Last Home Game Match Day Thread Plymouth Argyle v Crewe Alexandra

VillageGreen wrote:

One has to thank Exeter City for giving Argyle the chance to become Champions.

Cheers.

I have a sneaking suspicion you might pull it off.

Watching four games is is obviously patchy information, but from what I've seen you're a significantly better side than Doncaster - not least due to the fact that by fairly common consent you have the best player in the division. Maybe I've caught them on bad days, but the genius that is Coppinger apart I've been less impressed with their individual players than I have been with the likes of Carey, Bradley, and Threlkeld etc.

To be honest I've been deeply underwhelmed by them in general. Admittedly they beat us at SJP, but unusually even their own manager said it was a false result. By contrast I think we thoroughly deserved to beat them today.

I'm going to get dogs' abuse from the widely despised exeweb - apparently they slagged me at one point for being "a Plymouth fan" just because I post on here very occasionally. However despite past tongue-in-cheek jibes I'd have absolutely  no problem if you trumped Doncaster.

As I've argued here and elsewhere many times before (including on exeweb when I was stupid enough to waste my time posting on that pathetic lunatic asylum)  all three of us (e.g Torquay included) suffer from the perception in the football industry that Devon & Cornwall is the back of beyond. The more Devon clubs that do well and put themselves on the radar, the better off we all are. It may well turn out to be a very good thing for both of us that Torquay have got themselves out of jail.

I'd invite sceptics to consider a (probable fantasy) scenario where all three Devon clubs are battling each other in the Championship. It's surely self-evident that we would all benefit.

Strangely enough I bumped into a Torquay season-ticket holder at SJP a while back who goes to SJP and Home Park when the Turks are too far away for him to attend. Unprompted, he said exactly the same during the chat we had.

UTC! (Do I get banned for that?)

Ummmmmm

No you won't.

Thank you Exeter City!

Erm fock off Jabbs, you know fore shore we'd prefer a trip to Carlisle next season.

I went yesterday. Shockingly bad first half and clearly reminiscent of other notable terrible home 'performances' this season against bottom half sides - sitting too deep, no shots, misplaced passes, no urgency etc Argo lucky to be only one down at half time. Improved considerably after the break and after the changes. Two very well taken goals. Ended with Argo defending deep again including being forced to defend a succession of corners.

Next week going to be interesting

Freathy wrote:

I went yesterday.  Shockingly bad first half and clearly reminiscent of other notable terrible home 'performances' this season against bottom half sides - sitting too deep, no shots, misplaced passes, no urgency etc  Argo lucky to be only one down at half time. Improved considerably after the break and after the changes.  Two very well taken goals.  Ended with Argo defending deep again including being forced to defend a succession of corners.

Next week going to be interesting

Agree with all that, we were complete crap first half, but full credit to Crewe for giving it a good go.
Point is Derek, was decisive in changing things, Blissett was a revelation coming on at half time, the win was well deserved.

i left at half time as the football was complete shite and the whole dump of the ground was devoid of any atmosphere. Depressing as feck, wish i'd stayed in the pub.

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Freathy wrote:

I went yesterday

alannotivvy wrote:

i left at half time as the football was complete shite and the whole dump of the ground was devoid of any atmosphere.  Depressing as feck, wish i'd stayed in the pub.

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Argyle score two goals in the SECOND HALF and go top of the league and need one more win to be champions..... and you leave the ground at H/T......been said many times over the years.....'football is a game of two halves'.....and you chose the wrong half.

PS.....no points are given out at H/T.

zyph wrote:

alannotivvy wrote:

i left at half time as the football was complete shite and the whole dump of the ground was devoid of any atmosphere.  Depressing as feck, wish i'd stayed in the pub.

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Argyle score two goals in the SECOND HALF and go top of the league and need one more win to be champions..... and you leave the ground at H/T......been said many times over the years.....'football is a game of two halves'.....and you chose the wrong half.

PS.....no points are given out at H/T.

Talk about stating the obvious.

Anyway, yet another 3 points gained from a seemingly poor performance, how many times has that happened this season?

Top of the league with a game to go - who'd have thought it?

Lots of rumours around that this was Carey's last game at Home Park. Hope we can keep him, but we shall see. If Green Jim's austerity programme continues in L1, probably not.

PlymptonPilgrim wrote:

zyph wrote:

alannotivvy wrote:

i left at half time as the football was complete shite and the whole dump of the ground was devoid of any atmosphere.  Depressing as feck, wish i'd stayed in the pub.

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Argyle score two goals in the SECOND HALF and go top of the league and need one more win to be champions..... and you leave the ground at H/T......been said many times over the years.....'football is a game of two halves'.....and you chose the wrong half.

PS.....no points are given out at H/T.

Talk about stating the obvious.  

Anyway, yet another 3 points gained from a seemingly poor performance, how many times has that happened this season?

Top of the league with a game to go - who'd have thought it?

Lots of rumours around that this was Carey's last game at Home Park. Hope we can keep him, but we shall see. If Green Jim's austerity programme continues in L1, probably not.

