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PostSubject: Wrexham    Wrexham  EmptySat May 28, 2022 3:58 pm

Have proved today that lots of dosh doesn’t always buy success.
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PostSubject: Re: Wrexham    Wrexham  EmptySat May 28, 2022 4:50 pm

lol! When did the minted owners take over? Give it five years and they will be ahead of us foreshore.
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PostSubject: Re: Wrexham    Wrexham  EmptySat May 28, 2022 5:57 pm

Earwegoagain wrote:
lol! When did the minted owners take over? Give it five years and they will be ahead of us foreshore.
give it 5 yrs and port vale will be a head of super si 5 yr plan Lol
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PostSubject: Re: Wrexham    Wrexham  EmptySat May 28, 2022 6:06 pm

RegGreen wrote:
Earwegoagain wrote:
lol! When did the minted owners take over? Give it five years and they will be ahead of us foreshore.
give  it 5 yrs and port vale will be a head of super si 5 yr plan Lol

As Argyle are so crap they probably deserve supporters like you two, you fit in quite well
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PostSubject: Re: Wrexham    Wrexham  EmptySat May 28, 2022 6:59 pm

Graiser wrote:
RegGreen wrote:
Earwegoagain wrote:
lol! When did the minted owners take over? Give it five years and they will be ahead of us foreshore.
give  it 5 yrs and port vale will be a head of super si 5 yr plan Lol

As Argyle are so crap they probably deserve supporters like you two, you fit in quite well

Not really a very meaningful example though. Wrexham were struggling before the yankees took over, so it could be said to be relatively successful even if no promotion resulted. Money doesn't always buy success, only about 90% of the time-ultimately in League 1 last year it was the clubs with sponds [either through money garnered in the championship or vast crowd income] who went up. Wonder what the income from the new corporate facilities at HP was this year-it was much argued by some quarters during the championship years that investment in facilities rather than players would ultimately lead to a game changing scenario. It'll be interesting to see the accounts for this year and indeed to see if the playing budget is materially increased to make a difference even in a lower division than those far off days
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PostSubject: Re: Wrexham    Wrexham  EmptySat May 28, 2022 7:11 pm

Greenskin wrote:
Graiser wrote:
RegGreen wrote:
Earwegoagain wrote:
lol! When did the minted owners take over? Give it five years and they will be ahead of us foreshore.
give  it 5 yrs and port vale will be a head of super si 5 yr plan Lol

As Argyle are so crap they probably deserve supporters like you two, you fit in quite well

Not really a very meaningful example though. Wrexham were struggling before the yankees took over, so it could be said to be relatively successful even if no promotion resulted. Money doesn't always buy success, only about 90% of the time-ultimately in League 1 last year it was the clubs with sponds [either through money garnered in the championship or vast crowd income] who went up. Wonder what the income from the new corporate facilities at HP was this year-it was much argued by some quarters during the championship years that investment in facilities rather than players would ultimately lead to a game changing scenario. It'll be interesting to see the accounts for this year and indeed to see if the playing budget is materially increased to make a difference even in a lower division than those far off days

Can't see it being much more generated by the grandstand now than before, the capacity is now less and the corporate stuff was always very well attended, "Exeter Chiefs model" was just another sound byte like the old "five year plan,," gives the avivas something to cling to instead of actual footballing success.
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PostSubject: Re: Wrexham    Wrexham  EmptySat May 28, 2022 7:34 pm

Greenskin wrote:
Graiser wrote:
RegGreen wrote:
Earwegoagain wrote:
lol! When did the minted owners take over? Give it five years and they will be ahead of us foreshore.
give  it 5 yrs and port vale will be a head of super si 5 yr plan Lol

As Argyle are so crap they probably deserve supporters like you two, you fit in quite well

Not really a very meaningful example though. Wrexham were struggling before the yankees took over, so it could be said to be relatively successful even if no promotion resulted. Money doesn't always buy success, only about 90% of the time-ultimately in League 1 last year it was the clubs with sponds [either through money garnered in the championship or vast crowd income] who went up. Wonder what the income from the new corporate facilities at HP was this year-it was much argued by some quarters during the championship years that investment in facilities rather than players would ultimately lead to a game changing scenario. It'll be interesting to see the accounts for this year and indeed to see if the playing budget is materially increased to make a difference even in a lower division than those far off days

i thought Ryan Reynolds was Canadian in anycase if anyone watched some of his movies knows he is used to financial flops so Wrexham not going up wont deter him or the other guy from investing and going for it again.

