Subject: Re: Fleetwood Town 15:00 Plymouth Argyle Sat Aug 06, 2022 5:47 pm
Why does the result matter? We have far better infrastructure than Fleetwood
Greenskin
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Subject: Re: Fleetwood Town 15:00 Plymouth Argyle Sat Aug 06, 2022 5:54 pm
Yanks out
Jethro
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Subject: Re: Fleetwood Town 15:00 Plymouth Argyle Sat Aug 06, 2022 6:36 pm
Angry wrote:
i struggled to stay awake listen to the comms from argyle tv but the first half we didnt seem to bad :O what happened i wonder
Go back to radio Devon then moron
Jethro
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Subject: Re: Fleetwood Town 15:00 Plymouth Argyle Sat Aug 06, 2022 6:38 pm
We need the goals to come from everywhere on the pitch of this 5-2-2-1 system is ever going to work.
Not just on the heads of the 3, strikers and a winger we have.
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Subject: Re: Fleetwood Town 15:00 Plymouth Argyle Sat Aug 06, 2022 7:09 pm
Jethro you have been told to stop abusing other posters. You abuse angry at every opportunity. This is going to stop now or you will be leaving ATD for a while.
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Subject: Re: Fleetwood Town 15:00 Plymouth Argyle Sat Aug 06, 2022 7:26 pm
mouldyoldgoat wrote:
Jethro you have been told to stop abusing other posters. You abuse angry at every opportunity. This is going to stop now or you will be leaving ATD for a while.
Coxside_Green
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Subject: Re: Fleetwood Town 15:00 Plymouth Argyle Sat Aug 06, 2022 7:39 pm
Grovehill wrote:
Why does the result matter? We have far better infrastructure than Fleetwood
Perhaps we should aim for Fleetwood's level in infrastructure with a shite pitch and 3k attendances, relying on an owner to fund us. Would you be happy? You've either lost the beauty of English football where anyone can beat anyone on any given day or your expectations are just unrealistic. Please explain...
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Grovehill
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Subject: Re: Fleetwood Town 15:00 Plymouth Argyle Sat Aug 06, 2022 7:48 pm
Coxside_Green wrote:
Grovehill wrote:
Why does the result matter? We have far better infrastructure than Fleetwood
Perhaps we should remain at Fleetwood's level in infrastructure with a shite pitch and 3k attendances, relying on an owner to fund us. Would you be happy? Please explain...
3K attendances? That's the problem isn't it. Having attendances 3 or 4 times that means some people think the Club should be spending more than they currently are on the playing resources, while others think that all those fans are a resource to be milked for every penny they can get out of them
Coxside_Green
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Subject: Re: Fleetwood Town 15:00 Plymouth Argyle Sat Aug 06, 2022 8:07 pm
Grovehill wrote:
Coxside_Green wrote:
Grovehill wrote:
Why does the result matter? We have far better infrastructure than Fleetwood
Perhaps we should remain at Fleetwood's level in infrastructure with a shite pitch and 3k attendances, relying on an owner to fund us. Would you be happy? Please explain...
3K attendances? That's the problem isn't it. Having attendances 3 or 4 times that means some people think the Club should be spending more than they currently are on the playing resources, while others think that all those fans are a resource to be milked for every penny they can get out of them
Apologies, I edited after you posted, not that it makes much difference.
There has been a lot said about Fleetwood and how the club has been funded, I won't expand on that for legal reasons. Imagine Ipswich fans with their fanbase thinking they had a right to finish above us, do you sit there in agreement sympathising with them? You're nuts, it's not how football works. You can't put a price on how much that top down harmony is worth, we saw it under Luggy and we're seeing it again now. The overall improvements, as small as they may be, are evident. Defeat at Fleetwood doesn't change that.
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Subject: Re: Fleetwood Town 15:00 Plymouth Argyle Sat Aug 06, 2022 8:47 pm
wilson needs to go the second goal was on him for failing to do the number one thing a defender is trained to do defend.... He is a liability and simply isnt fast enough to defend on the right hand side of 3 man defence. Time to move him on and bring someone in who can do the job. If the new guy from Wolves is ready nows the time to play him there.
first goal was a defensive error from the team they should have dealt with that it was textbook stuff. In fact we where lucky not to have gone 1-0 down as the highlights will show.
bad day at the office much work needs to be done especially defending ready for saturday for Peterborough at home game 2.
