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PostSubject: Re: The Trust Repeats Call For Transparency   Sun Dec 30, 2012 1:44 pm

Isn't there an ex-ATDer, (who's friendly with a few people asking questions on this thread) that being a member of the Trust Board, could let them know one way or the other whether there has being a response or not?

Or is that indeed where you got your info from, knecht?
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PostSubject: Re: The Trust Repeats Call For Transparency   Sun Dec 30, 2012 3:37 pm

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Isn't there an ex-ATDer, (who's friendly with a few people asking questions on this thread) that being a member of the Trust Board, could let them know one way or the other whether there has being a response or not?

Or is that indeed where you got your info from, knecht?

I haven't seen Andy since the beginning of the season though he and a number of other Argyle fans I have as 'friends' on Facebook - some of them even post on ATD also! I have spoken with, exchanged pms with, Facebook friended, two or three of the Trust or people who have been substantially involved with the Trust - Tim Chown, Richard Blight, Laura Carn, Sally Snow. I have done similar with some of the PASB. I have also met & chatted with Tony Hooper, James Brent, Peter Jones (with whom I have exchanged pms) - maybe they told me. I also know people that know people who may or may not know something and who may or may not have told me.

The interesting thing in this is not where I got the information from is that Peggy has information that contradicts mine. She, like me, is not stupid (I am certainly naive and, OK, a bit stupid) so on what basis have we both posted our opposing "fact"? Who knows? I certainly don't. I guess we may eventually find out.

In the meantime, Rickler has contacted the Trust via their web-site. Maybe the answer will soon be forthcoming.
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PostSubject: Re: The Trust Repeats Call For Transparency   Sun Dec 30, 2012 3:56 pm

Can't understand why Andy Symons has not commented about the silence, I am sure if he was not a committee member he would have been,what a bit of power does.
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PostSubject: Re: The Trust Repeats Call For Transparency   Sun Dec 30, 2012 3:59 pm

Or rather, Knecht, that it would appear that both Damon and our favourite PI think they've got information, which they've posted about on the internet, and which I - and no doubt lots of others - have seen. And that as members of the Trust we have nothing else to go on.

If there's nothing to tell us, it would be the work of a few moments to put together a couple of sentences to that effect. Thus discouraging all this rumour and speculation. It's not as if the Trust needs any more undermining, after all.
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PostSubject: Re: The Trust Repeats Call For Transparency   Sun Dec 30, 2012 4:14 pm

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Can't understand why Andy Symons has not commented about the silence, I am sure if he was not a committee member he would have been,what a bit of power does.

He no longer posts on here.
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PostSubject: Re: The Trust Repeats Call For Transparency   Sun Dec 30, 2012 5:38 pm

Has he deleted his account?

When someone does delete their account do any PMs they sent get deleted as well?
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PostSubject: Re: The Trust Repeats Call For Transparency   Sun Dec 30, 2012 5:42 pm

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Has he deleted his account?

When someone does delete their account do any PMs they sent get deleted as well?

Yes and yes.
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PostSubject: Re: The Trust Repeats Call For Transparency   Sun Dec 30, 2012 6:07 pm

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The truth is ALL fans representing the Trust, Pasb or whatever, have changed their tack, and have withdrawn somewhat from online commenting.. Why that is only time will tell, but it sure appears as if they've all as one seen it useful to behave differently. I wonder where the new almost 'corporate' bon homie has come from ? must be a lot of nudging going on.

Just for clarity, there's no bonhomie in me; corporate or otherwise...
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PostSubject: Re: The Trust Repeats Call For Transparency   Sun Dec 30, 2012 6:14 pm

I'm a little saddened by the Trust stance on this. Either Brent has answered or he hasn't. That not hard to say. Either is answer is too be shared or it's not for public consumption. That's alot harder. The Trust shouldn't be cornered or corralled into being unable to report to its members. Imagine Brent doing the same with his board.