In any case when we were in the championship we drew zero money from facilities it wouldn't have been a bad thing for staplewallet to have done that as him ignoring that along with other matters like admitting he had no feckin clue how to run a club unless paul sturrock was advising him and spending money we didnt have is what almost killed us we had zero money coming into the club.

We need to address that if we are to waste £10,000 a week on players who dont want to be here as having a capacity of 16000 max at games is not going to bring in the money to do that. Corporate investment has to be regular and i trust the club now covid is over will get to work attracting that with their new facilities.

As for what our facilities brought in this year i wouldnt have thought it would be that much considering covid so i am expecting a loss for last season.
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PostSubject: Re: Wrexham    Wrexham  EmptySat May 28, 2022 8:37 pm

Angry wrote:
Greenskin wrote:
Graiser wrote:
RegGreen wrote:
Earwegoagain wrote:
lol! When did the minted owners take over? Give it five years and they will be ahead of us foreshore.
give  it 5 yrs and port vale will be a head of super si 5 yr plan Lol

As Argyle are so crap they probably deserve supporters like you two, you fit in quite well

Not really a very meaningful example though. Wrexham were struggling before the yankees took over, so it could be said to be relatively successful even if no promotion resulted. Money doesn't always buy success, only about 90% of the time-ultimately in League 1 last year it was the clubs with sponds [either through money garnered in the championship or vast crowd income] who went up. Wonder what the income from the new corporate facilities at HP was this year-it was much argued by some quarters during the championship years that investment in facilities rather than players would ultimately lead to a game changing scenario. It'll be interesting to see the accounts for this year and indeed to see if the playing budget is materially increased to make a difference even in a lower division than those far off days

i thought Ryan Reynolds was Canadian in anycase if anyone watched some of his movies knows he is used to financial flops so Wrexham not going up wont deter him or the other guy from investing and going for it again.

In any case when we were in the championship we drew zero money from facilities it wouldn't have been a bad thing for staplewallet to have done that as him ignoring that along with other matters like admitting he had no feckin clue how to run a club unless paul sturrock was advising him and spending money we didnt have is what almost killed us we had zero money coming into the club.

We need to address that if we are to waste £10,000 a week on players who dont want to be here as  having a capacity of 16000 max at games is not going to bring in the money to do that. Corporate investment has to be regular and i trust the club now covid is over will get to work attracting that with their new facilities.

As for what our facilities brought in this year i wouldnt have thought it would be that much considering covid so i am expecting a loss for last season.

Dual citizenship. What really ended Argyle's hopes of making further progress in the championship was the reluctance of the board to consider any alternative source of investment [as Plympton Pilgrim would no doubt confirm] until it was too late and the rot had already set in, resulting in a situation whereby the playing side declined through the sale of major assets and their subsequent inadequate replacement-no new facilities were added, meaning the worst of all possible worlds. To his credit Simon Hallett has addressed the facilities situation, it remains to be seen if this proves to be an important factor in any long term progress or if additional finance will be needed to prepare the club for longer term success
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PostSubject: Re: Wrexham    Wrexham  EmptySat May 28, 2022 8:46 pm

Greenskin wrote:
Angry wrote:
Greenskin wrote:
Graiser wrote:
RegGreen wrote:
Earwegoagain wrote:
lol! When did the minted owners take over? Give it five years and they will be ahead of us foreshore.
give  it 5 yrs and port vale will be a head of super si 5 yr plan Lol

As Argyle are so crap they probably deserve supporters like you two, you fit in quite well

