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PostSubject: Re: Coronavirus and Football   Coronavirus and Football - Page 14 EmptyFri Apr 10, 2020 12:12 pm

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More people and traffic around Mutley Plain this morning, some just don’t get it, or they might !!

i dont want it but i think total lockdown needs to be enforced soon as some especially in this weather are testing the waters too often now and its making a mockery of it all when its not being down as a fad but a vital act to keep people safe and not to overkill the nhs.

today ive seen f u c k ers in caravans travelling to cornwall why hasnt this been stopped physically rather than asking holiday makers verbally.

The thing is a total lockdown will be alomst impossible to implement. People still need food and provisions, other people need to look after vulnerable etc, most of us need excersice. It's all well and good saying total lockdown but most of the people who I speak to struggle to explain how it would actually work.

Agreed. It’s bizarre people demanding it. But also it’s piss poor optics the govt banning exercise before they ban booze and fags, secondly people need to exercise otherwise you’re creating another pRoblem for the nhs

I think we have our lockdown right but it needs enforcing more starting with the ministers and public employees caught breaking the rules.
The only other option we have is enforcing a total lockdown but then that creates massive panic buying then the lockdown needs to be lifted once a week for everybody to get supplies. This is exactly what happened to me in Sri Lanka. All through the week there is no one at all outside he on say Monday morning at Six am the curfew is lifted so everybody can get supplies and then the entire population decend on the shops and garages. It was mental. This is much better people just need to follow the rules.
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PostSubject: Re: Coronavirus and Football   Coronavirus and Football - Page 14 EmptyFri Apr 10, 2020 8:29 pm

Stick a roadblock on the M5 at the Somerset border and fine the buggers in the spot and send them away

That will sort it
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PostSubject: Re: Coronavirus and Football   Coronavirus and Football - Page 14 EmptyFri Apr 10, 2020 11:56 pm

Hugh Watt wrote:
Punchdrunk wrote:
Angry wrote:
Graiser wrote:
More people and traffic around Mutley Plain this morning, some just don’t get it, or they might !!

i dont want it but i think total lockdown needs to be enforced soon as some especially in this weather are testing the waters too often now and its making a mockery of it all when its not being down as a fad but a vital act to keep people safe and not to overkill the nhs.

today ive seen f u c k ers in caravans travelling to cornwall why hasnt this been stopped physically rather than asking holiday makers verbally.

The thing is a total lockdown will be alomst impossible to implement. People still need food and provisions, other people need to look after vulnerable etc, most of us need excersice. It's all well and good saying total lockdown but most of the people who I speak to struggle to explain how it would actually work.

Agreed. It’s bizarre people demanding it. But also it’s piss poor optics the govt banning exercise before they ban booze and fags, secondly people need to exercise otherwise you’re creating another pRoblem for the nhs

I’m really quite surprised at your take on this Hugh because you don’t ever give me the impression you’re thick as shit.

Ireland are talking about banning ‘exercise’ and it’s for a very good reason. That reason isn’t because they want to ban exercise. It’s because there are way too many people on the feckin streets under the guise of ‘exercise’. People are blatantly taking the piss. It isn’t even happening down here anywhere like on the scale of the big urban populations, but the reason ‘exercise’ will be banned is because quite simply it takes out if the equation an individual’s excuse for being out.

I hope they do ban it for a month. Then I hope England follows suit.  

The exercise excuse is complete and total bollocks for the vast majority of the country. You can feckin exercise perfectly well at home. You can get your heartbeat up by doing step aerobics using the first step on your feckin stairs. It isn’t feckin essential to go on a 5k every other day. But people’s outlook is....’they haven’t banned it, I’m off out’

Again for reference we’re very lucky here at the minute. As far as critical care goes we are only a tad over 50% at Derriford. Things can change quickly though. Exeter isn’t far away, and they are in the shit and will be getting one of the emergency Nightingale hospitals in the next couple of weeks.
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PostSubject: Re: Coronavirus and Football   Coronavirus and Football - Page 14 EmptySat Apr 11, 2020 5:42 am

Front of the Telegraph stating Social Distancing could be "indefinate" which has just come up on Sky news as well. I agree lol how long is indefinate before it gets queried !

