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PostSubject: Argyle had bid rejected for Ipswich Town's defender   Argyle had bid rejected for Ipswich Town's defender EmptyMon Jan 18, 2021 8:57 pm

Ryan Lowe has confirmed that Plymouth Argyle have had a bid rejected for out-of-favour Ipswich Town defender Janoi Donacien.

Lowe has not completely ruled out any further interest in signing the 27-year-old, but stated that ‘the ball is in their court’ with reference to Ipswich.

Reports in East Anglia suggested Argyle had made ‘a modest offer’ for Donacien, who has not played any League One football for Ipswich this season.

Lowe revealed he spoke to Ipswich general manager Lee O’Neill about Donacien, who is thought to be a loan target for his former club, Accrington Stanley.

Lowe said: “I spoke to Lee there, who is a good bloke, and we just couldn’t get a deal done. That’s why I say it has got to be right.

We will keep trying. We are looking. And we don’t just have one target, we have a few.

“They have come out and said it, and I can’t deny it now can I? He was just one of many.”

When Lowe was asked whether there was any chance of a deal for Donacien being revived, he replied: “I don’t know, it depends. The ball is in their court, we have done our bit.

“If they give us a call and say ‘You can do this now’ we will look at it, but until then we are on with the next ones.”

Donacien is out of contract at Portman Road in the summer

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From Ipswich Fans

Ipswich has signed to more players, now they are at their max of 22 senior players, with Harrop tipping over the wage cap. Someone will have to be cut:

22: Holy, Cornell; Chambers, KVY, Donacien, Wilson, Nsiala, Woolf', Ward, Kenlock; Skuse, Nolan, Bishop, Judge, Huws, Harrop, Edwards, Sears, Norwood, Jackson, Hawkins, Drinan.

Looking to move Donacien on
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Tgwu wrote:
From Ipswich Fans

Ipswich has signed to more players, now they are at their max of 22 senior players, with Harrop tipping over the wage cap. Someone will have to be cut:

22: Holy, Cornell; Chambers, KVY, Donacien, Wilson, Nsiala, Woolf', Ward, Kenlock; Skuse, Nolan, Bishop, Judge, Huws, Harrop, Edwards, Sears, Norwood, Jackson, Hawkins, Drinan.

Looking to move Donacien on

Ipswich will sell Donacien thats for certain but i wager thy are holding out for aslong as they can for their evaluation before panic and end up accepting what they can get.
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Angry wrote:
Tgwu wrote:
From Ipswich Fans

Ipswich has signed to more players, now they are at their max of 22 senior players, with Harrop tipping over the wage cap. Someone will have to be cut:

22: Holy, Cornell; Chambers, KVY, Donacien, Wilson, Nsiala, Woolf', Ward, Kenlock; Skuse, Nolan, Bishop, Judge, Huws, Harrop, Edwards, Sears, Norwood, Jackson, Hawkins, Drinan.

Looking to move Donacien on

Ipswich will sell Donacien thats for certain but i wager thy are holding out for aslong as they can for their evaluation before panic and end up accepting what they can get.

I think his contract finishes in the summer but i think he will go to Accrington Stanley
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Tgwu wrote:
Angry wrote:
Tgwu wrote:
From Ipswich Fans

Ipswich has signed to more players, now they are at their max of 22 senior players, with Harrop tipping over the wage cap. Someone will have to be cut:

22: Holy, Cornell; Chambers, KVY, Donacien, Wilson, Nsiala, Woolf', Ward, Kenlock; Skuse, Nolan, Bishop, Judge, Huws, Harrop, Edwards, Sears, Norwood, Jackson, Hawkins, Drinan.

Looking to move Donacien on

Ipswich will sell Donacien thats for certain but i wager thy are holding out for aslong as they can for their evaluation before panic and end up accepting what they can get.