Not really a very meaningful example though. Wrexham were struggling before the yankees took over, so it could be said to be relatively successful even if no promotion resulted. Money doesn't always buy success, only about 90% of the time-ultimately in League 1 last year it was the clubs with sponds [either through money garnered in the championship or vast crowd income] who went up. Wonder what the income from the new corporate facilities at HP was this year-it was much argued by some quarters during the championship years that investment in facilities rather than players would ultimately lead to a game changing scenario. It'll be interesting to see the accounts for this year and indeed to see if the playing budget is materially increased to make a difference even in a lower division than those far off days

i thought Ryan Reynolds was Canadian in anycase if anyone watched some of his movies knows he is used to financial flops so Wrexham not going up wont deter him or the other guy from investing and going for it again.

In any case when we were in the championship we drew zero money from facilities it wouldn't have been a bad thing for staplewallet to have done that as him ignoring that along with other matters like admitting he had no feckin clue how to run a club unless paul sturrock was advising him and spending money we didnt have is what almost killed us we had zero money coming into the club.

We need to address that if we are to waste £10,000 a week on players who dont want to be here as  having a capacity of 16000 max at games is not going to bring in the money to do that. Corporate investment has to be regular and i trust the club now covid is over will get to work attracting that with their new facilities.

As for what our facilities brought in this year i wouldnt have thought it would be that much considering covid so i am expecting a loss for last season.

Dual citizenship. What really ended Argyle's hopes of making further progress in the championship was the reluctance of the board to consider any alternative source of investment [as Plympton Pilgrim would no doubt confirm] until it was too late and the rot had already set in, resulting in a situation whereby the playing side declined through the sale of major assets and their subsequent inadequate replacement-no new facilities were added, meaning the worst of all possible worlds. To his credit Simon Hallett has addressed the facilities situation, it remains to be seen if this proves to be an important factor in any long term progress or if additional finance will be needed to prepare the club for longer term success

staplewallet was too stubborn to understand he couldn't do anything to aide the club despite refusing offers of help cause he didn't want to give up power and the one guy he found after being forced to look to bring outside investment from japan who was billed as a Japanese m&s foods owner with lots of cash when in reality he was a skint farmfoods owner who didnt put a penny into the club.

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PostSubject: Re: Wrexham    Wrexham  EmptySun May 29, 2022 8:29 am

Angry wrote:
Greenskin wrote:
Angry wrote:
Greenskin wrote:
Graiser wrote:
RegGreen wrote:
Earwegoagain wrote:
lol! When did the minted owners take over? Give it five years and they will be ahead of us foreshore.
give  it 5 yrs and port vale will be a head of super si 5 yr plan Lol

As Argyle are so crap they probably deserve supporters like you two, you fit in quite well

Not really a very meaningful example though. Wrexham were struggling before the yankees took over, so it could be said to be relatively successful even if no promotion resulted. Money doesn't always buy success, only about 90% of the time-ultimately in League 1 last year it was the clubs with sponds [either through money garnered in the championship or vast crowd income] who went up. Wonder what the income from the new corporate facilities at HP was this year-it was much argued by some quarters during the championship years that investment in facilities rather than players would ultimately lead to a game changing scenario. It'll be interesting to see the accounts for this year and indeed to see if the playing budget is materially increased to make a difference even in a lower division than those far off days

i thought Ryan Reynolds was Canadian in anycase if anyone watched some of his movies knows he is used to financial flops so Wrexham not going up wont deter him or the other guy from investing and going for it again.

In any case when we were in the championship we drew zero money from facilities it wouldn't have been a bad thing for staplewallet to have done that as him ignoring that along with other matters like admitting he had no feckin clue how to run a club unless paul sturrock was advising him and spending money we didnt have is what almost killed us we had zero money coming into the club.

We need to address that if we are to waste £10,000 a week on players who dont want to be here as  having a capacity of 16000 max at games is not going to bring in the money to do that. Corporate investment has to be regular and i trust the club now covid is over will get to work attracting that with their new facilities.

As for what our facilities brought in this year i wouldnt have thought it would be that much considering covid so i am expecting a loss for last season.