Coxside_Green
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Subject: Re: Fleetwood Town 15:00 Plymouth Argyle Sat Aug 06, 2022 9:12 pm
wilson needs to go the second goal was on him for failing to do the number one thing a defender is trained to do defend.... He is a liability and simply isnt fast enough to defend on the right hand side of 3 man defence. Time to move him on and bring someone in who can do the job. If the new guy from Wolves is ready nows the time to play him there.
first goal was a defensive error from the team they should have dealt with that it was textbook stuff. In fact we where lucky not to have gone 1-0 down as the highlights will show.
bad day at the office much work needs to be done especially defending ready for saturday for Peterborough at home game 2.
That's a bit harsh after 1 game ain't it?
Les Miserable
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Subject: Re: Fleetwood Town 15:00 Plymouth Argyle Sat Aug 06, 2022 9:18 pm
Angry wrote:
bad day at the office much work needs to be done especially defending
"Excellent L1 game" according to aka, he watched it on the radio.
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Subject: Re: Fleetwood Town 15:00 Plymouth Argyle Sat Aug 06, 2022 9:37 pm
wilson needs to go the second goal was on him for failing to do the number one thing a defender is trained to do defend.... He is a liability and simply isnt fast enough to defend on the right hand side of 3 man defence. Time to move him on and bring someone in who can do the job. If the new guy from Wolves is ready nows the time to play him there.
first goal was a defensive error from the team they should have dealt with that it was textbook stuff. In fact we where lucky not to have gone 1-0 down as the highlights will show.
bad day at the office much work needs to be done especially defending ready for saturday for Peterborough at home game 2.
That's a bit harsh after 1 game ain't it?
no no coxside ive been off him for a while not just after 1 game into the new season. I was calling for a replacement for him at the end of last season as hes too slow for that role and if we had to keep him regardless move him into the middle and have him compete with Scarr for the that role as that might work out well for all.
The second goal was down to him despite his protests in the video he failed to close down their 32? twice and completely miscued his tackle that allowed that goal to be set up. He did that too many times for me last season and its getting to the point schumacher has to address it.
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Subject: Re: Fleetwood Town 15:00 Plymouth Argyle Sat Aug 06, 2022 9:38 pm
Les Miserable wrote:
Angry wrote:
bad day at the office much work needs to be done especially defending
"Excellent L1 game" according to aka, he watched it on the radio.
that's a requirement to be a mod on pasoti so im told
I'm joking aka I'm joking lol
akagreengull Admin
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Subject: Re: Fleetwood Town 15:00 Plymouth Argyle Sat Aug 06, 2022 9:39 pm
Yep watched it on the radio, I thought it sounded quite an exciting end to end game. Also the radio Devon com kept telling me the game was (quote) "a credit to L 1 football" " and a pleasure to watch" so I thought it was a good game. Maybe my cynical judgement is starting to fail me. Will watch the highlights tomorrow. Did you watch it Les Mis?
Les Miserable
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Subject: Re: Fleetwood Town 15:00 Plymouth Argyle Sat Aug 06, 2022 9:58 pm
akagreengull wrote:
Yep watched it on the radio, I thought it sounded quite an exciting end to end game. Also the radio Devon com kept telling me the game was (quote) "a credit to L 1 football" " and a pleasure to watch" so I thought it was a good game. Maybe my cynical judgement is starting to fail me. Will watch the highlights tomorrow. Did you watch it Les Mis?
Yes, very average fayre imo. Radio dem and argo tv are painful to listen too, I watched it on the fleetwood ifollow, much more balanced.
Coxside_Green
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Subject: Re: Fleetwood Town 15:00 Plymouth Argyle Sat Aug 06, 2022 10:00 pm
wilson needs to go the second goal was on him for failing to do the number one thing a defender is trained to do defend.... He is a liability and simply isnt fast enough to defend on the right hand side of 3 man defence. Time to move him on and bring someone in who can do the job. If the new guy from Wolves is ready nows the time to play him there.
first goal was a defensive error from the team they should have dealt with that it was textbook stuff. In fact we where lucky not to have gone 1-0 down as the highlights will show.
bad day at the office much work needs to be done especially defending ready for saturday for Peterborough at home game 2.
That's a bit harsh after 1 game ain't it?
no no coxside ive been off him for a while not just after 1 game into the new season. I was calling for a replacement for him at the end of last season as hes too slow for that role and if we had to keep him regardless move him into the middle and have him compete with Scarr for the that role as that might work out well for all.
