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PostSubject: North Korea seems to want a second referendum    Sun 26 Jun - 11:38

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PostSubject: Re: North Korea seems to want a second referendum    Sun 26 Jun - 12:10

Indeed. Total mess, we voted out. Get on with it.
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PostSubject: Re: North Korea seems to want a second referendum    Sun 26 Jun - 13:07

But it's not the result I wanted Sulk I demand another chance Sulk
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PostSubject: Re: North Korea seems to want a second referendum    Sun 26 Jun - 13:18

Where's Franzi with his pie chart showing how unfair it all is?
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PostSubject: Re: North Korea seems to want a second referendum    Sun 26 Jun - 13:22

Les Miserable wrote:
But it's not the result I wanted Sulk I demand another chance Sulk


That's what I said at Wembley last month....but nothing changed.....so unfair.
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PostSubject: Re: North Korea seems to want a second referendum    Sun 26 Jun - 16:02

Petition just been show to be BS. 90% of signatures have been generated by 4chan and Anonymous' bot network lol...
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PostSubject: Re: North Korea seems to want a second referendum    Sun 26 Jun - 20:47

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Where's Franzi with his pie chart showing how unfair it all is?

Will this do?

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PostSubject: Re: North Korea seems to want a second referendum    Sun 26 Jun - 20:53

Perhaps Farage was just predicting the whinging and wailing of the sore loser remainers?
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PostSubject: Re: North Korea seems to want a second referendum    Sun 26 Jun - 21:00

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Perhaps Farage was just predicting the whinging and wailing of the sore loser remainers?
No, he was saying that he'd demand a second referendum if the vote was that close. Can't link to it but I saw the interview. I'm sure it'll be on t'internet somewhere.
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PostSubject: Re: North Korea seems to want a second referendum    Sun 26 Jun - 21:03

Just joking, Homeslice...
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PostSubject: Re: North Korea seems to want a second referendum    Sun 26 Jun - 21:04

Utterly laughable petition anyway.72% is higher than any General Election turn out since 1992.Lets have a petition to revoke the Blair/Brown/Cameron years, they didn't happen! What would be an appropriate percentage-73%? 86%? Or compulsory voting? Those petitions are an absolute waste of time and a sop to "open government". Load of meaningless crap.
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PostSubject: Re: North Korea seems to want a second referendum    Sun 26 Jun - 21:54

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Utterly laughable petition anyway.72% is higher than any General Election turn out since 1992.Lets have a petition to revoke the Blair/Brown/Cameron years, they didn't happen! What would be an appropriate percentage-73%? 86%? Or compulsory voting? Those petitions are an absolute waste of time and a sop to "open government". Load of meaningless crap.

Leave won 52% of 72% which is only 37%.

What is the threshold before a union can call a strike? Isn't it 50%?

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PostSubject: Re: North Korea seems to want a second referendum    Sun 26 Jun - 21:57

Compulsary voting and politics taught in schools voting age reduced to 16.
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PostSubject: Re: North Korea seems to want a second referendum    Sun 26 Jun - 22:01

Remain won 48% of 72% which is only 34%.

What has calling a strike got to do with the referendum?

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PostSubject: Re: North Korea seems to want a second referendum    Sun 26 Jun - 22:14

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Remain won 48% of 72% which is only 34%.

What has calling a strike got to do with the referendum?



laugh No idea mate. Maybe it's something to do with Venus being in conjunction with Jupiter or whether or not the Pakistani women cricket team shave their minges, sorry I just can't stop laughing. laugh
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PostSubject: Re: North Korea seems to want a second referendum    Sun 26 Jun - 22:27

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mouldyoldgoat wrote:
Remain won 48% of 72% which is only 34%.

What has calling a strike got to do with the referendum?



laugh No idea mate. Maybe it's something to do with Venus being in conjunction with Jupiter or whether or not the Pakistani women cricket team shave their minges, sorry I just can't stop laughing. laugh

As for the reasoning it goes something like for a decision as momentous as calling a one day strike there has to be a clear majority in favour of it amongst the union membership or else calling a strike is illegal.

This is the position strongly supported by senior Tory figures such as Gove and Johnson.

It beggars belief that Cameron did not include such a clause in his Referendum Act but, then again, I always thought he was incompetent and useless and current events would support that opinion.
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PostSubject: Re: North Korea seems to want a second referendum    Sun 26 Jun - 22:38

So when the referendum bill was debated why didn't Conservatives, Labour, Lib Dems or any other party ask for it to be put in?

My theory?

Because they are all so out of touch with the British public with their snouts in the parliamentary and eu trough that it didn't occur to them for one second that the majority of people would vote to leave.

So that makes them all incompetent, useless and in it for themselves.

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PostSubject: Re: North Korea seems to want a second referendum    Sun 26 Jun - 22:50

Sir Francis Drake wrote:
Amsterdamage wrote:
Where's Franzi with his pie chart showing how unfair it all is?

Will this do?


No wrong on several points, first it's not a pie chart, second he's a wanker who doesn't represent me, I've never voted for him or his party, he wasn't even part of the leave campaign officially and I think he did more damage to leave than anybody else. Other than that like the racism issue it's you that obsessed with Farage than anybody I know. You Gaurdian readers give him more publicity than anybody.
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PostSubject: Re: North Korea seems to want a second referendum    Sun 26 Jun - 22:52

Apart from that if the result had gone the other way would have have happily give Farage his wish?
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PostSubject: Re: North Korea seems to want a second referendum    Sun 26 Jun - 23:02

Sir Francis Drake wrote:
Greenskin wrote:
mouldyoldgoat wrote:
Remain won 48% of 72% which is only 34%.

