let's hope they don't succeed in making their odious views more acceptable.

Being 'angry' is really no excuse. I suspect that Michael Adebolajo and his mate were angry. That doesn't stop them from being wrong, oh so wrong!
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Dane, no-one has a problem with you being angry. People have a problem with you being angry at people who have done NOTHING wrong. People would rightfully be angry if you condemned all Christians as evil following the Brevic massacre and they're angry now for the exact same reason. Just because one person does a sickening thing in the name of a faith does not mean that it should be open season on that faith.

The Muslim Council of Britain and the Islamic society of Britain have both utterly condemned this atrocity and mate it quite clear this was not in their name. I'm glad you said you were wrong to tar all with the same brush but I still think you're too blaze about it, implying it was a normal consequence of 'getting angry'.
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i have a problem with him being angry
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Pokesdown wrote:
Quote :
Cobi Budge ‏@_cobibudge 19 Apr
Britain invented the modern world and all Western Nations, without our drive the world would still be reading by candle light.

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For over 60 years her Majesty Queen Elizabeth the second has ruled over us with courage and clarity, god save the queen.


so he is a tory now!

i have absolutley no time for this lil far right idiot
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Angry of Mayfair wrote:
Pokesdown wrote:
Quote :
Cobi Budge ‏@_cobibudge 19 Apr
Britain invented the modern world and all Western Nations, without our drive the world would still be reading by candle light.

Quote :
Cobi Budge ‏@_cobibudge 19 Apr
For over 60 years her Majesty Queen Elizabeth the second has ruled over us with courage and clarity, god save the queen.


so he is a tory now!

i have absolutley no time for this lil far right idiot

Stop stalking him then!?
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Angry of Mayfair wrote:
i have a problem with him being angry
Naturally in his current way of being angry yeah we all do. The point I was trying to make, perhaps clumsily is that it wouldn't be wrong to be angry purely at the murder and that it is wrong to be angry at all muslims.
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punchdrunk wrote:
Angry of Mayfair wrote:
Pokesdown wrote:
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Cobi Budge ‏@_cobibudge 19 Apr
Britain invented the modern world and all Western Nations, without our drive the world would still be reading by candle light.

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Cobi Budge ‏@_cobibudge 19 Apr
For over 60 years her Majesty Queen Elizabeth the second has ruled over us with courage and clarity, god save the queen.


so he is a tory now!

i have absolutley no time for this lil far right idiot

Stop stalking him then!?

pokesdown did that Razz
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Here's a nice Christian group on an outing. None of them are Muslims.

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You've said some very stupid yet very revealing things Dane.

I've had a few discussions about this - basically challenging the 'kick 'em out' brigade I've been accued of being a liberal/do-gooder. Thank the Earth, Moon and stars that I am. It's weird to be criticised and ridiculed for being a decent human being who respects other people's cultures and faiths - apparently, it's a bad thing to be that way.

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Peggy. I didn't attack the buildings so you can take your rubbish and spout it elsewhere.

This lad was butchered. I'm not apologising for getting angry

You didn't attack a building but Muslims didn't kill this man either. Two individuals did. Two individuals that were very much English. They were as 'English' as you Dane.
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A young girl was interviewed on the radio yesterday, she said she has been afraid walking the streets of Greenwich for a while now, in case somebody identifies her as a Muslim and attacks her, she said that yesterday she thought she was more likely to be attacked than at any time in her life, how sad is it that a young girl in this day and age is genuinely frightened to walk the streets of the town she lives in?
Welcome to the noughties.
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Iggy wrote:
A young girl was interviewed on the radio yesterday, she said she has been afraid walking the streets of Greenwich for a while now, in case somebody identifies her as a Muslim and attacks her, she said that yesterday she thought she was more likely to be attacked than at any time in her life, how sad is it that a young girl in this day and age is genuinely frightened to walk the streets of the town she lives in?
Welcome to the noughties.

She shouldn't be 'ere then - if she don't like English intolerance and bigoted abuse and feeling threatened for being a rag head, she can get on a plane and go back to her sandpit. Just don't sit next to Dane on the plane as he ain't 'avin none of it.

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hairy j wrote:
Here's a nice Christian group on an outing. None of them are Muslims.

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You've said some very stupid yet very revealing things Dane.

I've had a few discussions about this - basically challenging the 'kick 'em out' brigade I've been accued of being a liberal/do-gooder. Thank the Earth, Moon and stars that I am. It's weird to be criticised and ridiculed for being a decent human being who respects other people's cultures and faiths - apparently, it's a bad thing to be that way.

Dane. wrote:
Peggy. I didn't attack the buildings so you can take your rubbish and spout it elsewhere.

This lad was butchered. I'm not apologising for getting angry

You didn't attack a building but Muslims didn't kill this man either. Two individuals did. Two individuals that were very much English. They were as 'English' as you Dane.

Hairy, is this a new Forza Verdi pic? They would fit in quite nicely alongside the EDL flag in the Mayflower.

It seems Dane appears easy meat for some on here but is merely a deflection tactic in my opinion. The scum that hacked the British soldier to death did not see themselves as English, therefore they are not English in either their own view or the wider public view.

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