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PostSubject: AFT Chirman's Update # 11   Mon Aug 01, 2016 6:21 am

New Season / New Hope:

I don’t know about you, but after 54 years of following Argyle, I still get just as excited about the first game of a new season as when I was a little boy. Promotion as Champions, leaving us one step away from a return to the Championship seems a real possibility. OK there are seasons such as 1994-95, when we were trounced 5-1 in each of our two opening home fixtures, but there are also those magical glory years that end in promotion or contain great Cup runs. That’s why I still experience that tingle of anticipation at this time of year.

 

AFT Open Meeting for Fans:

The Argyle Fans’ Trust will be holding an open meeting for all members and other interested Greens to discuss the outcome of the close season survey and help determine the Trust’s future direction. This will take place immediately after the home game against Cambridge Utd at 5 pm on Saturday 10th September – venue tba. Please come along and share your views as, with over 1,000 members, we need to let the Club know what our aspirations for the future are.

 

Questions and Answers:

This season the AFT would like to broaden its dialogue with the Club. Rather than rely on monthly meetings with the CEO, we want to facilitate more direct interaction with fans. So we are inviting members to direct questions via our website, our article in the match day programme, the AFT fanzine ‘the Grass Is Greener’, our fortnightly Herald column or indeed direct to Martyn.Starnes@pafc.co.uk  

 

African Youth Players:

We have received an appeal for help to enable 10 promising under-16 African footballers to benefit from working with Kevin Hodges’ Youth Academy and Marjons. Five are Kenyans from Martin Atenio's youth project in London and five are Ghanaians from Tokaradi /Secondo supported by Cate Taynton of the official Plymouth-Ghana Link.

Plymouth Citybus will provide free bus passes and Plymouth University have offered accommodation at £100 per player per week. Marjons’ fitness evaluation testing and Knight Scientific's testing will also help the boys.     

If you would like to help sponsor one of these young footballers, it would be great for them and maybe, in the long term, Argyle.

 

Annual Survey of Fans:

The Argyle Fans’ Trust are delighted that this year’s Annual Survey has elicited a record response from 1,135 fans. While there is a similar response to previous years in most cases, there are nevertheless some interesting changes to note.

The AFT played a key role in the discussions on this season’s kit and it is pleasing to see that the new designs have been so favourably welcomed. We are similarly pleased that Derek Adams and the first team scored so highly, despite the playoff failure.

While there are some good improvements in several areas of the Club operation, such as marketing, communication, the shop and social media, our fans’ view of our stewards has seen a  further decline. Refreshment provision has improved slightly, but from a very low base.

Views on the Argyle Fans’ Trust, the Green Taverners and other supporter groups remain consistently positive.

The most interesting result is perhaps on the freehold question, with 50% of respondents wanting the Board to take up its option to purchase the freehold of Home Park from Plymouth City Council. The AFT have consistently issued the statement:


“A sale to James Brent may not alarm most supporters, but once the stadium is out of public hands, there is no guarantee who may eventually become the owner, what their plans for the stadium may be, or how much they might charge the club for its use”.

Our aim is to ensure there will always be a football club for future Argyle fans to support. The AFT therefore remains committed to the current status of the land and buildings at Home Park as an Asset of Community Value.

 

Bob Foale   (AFT Chairman)
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PostSubject: Re: AFT Chirman's Update # 11   Tue Aug 02, 2016 4:01 am

Cheers Bob.

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PostSubject: Re: AFT Chirman's Update # 11   Tue Aug 02, 2016 8:24 am

Thanks for the early heads up about the open fans meeting, and well done on putting it after the game. If only you can convince the club to do likewise with any fans forums this season too!
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PostSubject: Re: AFT Chirman's Update # 11   Thu Aug 04, 2016 5:43 am

Sadly BBC 1 for the last two years they have steadfastly refused to consider that option. I will of course ask again this year.
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PostSubject: Re: AFT Chirman's Update # 11   Thu Aug 04, 2016 6:35 am

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Sadly BBC 1 for the last two years they have steadfastly refused to consider that option. I will of course ask again this year.

Which kinda say's it all really....
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PostSubject: Re: AFT Chirman's Update # 11   Thu Aug 04, 2016 6:39 am

Hey Bob,

Whilst you're here...

What have your conversations with the GT's revealed about why the planning permission for the replacement for the Far Post club is proving so difficult?