DM reporting at least a year before back to normal.

Agree with Czar the amount of people now appearing around Mutley half dressed in exercise kit is pure gold. Dogs are dying on their feet being walked 64 times a day

Another rag reporting vaccine by September
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Now the tongues are starting to wags with the leaks from Ministers according to Sky on length of lockdowns
The population will rebel here. I'm lucky work from home and back garden facing south sit on patio and work. Even I though am going stir crazy now
People will start rebelling here if this goes on for months and months as has just been said
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PostSubject: Re: Coronavirus and Football   Coronavirus and Football - Page 14 EmptySat Apr 11, 2020 8:31 am

More than anything, peoples mentality needs to change. And quickly.

All the inconveniences of lockdown, social and economic, pales into insignificance when compared to the alternative, with no lockdown. Amazingly, there are still people who think this will all be over in a couple of months. I can see people being allowed to return to work by then if they are able to do so safely. But any type of social normality - pubs, restaurants, any type of sporting crowd, event or gathering will be impossible - prior to a vaccine being rolled out.

It's a very simple and basic premise. While the virus is out there and there is no vaccine, our lives change indefinitely. People need to get their heads around that.
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PostSubject: Re: Coronavirus and Football   Coronavirus and Football - Page 14 EmptySat Apr 11, 2020 9:02 am

In the end the long term economic and social armageddon that will result from much more of this lockdown will far outweigh the danger posed by this virus. Once one country goes back to 'normal' the rest will soon follow not wanting to be left behind. Incredible amount of urgent research into drugs to treat the symptoms of the disease are going on which will not long be rolled out followed by a vaccine down the road. Like it or not this lockdown's days are seriously numbered.
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PostSubject: Re: Coronavirus and Football   Coronavirus and Football - Page 14 EmptySat Apr 11, 2020 11:09 am

Czarcasm wrote:
Hugh Watt wrote:
Punchdrunk wrote:
Angry wrote:
Graiser wrote:
More people and traffic around Mutley Plain this morning, some just don’t get it, or they might !!

i dont want it but i think total lockdown needs to be enforced soon as some especially in this weather are testing the waters too often now and its making a mockery of it all when its not being down as a fad but a vital act to keep people safe and not to overkill the nhs.

today ive seen f u c k ers in caravans travelling to cornwall why hasnt this been stopped physically rather than asking holiday makers verbally.

The thing is a total lockdown will be alomst impossible to implement. People still need food and provisions, other people need to look after vulnerable etc, most of us need excersice. It's all well and good saying total lockdown but most of the people who I speak to struggle to explain how it would actually work.

Agreed. It’s bizarre people demanding it. But also it’s piss poor optics the govt banning exercise before they ban booze and fags, secondly people need to exercise otherwise you’re creating another pRoblem for the nhs

I’m really quite surprised at your take on this Hugh because you don’t ever give me the impression you’re thick as shit.

Ireland are talking about banning ‘exercise’ and it’s for a very good reason. That reason isn’t because they want to ban exercise. It’s because there are way too many people on the feckin streets under the guise of ‘exercise’. People are blatantly taking the piss. It isn’t even happening down here anywhere like on the scale of the big urban populations, but the reason ‘exercise’ will be banned is because quite simply it takes out if the equation an individual’s excuse for being out.

I hope they do ban it for a month. Then I hope England follows suit.  

The exercise excuse is complete and total bollocks for the vast majority of the country. You can feckin exercise perfectly well at home. You can get your heartbeat up by doing step aerobics using the first step on your feckin stairs. It isn’t feckin essential to go on a 5k every other day. But people’s outlook is....’they haven’t banned it, I’m off out’

Again for reference we’re very lucky here at the minute. As far as critical care goes we are only a tad over 50% at Derriford. Things can change quickly though. Exeter isn’t far away, and they are in the shit and will be getting one of the emergency Nightingale hospitals in the next couple of weeks.

I go on my bike, it’s quite obvious who is genuinely exercising and who is taking the piss. I don’t see much of that on where I live people are by and large observing the advice.