Dual citizenship. What really ended Argyle's hopes of making further progress in the championship was the reluctance of the board to consider any alternative source of investment [as Plympton Pilgrim would no doubt confirm] until it was too late and the rot had already set in, resulting in a situation whereby the playing side declined through the sale of major assets and their subsequent inadequate replacement-no new facilities were added, meaning the worst of all possible worlds. To his credit Simon Hallett has addressed the facilities situation, it remains to be seen if this proves to be an important factor in any long term progress or if additional finance will be needed to prepare the club for longer term success

staplewallet was too stubborn to understand he couldn't do anything to aide the club despite refusing offers of help cause he didn't want to give up power and the one guy he found after being forced to look to bring outside investment from japan who was billed as a Japanese m&s foods owner with lots of cash when in reality he was a skint farmfoods owner who didnt put a penny into the club.  

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The above could well be Si's obituary in a couple of years imo.
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PostSubject: Re: Wrexham    Wrexham  EmptySun May 29, 2022 5:41 pm

Earwegoagain wrote:
Angry wrote:
Greenskin wrote:
Angry wrote:
Greenskin wrote:
Graiser wrote:
RegGreen wrote:
Earwegoagain wrote:
lol! When did the minted owners take over? Give it five years and they will be ahead of us foreshore.
give  it 5 yrs and port vale will be a head of super si 5 yr plan Lol

As Argyle are so crap they probably deserve supporters like you two, you fit in quite well

Not really a very meaningful example though. Wrexham were struggling before the yankees took over, so it could be said to be relatively successful even if no promotion resulted. Money doesn't always buy success, only about 90% of the time-ultimately in League 1 last year it was the clubs with sponds [either through money garnered in the championship or vast crowd income] who went up. Wonder what the income from the new corporate facilities at HP was this year-it was much argued by some quarters during the championship years that investment in facilities rather than players would ultimately lead to a game changing scenario. It'll be interesting to see the accounts for this year and indeed to see if the playing budget is materially increased to make a difference even in a lower division than those far off days

i thought Ryan Reynolds was Canadian in anycase if anyone watched some of his movies knows he is used to financial flops so Wrexham not going up wont deter him or the other guy from investing and going for it again.

In any case when we were in the championship we drew zero money from facilities it wouldn't have been a bad thing for staplewallet to have done that as him ignoring that along with other matters like admitting he had no feckin clue how to run a club unless paul sturrock was advising him and spending money we didnt have is what almost killed us we had zero money coming into the club.

We need to address that if we are to waste £10,000 a week on players who dont want to be here as  having a capacity of 16000 max at games is not going to bring in the money to do that. Corporate investment has to be regular and i trust the club now covid is over will get to work attracting that with their new facilities.

As for what our facilities brought in this year i wouldnt have thought it would be that much considering covid so i am expecting a loss for last season.

Dual citizenship. What really ended Argyle's hopes of making further progress in the championship was the reluctance of the board to consider any alternative source of investment [as Plympton Pilgrim would no doubt confirm] until it was too late and the rot had already set in, resulting in a situation whereby the playing side declined through the sale of major assets and their subsequent inadequate replacement-no new facilities were added, meaning the worst of all possible worlds. To his credit Simon Hallett has addressed the facilities situation, it remains to be seen if this proves to be an important factor in any long term progress or if additional finance will be needed to prepare the club for longer term success

staplewallet was too stubborn to understand he couldn't do anything to aide the club despite refusing offers of help cause he didn't want to give up power and the one guy he found after being forced to look to bring outside investment from japan who was billed as a Japanese m&s foods owner with lots of cash when in reality he was a skint farmfoods owner who didnt put a penny into the club.  

.

The above could well be Si's obituary in a couple of years imo.
the Japanese did have money ..it was only they realised staplwallet cooked the books by selling off the team prior then they realised they had been duped and refused to hand over more money !
As for Hallett i hope he does invest decent players getting a bit fed up with it now sell our best players like clockwork every season well as I said hope he invests some of that tidy profit he makes from his eco car park extra net on the club ..don’t forget the team
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