The Soldier's Murder in Woolwich/Racism debate

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A man killed believed to be a serving soldier (how they can tell that by a help the heroes t-shirt) and two others shot

poltically motivated islamic act this being classed as. not good if it is.

It's a feckin nightmare isnt it? Hope we don't bomb another country in retribution, the actions of a handful of people can have huge repercussions worldwide. Sad news.

Iggy wrote:

It's a feckin nightmare isnt it? Hope we don't bomb another country in retribution, the actions of a handful of people can have huge repercussions worldwide. Sad news.

They havent even confirmed anything and already the edl are "rallying the troops"

whatever happend to wait for the facts before acting?

Eyewitnesses report they were stood in the street for 20 minutes after the killing shouting "Allah achbar" and trying to get people to film them. It is being treated as a terrorist incident by Downing street.
We can wait for the facts, the facts are that these 2 pieces of shit if they survive will more then likely get away with a lighter sentence by claiming some form of allegiance to their crack-pot Islamic ideals.

just watched the video its not pretty and some extracts were just shown on itv news. not pretty.

Link?

punchdrunk wrote:

Eyewitnesses report they were stood in the street for 20 minutes after the killing shouting "Allah achbar" and trying to get people to film them. It is being treated as a terrorist incident by Downing street.
We can wait for the facts, the facts are that these 2 pieces of shit if they survive will more then likely get away with a lighter sentence by claiming some form of allegiance to their crack-pot Islamic ideals.

Kill the fuckers, time for pussying around has stopped. feck Islam and feck it good

The Red Star wrote:

punchdrunk wrote:

Eyewitnesses report they were stood in the street for 20 minutes after the killing shouting "Allah achbar" and trying to get people to film them. It is being treated as a terrorist incident by Downing street.
We can wait for the facts, the facts are that these 2 pieces of shit if they survive will more then likely get away with a lighter sentence by claiming some form of allegiance to their crack-pot Islamic ideals.

Kill the fuckers, time for pussying around has stopped. feck Islam and feck it good

Wouldn't quite word it like that but clearly something has to happen.

The Red Star wrote:

punchdrunk wrote:

Eyewitnesses report they were stood in the street for 20 minutes after the killing shouting "Allah achbar" and trying to get people to film them. It is being treated as a terrorist incident by Downing street.
We can wait for the facts, the facts are that these 2 pieces of shit if they survive will more then likely get away with a lighter sentence by claiming some form of allegiance to their crack-pot Islamic ideals.

Kill the fuckers, time for pussying around has stopped. feck Islam and feck it good

yeah because all muslims are terrorists arent they!

Agree it's time to stop being so soft on dispicable animals like this, hang the bastards publicly. It may well be a bit dickensian but when guilt is indefensible and the crime so heinous why should they spend their days in a warm cell, telly, food, education if wanted and free medical care when normal good people struggle to get some of those basic needs.

Im truely shocked. totally shocked.

It apprarently took 20 minutes for "Armed Police" to arrive. Im actually amazed the Soldiers guarding the Barracks nearby did not open up with their AK47's in Self Defence?

Disgusted, totally disgusted.

Angry of Mayfair wrote:

The Red Star wrote:

punchdrunk wrote:

Eyewitnesses report they were stood in the street for 20 minutes after the killing shouting "Allah achbar" and trying to get people to film them. It is being treated as a terrorist incident by Downing street.
We can wait for the facts, the facts are that these 2 pieces of shit if they survive will more then likely get away with a lighter sentence by claiming some form of allegiance to their crack-pot Islamic ideals.

Kill the fuckers, time for pussying around has stopped. feck Islam and feck it good

yeah because all muslims are terrorists arent they!

Obviously not, however a growing number of islamists in the uk are and they would take great joy at this death. Those that defend this action are terrorists and many will. Anyone who condones this killing in my mind should die, end of.

plenty of do gooders will be lining up to make excuses for the scum, bring back hanging.

Sufferedsince68 wrote:

plenty of do gooders will be lining up to make excuses for the scum, bring back hanging.

The do gooders allow terrorism to flourish. I would have been happy for the police to have shot those that carried this atrocity in the head. No trial needed here. Time for the police to release names of all suspected Islamist terrorists now and let the public decide their fate.

Sadly, the 'let's shoot all Muslims' brigade will be rubbing their hands on this sad, sad day. However, Like I had to explain to my dear old mum, and perhaps Red Star as well,

Mum, I said, not all Muslims are terrorists, not all young black men are muggers and gang-bangers, and not all priests are peado's and not all people with the surname of Newell are cnuts.

Not making excuses for anything that happened today, that was absolutely shocking, and I'm more than aware that feelings are running extremely high, but I feel things need to be put into context.

For the radicalist element of Islam, Indeed, they should be taken out. We need to spend a stronger message instead of one of tolerance and offering out our hand to these cnuts. Arm the police, arm them now and shoot them on site without fear of criminal proceedings being instigated against the police/MI5/SAS/Army marksmen.

Sufferedsince68 wrote:

plenty of do gooders will be lining up to make excuses for the scum, bring back hanging.