What is the state of play now?
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PostSubject: Re: AFT Chirman's Update # 11   Thu Aug 04, 2016 7:30 am

Camelford Green not too impressed;

http://www.pasoti.co.uk/talk/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=95605

Is CG the Reverend Jim Benton Evans?
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PostSubject: Re: AFT Chirman's Update # 11   Thu Aug 04, 2016 8:02 am

I have had no conversations with the GT's Rickler. From day one the AFT offered to run with the idea of a replacement Far Post Club. The club declined our offer and instead entrusted the GTs with this project. When the AFT questioned the progress on this initiative we were originally told that a planning application had been made. This turned out to be false information and as far as we are aware no successful application has yet to be made.
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PostSubject: Re: AFT Chirman's Update # 11   Thu Aug 04, 2016 8:22 am

Greenskin wrote:
Camelford Green not too impressed;

http://www.pasoti.co.uk/talk/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=95605

Is CG the Reverend Jim Benton Evans?
Member 002 throwing toys out the pram!
How about the club provide some proper and timely answers to the AFT questions put from us members?
As you may know, I've not renewed my season ticket this year and am not sure on which matches i'll be attending yet. but with the announcement, with plenty of notice, of this open meeting, Cambridge could well be one of them!
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PostSubject: Re: AFT Chirman's Update # 11   Thu Aug 04, 2016 8:33 am

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I have had no conversations with the GT's Rickler. From day one the AFT offered to run with the idea of a replacement Far Post Club. The club declined our offer and instead entrusted the GTs with this project. When the AFT questioned the progress on this initiative we were originally told that a planning application had been made. This turned out to be false information and as far as we are aware no successful application has yet to be made.

But Bob...  

No conversation with the GT's?  Why not?  Surely you know by now that you can't trust everything PAFC tell you!  Why wouldn't you get their side of the events?

Talking of talking to the GT's

argyledad wrote:
.... My first year as chair was interesting in finding out who we could work with effectively and who we could trust. And yes mistakes were made, from which I and the rest of the Board will learn. I can only reaffirm that the AFT is NOT a fund raising supporters club for PAFC and / or James Brent. Meanwhile I have initiated some enquiries into whether the club owe the GTs any money and, if so, how much.

So how are those talks going?  What did the club and the GT's say?  Did their stories match?  Who is paying the tax liability? Etc, etc...

I look forward to the answers.

Thanks for your time and effort.


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PostSubject: Re: AFT Chirman's Update # 11   Thu Aug 04, 2016 8:34 am

It will be good to meet with you BBC1
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PostSubject: Re: AFT Chirman's Update # 11   Thu Aug 04, 2016 5:37 pm

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It will be good to meet with you BBC1
We have already met a couple of times, all be it briefly.
Once seen never forgotten I can assure you. flower
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PostSubject: Re: AFT Chirman's Update # 11   Thu Aug 04, 2016 5:40 pm

Oh dear, just checked the date.
I'll be at the Little Cider and Music Festival at Healeys cider farm.
Another day then Bob, sorry. Rock
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PostSubject: Re: AFT Chirman's Update # 11   Thu Aug 04, 2016 6:00 pm

Bob, why won't you speak to the GTs? You claim that you learnt lessons from the Facade debacle. Surely "lack of communication" was one of those lessons?
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PostSubject: Re: AFT Chirman's Update # 11   Thu Aug 04, 2016 6:50 pm

This has got to be the lamest excuse I've ever read. Apparently its perfectly acceptable for what should be a supporters lobby group to take 2 months off and do nothing to further its work.

"the AFT Board, in common with many other bodies, take time out over the Summer."

If they aren't going to respond to fans then they need to consider their positions, the lack of consultation over the EFL is appalling.

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PostSubject: Re: AFT Chirman's Update # 11   Thu Aug 04, 2016 8:32 pm

How quickly we forget. During the summer break / close season the AFT have worked with John Lloyd to undertake the most comprehensive consultation ever held regarding our club. To quote John: "With a 24% increase in participation and a record 1135 respondents this year, the Close Season Survey continues to be the largest independently sourced sample of the Green Army's views on all things Argyle".
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PostSubject: Re: AFT Chirman's Update # 11   Thu Aug 04, 2016 8:41 pm

I don't think you can really take credit for the survey Bob. If I remember correctly your main contribution was lying to us about Pasoti refusing to host a link to the survey. It was only when an email was leaked on ATD did something actually happen and Newell backed down.
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PostSubject: Re: AFT Chirman's Update # 11   Thu Aug 04, 2016 8:59 pm

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How quickly we forget. During the summer break / close season the AFT have worked with John Lloyd to undertake the most comprehensive consultation ever held regarding our club. To quote John: "With a 24% increase in participation and a record 1135 respondents this year, the Close Season Survey continues to be the largest independently sourced sample of the Green Army's views on all things Argyle".