Last week the apology of an owner, ducked and dived around the issue of Carey staying when droning on about it on radio Devon.
First of all he said "we hope to keep him" BUT it was up to Graham, and then it was up to Derek apparently.
Talk about being decisive, useless twat.
Where's the million pound gone? you shyster.

BRENT OUT

akagreengull wrote:

PlymptonPilgrim wrote:

zyph wrote:

alannotivvy wrote:

i left at half time as the football was complete shite and the whole dump of the ground was devoid of any atmosphere.  Depressing as feck, wish i'd stayed in the pub.

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Argyle score two goals in the SECOND HALF and go top of the league and need one more win to be champions..... and you leave the ground at H/T......been said many times over the years.....'football is a game of two halves'.....and you chose the wrong half.

PS.....no points are given out at H/T.

Talk about stating the obvious.  

Anyway, yet another 3 points gained from a seemingly poor performance, how many times has that happened this season?

Top of the league with a game to go - who'd have thought it?

Lots of rumours around that this was Carey's last game at Home Park. Hope we can keep him, but we shall see. If Green Jim's austerity programme continues in L1, probably not.

Talk about being decisive, useless twat.
Where's the million pound gone? you shyster.

BRENT OUT

Skyrocket no question

It's clear Carey is gone. Probably to another L1 club but one with a proper owner. On a brent 'budget' it will take a far bigger miracle by DA to keep Argo in L1 next season than it took to get out of L2.

WHERE'S THE MONEY GONE BRENT?

Anyone know the attendance for yesterday?

Well my spies in the Neukamp certainly saw what they expected and something they didn't expect.

First half, a carbon copy of the depressing defensive crap that masquerades as entertainment. No wonder Al headed back to Tivvy the pub at half time.
Second half, though, he brought on Blissett and basically played what any self respecting home team should do, 4-4-2 with Taylor feeding off the big guy. Two up front ! both scored. A Bannister and Warboys, a Mariner and Rafferty. It's not rocket science Del. It's supposed to be entertainment. Not too late for a young dog to learn new tricks.

Spending £23 quid odd plus sundry expenses demands some sort of entertainment. Regular viewing on a Saturday afternoon ISN'T just about results, it's a whole host of things. People can feel good about themselves just by tuning into the results at full time.
At least there may possibly now be seats back in the Mayflower to alleviate some of the depression staring fans in the face.
My long time Argyle compatriot was going to return to his normal season ticket next season. That first half changed his mind totally and he's decided to keep his brain firmly in his head.

akagreengull wrote:

Anyone know the attendance for yesterday?

13,313.

beesrus wrote:

Well my spies in the Neukamp certainly saw what they expected and something they didn't expect.

First half, a carbon copy of the depressing defensive crap that masquerades as entertainment. No wonder Al headed back to Tivvy the pub at half time.
Second half, though, he brought on Blissett and basically played what any self respecting home team should do, 4-4-2 with Taylor feeding off the big guy. Two up front ! both scored. A Bannister and Warboys, a Mariner and Rafferty. It's not rocket science Del. It's supposed to be entertainment. Not too late for a young dog to learn new tricks.

Spending £23 quid odd plus sundry expenses demands some sort of entertainment. Regular viewing on a Saturday afternoon ISN'T just about results, it's a whole host of things. People can feel good about themselves just by tuning into the results at full time.
At least there may possibly now be seats back in the Mayflower to alleviate some of the depression staring fans in the face.
My long time Argyle compatriot was going to return to his normal season ticket next season. That first half changed his mind totally and he's decided to keep his brain firmly in his head.

It IS all about results-If Argyle had a goal difference of 80-82 but were out of contention yesterday, you can be sure that the gate would have been nowhere near 13000. Just look at Stokes gates before and after Pulis took them into the premier league via binary football and long throws-for a small minority "entertainment" matters but not for the vast majority. Anyway, it isn't as simplistic as saying that playing two up front automatically changes things-Argyle played one up front against Newport and won 6-1,all of a fortnight ago. You and your mate may be romantics when it comes to football and good on you for that, but bet your bottom dollar that were Argyle to get promoted next season using similar methods then the average gate for the season would be a darned sight higher than 9000.Derek Adams wouldn't give a shit what you or anyone else thinks of his tactics and three promotions at a pretty early stage of his managerial career maybe would suggest that old dogs sometimes need to learn new tricks or at least new realities.

green_genie wrote:

akagreengull wrote:

Anyone know the attendance for yesterday?

13,313.

So despite only a taxi full of Crewe fans in attendance nothing like a capacity then.

Greenskin wrote:

beesrus wrote:

Well my spies in the Neukamp certainly saw what they expected and something they didn't expect.

First half, a carbon copy of the depressing defensive crap that masquerades as entertainment. No wonder Al headed back to Tivvy the pub at half time.
Second half, though, he brought on Blissett and basically played what any self respecting home team should do, 4-4-2 with Taylor feeding off the big guy. Two up front ! both scored. A Bannister and Warboys, a Mariner and Rafferty. It's not rocket science Del. It's supposed to be entertainment. Not too late for a young dog to learn new tricks.