I’m at a state where If I get through unscathed I don’t even know if I’ll have a job to go to, how I’ll support my family etc. An hour out the house on my bike or a run does wonders for my state Of mind and this total lockdown, does it include people in abuse situations? How do you indentify key workers?


The far bigger picture is tardiness of the government putting this lockdown into place at least 2 weeks too late, failing to provide PPE to NHS staff and a total failure to implement a testing regime. All this is far more deadly than a few dimwits ignoring t(e advice, the police now have powers to implement on the spot fines so let’s see them used.

I’m not surprised it gets missed as apparently Boris Johnson sitting up in bed is bigger news than the death rate rising to 1000 a day.

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PostSubject: Re: Coronavirus and Football   Coronavirus and Football - Page 14 EmptySat Apr 11, 2020 11:22 am

260 quid a year to have membership of the new continental hotel gym and it’s facilities that’s been shut for weeks now. I do 2 long runs a week to keep on top of my fitness, used to do it always before the virus and still doing it now.
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PostSubject: Re: Coronavirus and Football   Coronavirus and Football - Page 14 EmptySat Apr 11, 2020 11:35 am

Not to mention the half arsed manner in which lockdown was implemented. First of all it wasn’t, then there was advice not to go to pubs but advising pubs to close. Then there was lockdown itself which introduced very reluctantly, words he actually used we’re “ the edict clashes with “the inalienable free-born right of people born in England to go to the pub.”

So if people aren’t following advice maybe at the people doing the advising first
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PostSubject: Re: Coronavirus and Football   Coronavirus and Football - Page 14 EmptySat Apr 11, 2020 12:19 pm

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Not to mention the half arsed manner in which lockdown was implemented. First of all it wasn’t, then there was advice not to go to pubs but advising pubs to close. Then there was lockdown itself which introduced very reluctantly, words he actually used we’re “ the edict clashes with “the inalienable free-born right of people born in England to go to the pub.”  

So if people aren’t following advice maybe at the people doing the advising first

That's where the damage was done especially in London, everywhere else Sri Lanka and India included imposed it with literally four hours notice.
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PostSubject: Re: Coronavirus and Football   Coronavirus and Football - Page 14 EmptySat Apr 11, 2020 12:24 pm

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In the end the long term economic and social armageddon that will result from much more of this lockdown will far outweigh the danger posed by this virus.  Once one country goes back to 'normal' the rest will soon follow not wanting to be left behind.  Incredible amount of urgent research into drugs to treat the symptoms of the disease are going on which will not long be rolled out followed by a vaccine down the road. Like it or not this lockdown's days are seriously numbered.

I don't think a vaccine will be ready in time. The way to get back to normal gradually would rely on testing. Germany had testing from the start and their outbreak is quite controlled the trouble is it would take us about two years to get the kit we need. This country is run by overpaid fookin cretins.
Funnily enough my missus just got off the phone to her brother who works at Derriford, she asked him if he'd been tested as we'd seen the big testing area they've installed there. He said no its empty and they have to wait to get invited to get tested. I despair.
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PostSubject: Re: Coronavirus and Football   Coronavirus and Football - Page 14 EmptySat Apr 11, 2020 1:03 pm

Hugh Watt wrote:
Not to mention the half arsed manner in which lockdown was implemented. First of all it wasn’t, then there was advice not to go to pubs but advising pubs to close. Then there was lockdown itself which introduced very reluctantly, words he actually used we’re “ the edict clashes with “the inalienable free-born right of people born in England to go to the pub.”  

So if people aren’t following advice maybe at the people doing the advising first

There’ll be failings no doubt. Of course there will be.

But even the Labour Party bigwigs realise that here and now there are more important things to deal with than going on a political point scoring mission.

As it goes, if you think it’s bad now I shudder to think what sort of state we’d be in if the circus that was Corbyn/McDonnell/Abbot (lol) were actually making decisions.
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So you’re excusing gross institutional negligence, waving it away as consequential and describe calling it out is ‘political point scoring’ .

As for the whataboutery, I can’t quite envisage a situation worse than 1000 people dying a day. however I would have have thought despite their faults Corbyn et al would have at least got PPE for NHS staff and a testing regime. They might have have taken it seriously rather than try and fight it with slogans and knockabout buffoonery.
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You’re right Hugh. What we need right now is anti-Tory protests on the streets.