What has calling a strike got to do with the referendum?



laugh No idea mate. Maybe it's something to do with Venus being in conjunction with Jupiter or whether or not the Pakistani women cricket team shave their minges, sorry I just can't stop laughing. laugh

As for the reasoning it goes something like for a decision as momentous as calling a one day strike there has to be a clear majority in favour of it amongst the union membership or else calling a strike is illegal.

This is the position strongly supported by senior Tory figures such as Gove and Johnson.

It beggars belief that Cameron did not include such a clause in his Referendum Act but, then again, I always thought he was incompetent and useless and current events would support that opinion.

And of course you would have used the same logic if Remain had won. As a matter of interest did you raise these points prior to the referendum?

Far more important IMHO is that if a referendum is called in future [and by definition a one off plebiscite must be for an issue of some magnitude] then the outcome must automatically be accepted and enshrined in statute by parliament, no matter what the verdict-there is absolutely no point in calling a referendum in the first place if the result is not acted upon according to the wishes of a majority and which has a democratic mandate via a manifesto pledge and subsequent election of the party concerned. Should this vote somehow not be accepted or overturned [which I don't believe will be the case] then democracy will have taken a severe blow, the appropriate action would ensure that any doubt will be removed should similar circumstances prevail in future.
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PostSubject: Re: North Korea seems to want a second referendum    Sun 26 Jun - 23:12

The legal status of the referendum is that it is advisory.

Boris: "...we [Leavers] who agreed with this majority verdict must accept that it was not entirely overwhelming..."

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PostSubject: Re: North Korea seems to want a second referendum    Sun 26 Jun - 23:38

Sir Francis Drake wrote:
The legal status of the referendum is that it is advisory.

Boris: "...we [Leavers] who agreed with this majority verdict must accept that it was not entirely overwhelming..."

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The government would not dare go against the wishes of the majority who voted out in a democratic referendum that they offered the people that was part of their own manifesto that got them into power in the first place.

Otherwise why bother holding it in the first place, why waste millions and millions of pounds campaigning on both sides if they were just going to ignore the outcome.
Plus if they ignore the results of this referendum and bow to the wishes of the minority because they signed a petition online and post memes on social media and give them another referendum and they lose again do they get a 3rd? or what happens of they scrape it and win would it not be seen as highly corrupt if they choose to go with that result and not the first referendum because it the answer they want? do vote out get another referendum because they dont like losing?
Democracy doesnt work like that.
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PostSubject: Re: North Korea seems to want a second referendum    Sun 26 Jun - 23:49

Angry wrote:
Sir Francis Drake wrote:
The legal status of the referendum is that it is advisory.

Boris: "...we [Leavers] who agreed with this majority verdict must accept that it was not entirely overwhelming..."

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The government would not dare go against the wishes of the majority who voted out in a democratic referendum that they offered the people that was part of their own manifesto that got them into power in the first place.

Otherwise why bother holding it in the first place, why waste millions and millions of pounds campaigning on both sides if they were just going to ignore the outcome.
Plus if they ignore the results of this referendum and bow to the wishes of the minority because they signed a petition online and post memes  on social media and give them another referendum and they lose again do they get a 3rd? or what happens of they scrape it and win would it not be seen as highly corrupt if they choose to go with that result and not the first referendum  because it the answer they want? do vote out get another referendum because they dont like losing?
Democracy doesnt work like that.

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PostSubject: Re: North Korea seems to want a second referendum    Sun 26 Jun - 23:50

At the end of the day both the PM and the leader of the opposition have said the result stands. The eu has said there is no going back.

We are on track to leave the eu.

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PostSubject: Re: North Korea seems to want a second referendum    Sun 26 Jun - 23:54

Greenskin wrote:
Sir Francis Drake wrote:
Greenskin wrote:
mouldyoldgoat wrote:
Remain won 48% of 72% which is only 34%.

What has calling a strike got to do with the referendum?



laugh No idea mate. Maybe it's something to do with Venus being in conjunction with Jupiter or whether or not the Pakistani women cricket team shave their minges, sorry I just can't stop laughing. laugh

As for the reasoning it goes something like for a decision as momentous as calling a one day strike there has to be a clear majority in favour of it amongst the union membership or else calling a strike is illegal.

This is the position strongly supported by senior Tory figures such as Gove and Johnson.

It beggars belief that Cameron did not include such a clause in his Referendum Act but, then again, I always thought he was incompetent and useless and current events would support that opinion.

And of course you would have used the same logic if Remain had won. As a matter of interest did you raise these points prior to the referendum?

Far more important IMHO is that if a referendum is called in future [and by definition a one off plebiscite must be for an issue of some magnitude] then the outcome must automatically be accepted and enshrined in statute by parliament, no matter what the verdict-there is absolutely no point in calling a referendum in the first place if the result is not acted upon according to the wishes of a majority and which has a democratic mandate via a manifesto pledge and subsequent election of the party concerned. Should this vote somehow not be accepted or overturned [which I don't believe will be the case] then democracy will have taken a severe blow, the appropriate action would ensure that any doubt will be removed should similar circumstances prevail in future.

Maybe this will help:

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