Something is not quite right. At the end of the day if it's gone wrong this time than ground rules must be clearly defined for future interaction.
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PostSubject: Re: The Trust Repeats Call For Transparency   Sun Dec 30, 2012 6:50 pm

The trust looks doomed to me, what is the point of a trust that wont tell its members whats going on? talk about treating the members with contempt! any thing with the name Argyle in it looks fvcked to me at the moment sad times.
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PostSubject: Re: The Trust Repeats Call For Transparency   Sun Dec 30, 2012 6:58 pm

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Or rather, Knecht, that it would appear that both Damon and our favourite PI think they've got information, which they've posted about on the internet, and which I - and no doubt lots of others - have seen. And that as members of the Trust we have nothing else to go on.

If there's nothing to tell us, it would be the work of a few moments to put together a couple of sentences to that effect. Thus discouraging all this rumour and speculation. It's not as if the Trust needs any more undermining, after all.

I agree with this. I suspect that the reason that nothing has been said is that there is little to say. It's probable that negotiations are continuing but with Christmas getting in the way it is all taking longer than it otherwise might. Sadly the absence of any indication at all as to what is happening means that speculation is rife and uncertainty triumphs. The trust has definitely played this very badly so far. They need to say something and to say it soon.
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PostSubject: Re: The Trust Repeats Call For Transparency   Sun Dec 30, 2012 7:46 pm

Your Club is in the shite yet your fans groups do and say feck all. Your fan base has no passion. At any other Club the fans would be rioting and demanding answers, yet Argyle do nothing.

Brent is feckin you over, yet you sit back and let it happen.

Unbelievable and somewhat pathetic. You will go the Conference and nobody else will notice, that is how far Argyle have fallen
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PostSubject: Re: The Trust Repeats Call For Transparency   Sun Dec 30, 2012 8:07 pm

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Your Club is in the shite yet your fans groups do and say feck all. Your fan base has no passion. At any other Club the fans would be rioting and demanding answers, yet Argyle do nothing.

Brent is feckin you over, yet you sit back and let it happen.

Unbelievable and somewhat pathetic. You will go the Conference and nobody else will notice, that is how far Argyle have fallen


The above is sad but true. Brent has done nothing for the fotball club & refuses to enter into any dialogue with the fans group.

Yet all that happens is " Trust repeats call for answers" and shit like that.

Open opposition should be widespread and the media should be bombarded with demands that they start report the real state of affairs at Home Park
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PostSubject: Re: The Trust Repeats Call For Transparency   Sun Dec 30, 2012 8:19 pm

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The Red Star wrote:
Your Club is in the shite yet your fans groups do and say feck all. Your fan base has no passion. At any other Club the fans would be rioting and demanding answers, yet Argyle do nothing.

Brent is feckin you over, yet you sit back and let it happen.

Unbelievable and somewhat pathetic. You will go the Conference and nobody else will notice, that is how far Argyle have fallen


The above is sad but true. Brent has done nothing for the fotball club & refuses to enter into any dialogue with the fans group.

Yet all that happens is " Trust repeats call for answers" and shit like that.

Open opposition should be widespread and the media should be bombarded with demands that they start report the real state of affairs at Home Park

Grovey, I do think when your fans wake up, there will be real blood letting and those so called fans who ate from the trough during your saddest hour will be brought to account
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PostSubject: Re: The Trust Repeats Call For Transparency   Sun Dec 30, 2012 8:49 pm

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Grovehill wrote:
The Red Star wrote:
Your Club is in the shite yet your fans groups do and say feck all. Your fan base has no passion. At any other Club the fans would be rioting and demanding answers, yet Argyle do nothing.

Brent is feckin you over, yet you sit back and let it happen.

Unbelievable and somewhat pathetic. You will go the Conference and nobody else will notice, that is how far Argyle have fallen


The above is sad but true. Brent has done nothing for the fotball club & refuses to enter into any dialogue with the fans group.