Geez.
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At the end of the day it doesn't matter what the Government response to this has been, the anti Tory/ Corbyn loving media etc will still be slagging them off. Corbyn couldn't sort out the anti Semitism that was as plain as the nose on his face or come to decision over Brexit let alone this. If he was in charge we really would be fecked.

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PostSubject: Re: Coronavirus and Football   Coronavirus and Football - Page 14 EmptySat Apr 11, 2020 3:25 pm

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So you’re excusing gross institutional negligence, waving it away as consequential and   describe calling it out is ‘political point scoring’ .

As for the whataboutery, I can’t quite envisage a situation worse than 1000 people dying a day. however I would have have thought despite their faults Corbyn et al would have at least got PPE for NHS staff and a testing regime. They might have have taken it seriously rather than try and fight it with slogans and knockabout buffoonery.

Corbyn would have had his hands tied just like this lot over PPE because the fact is that in this Globalisation pro UK we have thought it fine for years to buy everything from abroad keep fook all as stocks on shelves to keep overheads down and when we have a crisis all the top ueavy management that we've got blusters about trying to make it look as though it's all fine when it's clearly not. Also you can't blame Bojo because he's only been PM for five minutes and this goes back all the way to Blair and beyond.
Sadly this has been the kick up the arse the country needs but we need to look forward not backwards.
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You’re right Hugh. What we need right now is anti-Tory protests on the streets.

Geez.

No. That’s not what I said. At all.

It needs calling out and challenging by her majesty’s opposition. (Thankfully we have one of those now) by scientists and medics.

Let’s not forget the Governments original plan was to let this rip through the population so the country could build immunity and if a few oldiewonks died too bad. Thankfully someone pointed out you’d have 500,000 dead on your hands
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PostSubject: Re: Coronavirus and Football   Coronavirus and Football - Page 14 EmptySat Apr 11, 2020 4:56 pm

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Czarcasm wrote:
You’re right Hugh. What we need right now is anti-Tory protests on the streets.

Geez.

No. That’s not what I said. At all.  

It needs calling out and challenging by her majesty’s opposition. (Thankfully we have one of those now) by scientists and medics.  

Let’s not forget the Governments original plan was to let this rip through the population so the country could build immunity and if a few oldiewonks died too bad. Thankfully someone pointed out you’d have 500,000 dead on your hands

Is all they are able to do with the lockdown is try and keep the NHS from collapsing. Derriford is running at fifty per cent capacity, London and Midlands must already be full capacity. Without lockdown we'd have people dying in corridors.
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Sweden are the only country not in lockdown, when it’s all over it’ll be interesting to see which countries got it right
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More people and traffic around Mutley Plain this morning, some just don’t get it, or they might !!

i dont want it but i think total lockdown needs to be enforced soon as some especially in this weather are testing the waters too often now and its making a mockery of it all when its not being down as a fad but a vital act to keep people safe and not to overkill the nhs.

today ive seen f u c k ers in caravans travelling to cornwall why hasnt this been stopped physically rather than asking holiday makers verbally.

The thing is a total lockdown will be alomst impossible to implement. People still need food and provisions, other people need to look after vulnerable etc, most of us need excersice. It's all well and good saying total lockdown but most of the people who I speak to struggle to explain how it would actually work.

essential workers would still be allowed to tend to vulnerable people and such so that wouldnt change but the exercise reason is becoming the loop hole thats being exploited too much and thats what the powers that be need to stamp down on. We don't need to get tougher with police presence or heavier fines as the majority are keeping to the rules but a few are going to ruin it thinking they are special and they dont have too do it. They say the police are moving groups of people on but im yet to see them actually do it in central park where groups of friends are playing football up there this afternoon. self isolation is to protect as many people as possible by limiting the number of people who could catch it and pass it on. if some wont do that then the death total will rise pass 20,000 minimum predicted and we are half way there now.
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Angry wrote:
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Angry wrote:
Graiser wrote:
More people and traffic around Mutley Plain this morning, some just don’t get it, or they might !!

i dont want it but i think total lockdown needs to be enforced soon as some especially in this weather are testing the waters too often now and its making a mockery of it all when its not being down as a fad but a vital act to keep people safe and not to overkill the nhs.

today ive seen f u c k ers in caravans travelling to cornwall why hasnt this been stopped physically rather than asking holiday makers verbally.