Spending £23 quid odd plus sundry expenses demands some sort of entertainment. Regular viewing on a Saturday afternoon ISN'T just about results, it's a whole host of things. People can feel good about themselves just by tuning into the results at full time.
At least there may possibly now be seats back in the Mayflower to alleviate some of the depression staring fans in the face.
My long time Argyle compatriot was going to return to his normal season ticket next season. That first half changed his mind totally and he's decided to keep his brain firmly in his head.

It IS all about results-If Argyle had a goal difference of 80-82 but were out of contention yesterday, you can be sure that the gate would have been nowhere near 13000. Just look at Stokes gates before and after Pulis took them into the premier league via binary football and long throws-for a small minority "entertainment" matters but not for the vast majority. Anyway, it isn't as simplistic as saying that playing two up front automatically changes things-Argyle played one up front against Newport and won 6-1,all of a fortnight ago. You and your mate may be romantics when it comes to football and good on you for that, but bet your bottom dollar that were Argyle to get promoted next season using similar methods then the average gate for the season would be a darned sight higher than 9000.Derek Adams wouldn't give a shit what you or anyone else thinks of his tactics and three promotions at a pretty early stage of his managerial career maybe would suggest that old dogs sometimes need to learn new tricks or at least new realities.

No manager in reality gives a monkeys toss about what the fans or critics think of their tactics.
I thought fair play to Adams yesterday for ringing the changes at half time, we outplayed Crewe second half.
Bradley and blissed coming on made all the difference.

green_genie wrote:

akagreengull wrote:

Anyone know the attendance for yesterday?

13,313.

Cheers guys, next question anyone know what the official max capacity is at the theatre of dreams right now?
Thought it was about 15k.

Greenskin wrote:

IT IS all about results-If Argyle had a goal difference of 80-82 but were out of contention yesterday, you can be sure that the gate would have been nowhere near 13000. Just look at Stokes gates before and after Pulis took them into the premier league via binary football and long throws-for a small minority "entertainment" matters but not for the vast majority. Anyway, it isn't as simplistic as saying that playing two up front automatically changes things-Argyle played one up front against Newport and won 6-1,all of a fortnight ago. You and your mate may be romantics when it comes to football and good on you for that, but bet your bottom dollar that were Argyle to get promoted next season using similar methods then the average gate for the season would be a darned sight higher than 9000.Derek Adams wouldn't give a shit what you or anyone else thinks of his tactics and three promotions at a pretty early stage of his managerial career maybe would suggest that old dogs sometimes need to learn new tricks or at least new realities.

Look Skinny, I think we've already established we hold differing opinions on the quality of a product.
I'm a romantic, yes, if I get your meaning right, but I am also a realist, the two are not mutually exclusive. Enjoy your race to the bottom. Stig of the dump. I'm told Tesco have bigger attendances than anyone in the country. Enjoy the fodder. Taste buds are easily dumbed down. You've forgotten what you're missing. Try another outlet for your pleasure, you old stick in the mud.

jabba the gut ecfc wrote:

VillageGreen wrote:

One has to thank Exeter City for giving Argyle the chance to become Champions.

Cheers.

I have a sneaking suspicion you might pull it off.

Watching four games is is obviously patchy information, but from what I've seen you're a significantly better side than Doncaster - not least due to the fact that by fairly common consent you have the best player in the division. Maybe I've caught them on bad days, but the genius that is Coppinger apart I've been less impressed with their individual players than I have been with the likes of Carey, Bradley, and Threlkeld etc.

To be honest I've been deeply underwhelmed by them in general. Admittedly they beat us at SJP, but unusually even their own manager said it was a false result. By contrast I think we thoroughly deserved to beat them today.

I'm going to get dogs' abuse from the widely despised exeweb - apparently they slagged me at one point for being "a Plymouth fan" just because I post on here very occasionally. However despite past tongue-in-cheek jibes I'd have absolutely  no problem if you trumped Doncaster.

As I've argued here and elsewhere many times before (including on exeweb when I was stupid enough to waste my time posting on that pathetic lunatic asylum)  all three of us (e.g Torquay included) suffer from the perception in the football industry that Devon & Cornwall is the back of beyond. The more Devon clubs that do well and put themselves on the radar, the better off we all are. It may well turn out to be a very good thing for both of us that Torquay have got themselves out of jail.

I'd invite sceptics to consider a (probable fantasy) scenario where all three Devon clubs are battling each other in the Championship. It's surely self-evident that we would all benefit.

Strangely enough I bumped into a Torquay season-ticket holder at SJP a while back who goes to SJP and Home Park when the Turks are too far away for him to attend. Unprompted, he said exactly the same during the chat we had.

UTC! (Do I get banned for that?)

How do you think you will get on in the Play-Offs ?.

There are some good teams going for that route, I am glad Argyle have avoided them this season.