Yet all that happens is " Trust repeats call for answers" and shit like that.

Open opposition should be widespread and the media should be bombarded with demands that they start report the real state of affairs at Home Park

Grovey, I do think when your fans wake up, there will be real blood letting and those so called fans who ate from the trough during your saddest hour will be brought to account

I'll bet anyone 200 quid we don't go down............................. w@nker Rolling Eyes
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PostSubject: Re: The Trust Repeats Call For Transparency   Sun Dec 30, 2012 8:59 pm

Just to clarify things, I stepped down from the board a week or so before the Trust sent it's letter asking JB certain questions. I've not been party to JB's "response" but I know roughly JB's "response" to the Trust. From talking to fans yesterday and at the Torquay game it is obvious that a lot of other fans know what his "response" was as well. I've heard at least 4 different versions of this "response" and each version is getting further from the truth ( as it was told to me). This is classic Chinese whispers. Before the truth of what JB said to the Trust becomes blurred into something that it's not and rumours get out of hand completely; the Trust needs to tell it's members what JB really said.

I obviously fully understand that the Trust is between a rock and a hard place and I know that JB likes to say that all his communications are confidential, even when there is nothing of any particularly sensitive nature in them but this story is getting out of hand. The only people who can clarify matters are either the Trust or JB. JB isn't going to so that leaves the Trust.
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PostSubject: Re: The Trust Repeats Call For Transparency   Sun Dec 30, 2012 9:04 pm

Richard Blight wrote:
Just to clarify things, I stepped down from the board a week or so before the Trust sent it's letter asking JB certain questions. I've not been party to JB's "response" but I know roughly JB's "response" to the Trust. From talking to fans yesterday and at the Torquay game it is obvious that a lot of other fans know what his "response" was as well. I've heard at least 4 different versions of this "response" and each version is getting further from the truth ( as it was told to me). This is classic Chinese whispers. Before the truth of what JB said to the Trust becomes blurred into something that it's not and rumours get out of hand completely; the Trust needs to tell it's members what JB really said.

I obviously fully understand that the Trust is between a rock and a hard place and I know that JB likes to say that all his communications are confidential, even when there is nothing of any particularly sensitive nature in them but this story is getting out of hand. The only people who can clarify matters are either the Trust or JB. JB isn't going to so that leaves the Trust.

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PostSubject: Re: The Trust Repeats Call For Transparency   Sun Dec 30, 2012 9:20 pm

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.. and I know that JB likes to say that all his communications are confidential, even when there is nothing of any particularly sensitive nature in them...

And yet Brent is meant to be all about openess and transparency?

If the Trust agree to his 'rules of engagement' over communications, then we might as well pack it all in right now..

Which brings me to....
The Pasb setting themselves up as the 'conduit' that will need to be passed through by supporters groups and the Trust if they want to engage with Brent.

This must never, never ever be allowed to happen!!!

The Trust to have any credibility needs to stand on its own legs. Quite frankly... I wish they would withdraw from the Pasb.

But baby steps.... For now... Can the Trust just tell us what Brent said, please?

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PostSubject: Re: The Trust Repeats Call For Transparency   Sun Dec 30, 2012 10:09 pm

Richard Blight wrote:
Just to clarify things, I stepped down from the board a week or so before the Trust sent it's letter asking JB certain questions. I've not been party to JB's "response" but I know roughly JB's "response" to the Trust. From talking to fans yesterday and at the Torquay game it is obvious that a lot of other fans know what his "response" was as well. I've heard at least 4 different versions of this "response" and each version is getting further from the truth ( as it was told to me). This is classic Chinese whispers. Before the truth of what JB said to the Trust becomes blurred into something that it's not and rumours get out of hand completely; the Trust needs to tell it's members what JB really said.