I think his contract finishes in the summer but i think he will go to Accrington Stanley

if he is out of contract summertime then ipswich wont hold out to much longer to any club. Its what we should be doing in some cases to players who either are out of contract in summer and dont want to stay or out of favour rather than let them leave for free.
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Angry wrote:
Tgwu wrote:
Angry wrote:
Tgwu wrote:
From Ipswich Fans

Ipswich has signed to more players, now they are at their max of 22 senior players, with Harrop tipping over the wage cap. Someone will have to be cut:

22: Holy, Cornell; Chambers, KVY, Donacien, Wilson, Nsiala, Woolf', Ward, Kenlock; Skuse, Nolan, Bishop, Judge, Huws, Harrop, Edwards, Sears, Norwood, Jackson, Hawkins, Drinan.

Looking to move Donacien on

Ipswich will sell Donacien thats for certain but i wager thy are holding out for aslong as they can for their evaluation before panic and end up accepting what they can get.

I think his contract finishes in the summer but i think he will go to Accrington Stanley

if he is out of contract summertime then ipswich wont hold out to much longer to any club. Its what we should be doing in some cases to players who either are out of contract in summer and dont want to stay or out of favour rather than let them leave for free.

The defender, signed from Accrington Stanley by Paul Hurst in 2018, has been restricted to three cup appearances this season, putting in solid displays in his games with Fulham and Gillingham before impressing in the FA Cup loss to Portsmouth.

Donacien is comfortable in all areas of the defence but very much sees himself as a specialist right-back, with that path blocked firstly by evergreen skipper Luke Chambers and also potentially by Kane Vincent-Young,

Donacien initially moved to Portman Road on loan under Hurst before his move became permanent for a fee of £750,000 in January 2019, following months of red tape relating to the St Lucian’s work permit.

The 27-year-old’s Ipswich contract is up next summer.
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May turn out to be a George Cooper like situation where Ipswich see sense albeit how long does Ryan Lowe delay.
I think its pretty unlikely we'll get sucked into the bottom 4.
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Do we need a RB? Centre half and left back are where the problems are
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Two more League One clubs have made approaches for in-demand Ipswich Town defender Janoi Donacien,

Fleetwood Town and Wigan Athletic are understood to be the latest clubs to have made loan offers for the versatile defender, after Town rejected an offer in the region of £50,000 from Plymouth Argyle
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Lowe can't even sign him with the projected fee for Jephcott.
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Aren’t Wigan on an embargo because of their financial problems?

If clubs are only asking for a loan deal for him and we are offering money you never know they might accept.

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Grovehill wrote:
Do we need a RB? Centre half  and left back are where the problems are

did we not just bring in a lwb who scored on tuesday infact
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Earwegoagain wrote:
Lowe can't even sign him with the projected fee for Jephcott.

Remind me what that figure is? Or are you talking about Lowe's bluster?
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Be nice to have a LB that could actually defend.

The lad from Liverpool is only a short term signing and George Cooper should be playing further forward with a decent defender behind him.

Lowe's got Kevin Keegan syndrome-only sees what a player can do going forward-hence the 4 and five goal beatings
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Grovehill wrote:
Be nice to have a LB that could actually defend.

The lad from Liverpool is only a short term signing and George Cooper should be playing further forward with a decent defender behind him.

Lowe's got Kevin Keegan syndrome-only sees what a player can do going forward-hence the 4 and five goal beatings

what would be the point in signing a left back when we dont play with one in the formation we use 3-5-2?  A LWB who can defend id agree with you or a defender who can cover the gap left by the win back going forward buts its too early in the day to say if the new boy can do the defensive part of the role or not yet.
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Grovehill wrote:
Be nice to have a LB that could actually defend.

The lad from Liverpool is only a short term signing and George Cooper should be playing further forward with a decent defender behind him.