Don't think that many would be lined up to defend this scum and very few members of society would argue against bringing back hanging for crimes like this which is why it will never go to a public vote.

Highwayman wrote:

Sufferedsince68 wrote:

plenty of do gooders will be lining up to make excuses for the scum, bring back hanging.

Don't think that many would be lined up to defend this scum and very few members of society would argue against bringing back hanging for crimes like this which is why it will never go to a public vote.

cameron and his little fweinds promised a referendum on europe, why not a referendum on capital punishment? he believes in democracy i presume.

If there was no islam evil filth like this pair would only find some other excuse to hack someone to death with a machete. Being an athiest I know there is no god so when I hear them shouting their mumbo jumbo as they kill it makes it even more incomprehensible. I hope they die. And soon.

Sufferedsince68 wrote:

Highwayman wrote:

Sufferedsince68 wrote:

plenty of do gooders will be lining up to make excuses for the scum, bring back hanging.

Don't think that many would be lined up to defend this scum and very few members of society would argue against bringing back hanging for crimes like this which is why it will never go to a public vote.

cameron and his little fweinds promised a referendum on europe, why not a referendum on capital punishment? he believes in democracy i presume.

All politicians are a bit like Brenty boy SS68, they only want input when it suits and to their advantage.

Highwayman wrote:

Sufferedsince68 wrote:

Highwayman wrote:

Sufferedsince68 wrote:

plenty of do gooders will be lining up to make excuses for the scum, bring back hanging.

Don't think that many would be lined up to defend this scum and very few members of society would argue against bringing back hanging for crimes like this which is why it will never go to a public vote.

cameron and his little fweinds promised a referendum on europe, why not a referendum on capital punishment? he believes in democracy i presume.

All politicians are a bit like Brenty boy SS68, they only want input when it suits and to their advantage.

politicians wonder why nobody takes them seriously, most are only after the next promotion, let the people decide on capital punishment.

lets get sometthing clear from the off

not every muslim man/woman is a terrorist or likes cat stevens
not every white man/woman is a racist and supports the bnp
not every jewish man/woman is an accountant and supports spurs
not every black man/woman is a drug dealer and likes rap music
not every asisan is good at it and has a small penis

they are called stereotypes so to try and label a whole group of people like the knuckle draggers are doing right now with Muslims is wrong and inaccurate.

These attackers are fanatics who are homegrown (if you have seen the itv video its clear one at least is) whilst there is a section of islam that manipulates the quran it appears the people brainwashing indivduals are the ones to target not the religion itself. All religions have fanatics sadly, the world would be better off without religion.

The Red Star wrote:

Sufferedsince68 wrote:

plenty of do gooders will be lining up to make excuses for the scum, bring back hanging.

The do gooders allow terrorism to flourish. I would have been happy for the police to have shot those that carried this atrocity in the head. No trial needed here. Time for the police to release names of all suspected Islamist terrorists now and let the public decide their fate.

Yeah, that works. Why not try and work out why a man with a London accent and no doubt will be "home grown" decides to hack someone to death and then run at police?

In fact I've just re-read your post and I cannot even believe I'm responding.

You cannot address this whole issue without at least applying your same rules across both sides - many more innocent people have died in the muslim world as well as Guantanemo bay and the British authorities being complicit in torture. Not to mention of course the western worlds blind eye and financial support to Israel. If I were a muslim I would be angry.

Just in case you accuse me of being some lily-livered socialist then I am condemning both sides. These actions are linked.

Here we go again. Let's watch as the right wing media drums up ignorant hatred against all foreign nationals and muslims. I despair that this shit can even happen - the guy was dismembered apparently according to eye witness reports (and looking at the video footage of the guy with the knives, I'd say he was) - it'll be disgusting to read tabloid hatred yet again too.

The killers waited around for the police and chatted with locals and encouraged them to film them...

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Angry of Mayfair wrote:

lets get sometthing clear from the off

not every muslim man/woman is a terrorist or likes cat stevens
not every white man/woman is a racist and supports the bnp
not every jewish man/woman is an accountant and supports spurs
not every black man/woman is a drug dealer and likes rap music
not every asisan is good at it and has a small penis

they are called stereotypes so to try and label a whole group of people like the knuckle draggers are doing right now with Muslims is wrong and inaccurate.

These attackers are fanatics who are homegrown (if you have seen the itv video its clear one at least is) whilst there is a section of islam that manipulates the quran it appears the people brainwashing indivduals are the ones to target not the religion itself. All religions have fanatics sadly, the world would be better off without religion.

i dont think i've seen any knuckle dragging on this thread angry, just reasoned debate from the atd electorate.

I'm just sick of hearing about killings whoever commits the murders.

It's going on everywhere and there are equally horrific things happening all around the globe and there's always someone justifying it.

Comments like go after Muslims are sort of understandable because emotions are running high but does anyone really want a global war where it's race v race because of a minority of each race have some insane notion that their religious belief means they can't live side by side with any others?

I'm an atheist and this just reminds me why I don't believe in any God.