I obviously fully understand that the Trust is between a rock and a hard place and I know that JB likes to say that all his communications are confidential, even when there is nothing of any particularly sensitive nature in them but this story is getting out of hand. The only people who can clarify matters are either the Trust or JB. JB isn't going to so that leaves the Trust.

Richard, is there nobody left who sees that the fanbase has had it up to the eyeballs with the whole situation?

I can see the AFT being pretty much a waste of time now, which has been a few high profile supporters aim all along, and only the wonderfully professional PASB having Argyle fans best interests at heart.

Better get ourselves a season ticket for the BSP if we want to mank about anything from now on.

I must grudgingly give Brent credit I suppose, he's played an absolute blinder from day one. Messers Webb and Newell must be celebrating in the streets right now. Run by a few fans for a few fans.

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PostSubject: Re: The Trust Repeats Call For Transparency   Sun Dec 30, 2012 10:38 pm

Greenjock, to answer your question; there can't be many left. I witnessed JB looking distinctly uncomfortable yesterday, a few fans around the directors box certainly let him know what they thought about yesterday's showing.

I also witnessed a couple of fans at an open boardroom door shouting into the boardroom things like " where is the pride in Plymouth Argyle football club?" and several other comments. Someone from the boardroom came out to try to pacify them.

There was a lot of anger from normally quiet fans in the grandstand and season ticket holders in the Far Post club who were saying that if it wasn't for the fact they have already paid for their tickets, they probably wouldn't bother going. There is a feeling amongst fans of the club being no further forward than it was this time last year. Last year we had an excuse, I'm not sure there is one now.

After an accumulative effect of several bad seasons, fans were hoping to see at least a small improvement in the teams fortunes. Fans have had a gut full, they feel let down and some may never return.

I know exactly how they feel!

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PostSubject: Re: The Trust Repeats Call For Transparency   Sun Dec 30, 2012 11:01 pm

I think you're right Richard. There could be a whole generation of Argyle fans so scarred by the last few years that they just won't bother anymore.

If my generation become so disillusioned they don't return, then their kids won't go by themselves.

At least Webb junior and senior will always be there, with Brent's family who all have the Argyle bug. Chuck in Ian Newell and the directors box will always be full I suppose.

If only there was a fan with principles who would storm the boardroom, rally the troops against the common enemy? Preferably one who didn't already have his and his mates snouts in the trough.
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PostSubject: Re: The Trust Repeats Call For Transparency   Mon Dec 31, 2012 8:49 am

So John Petrie has shed some light on what Brent's reply was to the Trusts concerns, he just totally ignored them!

That has been disputed but I think that we can now safely assume that Brent will not be carrying out his transparency promise, which has been lauded by all the superfans as the reason why Brent was the man.

So Brent isn't the man? Is that right Webby? He's not going to be transparent and doesn't consider the Trust worthy of an answer, you know the Argyle Fans Trust you used to lead until you were offered a place at the trough?

Good to see Hooper the Snooper jumping in to make sure that the fact that Ed Shillabeer is a Trust board member doesn't mean he represents the whole fanbase, just the season ticket holders eh Tone?

FFS This just gets funnier or more painful by the day. Can't wait for the next Presidents Progress Sleep #turncoatscabchampagnesocialist

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PostSubject: Re: The Trust Repeats Call For Transparency   Mon Dec 31, 2012 9:01 am

Certainly flushes the cuddly / speccy / harry potter image down the toilet.
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PostSubject: Re: The Trust Repeats Call For Transparency   Mon Dec 31, 2012 10:01 am

david_fisher wrote:
Certainly flushes the cuddly / speccy / harry potter image down the toilet.

Transparency and the Chuckle Brothers.................. yer avin a laff ! lol!

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PostSubject: Re: The Trust Repeats Call For Transparency   Tue Jan 08, 2013 7:21 am

The trust will be waiting for James to send them a nice letter telling them to mind their own feckin business, really politely.
They don't seem to have the balls to stand up to him and as a result, will wither and die.
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