Lowe's got Kevin Keegan syndrome-only sees what a player can do going forward-hence the 4 and five goal beatings


Feck me Grovey,you've got a serious bee in your bonnet about the bloke.Let's go back awhile to the summer of 2019 when Argyle were managerless,just about playerless,relegated and generally suffering from the depression which always goes with demotion. Now be honest-if someone had said at the time Argyle will appoint a young manager who in the next year and a half will get the club promotion,occupy a mid table position in the league above and get to the fourth round of the cup [ a rare event in Argyle's history when starting from round 1] would you have taken it? Much of the criticism of Adams was based on the feeling [not totally agreed with by myself] that he concentrated on defending too much and Argyle needed someone with a far more attacking outlook.No idea if you agreed with that viewpoint or not but in the general scheme of things,supporters can't complain if the odd hammering is incurred when appointing a manager of that type-seem to remember you holding up the 1974/75 team as a highlight of your Argyle years and rightly so but they were panned 5-1 at Wrexham and 5-2 at Blackburn-did that make Waiters a Kevin Keegan type? I don't know if Lowe is the long term answer for Argyle to make further progress but any objective analysis has to conclude that he hasn't done too badly so far-with respect,your posts don't seem to be meeting the objectivity criteria IMHO.
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Agree with the above, he's not the messiah but feck me we could be and have recently been in a far far far worse position both on and off the field.
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full-back Janoi Donacien’s move on loan to Fleetwood Town is set to be confirmed later today.
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Feck me Grovey,you've got a serious bee in your bonnet about the bloke.Let's go back awhile to the summer of 2019 when Argyle were managerless,just about playerless,relegated and generally suffering from the depression which always goes with demotion. Now be honest-if someone had said at the time Argyle will appoint a young manager who in the next year and a half will get the club promotion,occupy a mid table  position in the league above and get to the fourth round of the cup [ a rare event in Argyle's history when starting from round 1] would you have taken it? Much of the criticism of Adams was based on the feeling [not totally agreed with by myself] that he concentrated on defending too much and Argyle needed someone with a far more attacking outlook.No idea if you agreed with that viewpoint or not but in the general scheme of things,supporters can't complain if the odd hammering is incurred when appointing a manager of that type-seem to remember you holding up the 1974/75 team as a highlight of your Argyle years and rightly so but they were panned 5-1 at Wrexham and 5-2 at Blackburn-did that make Waiters a Kevin Keegan type? I don't know if Lowe is the long term answer for Argyle to make further progress but any objective analysis has to conclude that he hasn't done too badly so far-with respect,your posts don't seem to be meeting the objectivity criteria IMHO.[/quote]


Johnny Hore got us to a Cup Semi final, several Managers like Smith Allison & Holloway got us very near to the top division. Waiters turned the Club into a professional set up recruiting and developing good young players, Luggy got two promotions in three years while spending next to nothing. Holloway & Luggy signed players that were sold on at astronomical prices, the season after promotion, Adams' team was in a very similar position to where we are now.

Lowe is a young manager who got one team promoted before the Club folded, he joined Argyle and was allowed to recruit a lot of players and was slightly fortunate to claim another promotion (again from L2) in his first season (if the season had been stopped a few weeks earlier, or the ECFC game had gone ahead and we lost, we would not have been promoted) Despite his continuing recruitment of players, we have only Jephcott who would command any sort of fee. During a run of heavy defeats Lowe seemed at a lost as to how to turn things round and also a great reluctance in changing tactics. Professional football is about results-no team has ever been promoted just because they play "nice" football

Lowe has done well in his first 18 months, but having been a nomadic player he shows every sign of being the same as a Manager, not willing to put roots down in the area (unlike all the other Managers I have mentioned) and likely to move on at the earliest opportunity-at least when Holloway went he left behind a squad worth in excess of £5 million. I doubt (as evidenced by the Bury situation) that Lowe will leave a squad (bar Jephcott) that would fetch a tenth of that.

But that's just my opinion, we might be within a stone's throw of the Premiership in 5 years time, worried that Lowe will leave to replace Klopp

But I doubt it.
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