The second goal was down to him despite his protests in the video he failed to close down their 32? twice and completely miscued his tackle that allowed that goal to be set up. He did that too many times for me last season and its getting to the point schumacher has to address it.
Fair enough, I respect your opinion. I'm sure Shuey and his team will also have their opinion and address things as the season progresses. Putting him in the middle does seem a reasonable alternative, he ain't no spring chicken.
RegGreen
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Subject: Re: Fleetwood Town 15:00 Plymouth Argyle Sun Aug 07, 2022 12:12 am
Same old problem can’t concentrate and see the game out plus shit defending a lethal combination with been suffering for a few seasons now Can’t come soon enough getting that new kid in at the back
Jethro
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Subject: Re: Fleetwood Town 15:00 Plymouth Argyle Sun Aug 07, 2022 1:26 am
Just seen the highlights, why the feck do we continue to let teams run at us, put a tackle in ffs Gilllespey and wilson both at fault for first and second goals.
stick a foot towards the ball ffs.
Les Miserable
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Subject: Re: Fleetwood Town 15:00 Plymouth Argyle Sun Aug 07, 2022 7:31 am
Jethro wrote:
Just seen the highlights, why the feck do we continue to let teams run at us, put a tackle in ffs Gilllespey and wilson both at fault for first and second goals.
stick a foot towards the ball ffs.
Tackling is sooo 1980s
akagreengull Admin
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Subject: Re: Fleetwood Town 15:00 Plymouth Argyle Sun Aug 07, 2022 8:56 am
Hmm, second Fleetwood goal was a whole series of poor tackling and blocks, imagine Schuey was fuming at that.
Greenskin
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Subject: Re: Fleetwood Town 15:00 Plymouth Argyle Sun Aug 07, 2022 9:11 am
Jethro wrote:
Just seen the highlights, why the feck do we continue to let teams run at us, put a tackle in ffs Gilllespey and wilson both at fault for first and second goals.
stick a foot towards the ball ffs.
The first goal was nothing to do with Gilesphey. Someone had to go to meet the man with the ball or there would have been a gap big enough to drive the Titantic through. Someone, ie Butcher or Mumba should have been awake enough to realise that there was a midfield runner getting in behind them and they weren't-a midfielders job is at both ends of the pitch, not just the flashy attacking stuff.
Earwegoagain
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Subject: Re: Fleetwood Town 15:00 Plymouth Argyle Sun Aug 07, 2022 9:45 am
Coxside_Green wrote:
Earwegoagain wrote:
PlymptonPilgrim wrote:
Earwegoagain wrote:
Such a shame we don't have the money to improve the strike force.
Shame you never have anything intelligent to say.
Scrappy game, draw would have been a fair result. Incredibly fussy referee, who's refusal to book any Fleetwood player was quite amazing. Another game where just a bit of quality in their half would probably have put the game to bed.
Plenty more of that coming this season bhey.
Sounds like you want to prove yourself right rather than support the club in what they're trying to achieve.
A front three of Hardie, Mayor and Azaz will or at least should pose a lot of threat most games. It's not all about strikers, it's a team game, I would've thought someone with your aged experience would've realised this by now. If I have any criticism today then it would be the lack of goals from set plays, especially corners.
After the absolute beasting that I've had for expressing a differing opinion on here I guess that you all earned that one, as for strikers or goals for that matter we only have one striker, Hardie who produces the goals consistently and to progress up the league with year on year improvement which is the stated goal of Hallett I can't see where the extra goals will come from this season to achieve that? Azaz looks great but he would be even better delivering killer balls to an out and out striker. Also if Hardie picks up an injury we will be fooked like at the end of last season. Goals win games not blindly supporting the chairman and I think he has got it wrong, time will tell of course and if we get promoted at the end of the season I will be celebrating as wildly as anyone and happily admit I was wrong unlike most on here that have given me dogs abuse who will as ever just change their story.
Freathy
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Subject: Re: Fleetwood Town 15:00 Plymouth Argyle Sun Aug 07, 2022 12:02 pm
I don't think we have recruited very well (so far) mainly due to budget and if we spend time in the bottom quarter of the table after 10 games then support for the chairman will quite rightly wane rapidly. As it happens I still think we'll be comfortably mid-table next May but play-offs - not a snowballs chance in hell.
RegGreen
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Subject: Re: Fleetwood Town 15:00 Plymouth Argyle Sun Aug 07, 2022 1:11 pm
All the managers & assistants and assistants of assistants with got at the club Any know about tackling & running a opponent down the line and finally put the ball out of play …just asking like