You'll have to explain "worked with John Lloyd" better. What did you actually do?

Even so, doesn't excuse the shocking lack of response to the EFL trophy when other club supporters were registering their disgust. Nor your feeble refusal to stand up to the GT's and club regarding the lack of a supporter bar.

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PostSubject: Re: AFT Chirman's Update # 11   Thu Aug 04, 2016 11:38 pm

BBC1 wrote:
Greenskin wrote:
Camelford Green not too impressed;

http://www.pasoti.co.uk/talk/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=95605

Is CG the Reverend Jim Benton Evans?
Member 002 throwing toys out the pram!
How about the club provide some proper and timely answers to the AFT questions put from us members?
As you may know, I've not renewed my season ticket this year and am not sure on which matches i'll be attending yet. but with the announcement, with plenty of notice, of this open meeting, Cambridge could well be one of them!
Hmmm according to Graham, 002 was a former Trust Chairman, back in the very early days.
He then goes on to report on some other interesting stuff, particularly regarding those poppy shirts.
Hmmm popcorn
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PostSubject: Re: AFT Chirman's Update # 11   Fri Aug 05, 2016 12:02 am

BBC1 wrote:
BBC1 wrote:
Greenskin wrote:
Camelford Green not too impressed;

http://www.pasoti.co.uk/talk/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=95605

Is CG the Reverend Jim Benton Evans?
Member 002 throwing toys out the pram!
How about the club provide some proper and timely answers to the AFT questions put from us members?
As you may know, I've not renewed my season ticket this year and am not sure on which matches i'll be attending yet. but with the announcement, with plenty of notice, of this open meeting, Cambridge could well be one of them!
Hmmm according to Graham,  002 was a former Trust Chairman, back in the very early days.
He then goes on to report on some other interesting stuff, particularly regarding those poppy shirts.
Hmmm popcorn

And Argyledad goes on to claim that the Poppy sponsorship saddled the current AFT board with a debt that was incurred by the previous board. That's simply not true. The costs of the RBL sponsorship were underwritten by individual Trust members, who knew the risks involved; there should never have been any debt incurred by the AFT.
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PostSubject: Re: AFT Chirman's Update # 11   Fri Aug 05, 2016 12:03 am

argyledad wrote:
How quickly we forget. During the summer break / close season the AFT have worked with John Lloyd to undertake the most comprehensive consultation ever held regarding our club. To quote John: "With a 24% increase in participation and a record 1135 respondents this year, the Close Season Survey continues to be the largest independently sourced sample of the Green Army's views on all things Argyle".

As a percentage, how much work did you do on this, and how much was down to John?
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PostSubject: Re: AFT Chirman's Update # 11   Fri Aug 05, 2016 12:19 am

To quote Pat Dunne (me) 'The close season survey continues to be the largest yet ignored example of the Green Army's views on all things Argyle'

Year after year, same complaints, club action - nil.
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PostSubject: Re: AFT Chirman's Update # 11   Fri Aug 05, 2016 12:46 am

I'm still staggered that the club, with its connections to the armed forces, would take money from a Trust to promote a charity.

Shameful.
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PostSubject: Re: AFT Chirman's Update # 11   Fri Aug 05, 2016 12:56 am

Hello Argyle Dad.

Are you in a position to give us an update on current membership numbers at all split between full paying adults and children please? and how this compares against 2015?

I'm aware that you're not the membership secretary but as Chair I'm guessing you have access to that information.
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PostSubject: Re: AFT Chirman's Update # 11   Fri Aug 05, 2016 1:04 am

Homeslice wrote:
BBC1 wrote:
BBC1 wrote:
Greenskin wrote:
Camelford Green not too impressed;

http://www.pasoti.co.uk/talk/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=95605

Is CG the Reverend Jim Benton Evans?
Member 002 throwing toys out the pram!
How about the club provide some proper and timely answers to the AFT questions put from us members?
As you may know, I've not renewed my season ticket this year and am not sure on which matches i'll be attending yet. but with the announcement, with plenty of notice, of this open meeting, Cambridge could well be one of them!
Hmmm according to Graham,  002 was a former Trust Chairman, back in the very early days.
He then goes on to report on some other interesting stuff, particularly regarding those poppy shirts.
Hmmm popcorn

And Argyledad goes on to claim that the Poppy sponsorship saddled the current AFT board with a debt that was incurred by the previous board. That's simply not true. The costs of the RBL sponsorship were underwritten by individual Trust members, who knew the risks involved; there should never have been any debt incurred by the AFT.

With the financial incompetence shown by the AFT during the Facade debacle, this little nugget makes you wonder if they have a clue what they are doing.
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