The thing is a total lockdown will be alomst impossible to implement. People still need food and provisions, other people need to look after vulnerable etc, most of us need excersice. It's all well and good saying total lockdown but most of the people who I speak to struggle to explain how it would actually work.

essential workers would still be allowed to tend to vulnerable people and such so that wouldnt change but the exercise reason is becoming the loop hole thats being exploited too much and thats what the powers that be need to stamp down on. We don't need to get tougher with police presence or heavier fines as the majority are keeping to the rules but a few are going to ruin it thinking they are special and they dont have too do it. They say the police are moving groups of people on but im yet to see them actually do it in central park where groups of friends are playing football up there this afternoon.  self isolation is to protect as many people as possible by limiting the number of people who could catch it and pass it on. if some wont do that then the death total will rise pass 20,000 minimum predicted and we are half way there now.

Like iv'e already mentioned fitness has always been part of my regular regime but you've called it and others too that if people are blatently taking the piss then they are the ones who need to be thrashed not blanket punishment for a minority of assholes.

If they were playing football in groups or lounging around sunbathing (I dont doubt it btw ) then they should be asked to disperse and if they still refuse then the police should start cracking some skulls like they do in europe , it sounds harsh but there are people in this country who exploit our 'lassias faire' approach to law and order, it's gone on for too long even before coronavirus and it pisses me off.
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There’s a big difference in somebody out for a run dressed in all their running regalia than people walking along Mutley Plain chatting, on their Bleddy mobile phones etc and not shopping!
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There’s a big difference in somebody out for a run dressed in all their running regalia than people walking along Mutley Plain chatting, on their Bleddy mobile phones etc and not shopping!

or as im seeing every morning when i take my dog out 3 oldish gits meeting up in the field to chat wile letting their dogs run free dressed in the latest nike's.
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Punchdrunk wrote:
Angry wrote:
Punchdrunk wrote:
Angry wrote:
Graiser wrote:
More people and traffic around Mutley Plain this morning, some just don’t get it, or they might !!

i dont want it but i think total lockdown needs to be enforced soon as some especially in this weather are testing the waters too often now and its making a mockery of it all when its not being down as a fad but a vital act to keep people safe and not to overkill the nhs.

today ive seen f u c k ers in caravans travelling to cornwall why hasnt this been stopped physically rather than asking holiday makers verbally.

The thing is a total lockdown will be alomst impossible to implement. People still need food and provisions, other people need to look after vulnerable etc, most of us need excersice. It's all well and good saying total lockdown but most of the people who I speak to struggle to explain how it would actually work.

essential workers would still be allowed to tend to vulnerable people and such so that wouldnt change but the exercise reason is becoming the loop hole thats being exploited too much and thats what the powers that be need to stamp down on. We don't need to get tougher with police presence or heavier fines as the majority are keeping to the rules but a few are going to ruin it thinking they are special and they dont have too do it. They say the police are moving groups of people on but im yet to see them actually do it in central park where groups of friends are playing football up there this afternoon.  self isolation is to protect as many people as possible by limiting the number of people who could catch it and pass it on. if some wont do that then the death total will rise pass 20,000 minimum predicted and we are half way there now.

Like iv'e already mentioned fitness has always been part of my regular regime but you've called it and others too that if people are blatently taking the piss then they are the ones who need to be thrashed not blanket punishment for a minority of assholes.

If they were playing football in groups or lounging around sunbathing (I dont doubt it btw ) then they should be asked to disperse and if they still refuse then the police should start cracking some skulls like they do in europe , it sounds harsh but there are people in this country who exploit our 'lassias faire' approach to law and order, it's gone on for too long even before coronavirus and it pisses me off.

im of the thinking anyone sees people breaking rules to out them on social media as that seems to have more power than the police for coming down on the idiots. thesun had a video of a niurse moving a group of lads on who where having a bbq while having bikes near by.
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