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Jesus leave the bloke alone! Chris Webb is the president of the club an ambassador for the fans. He has done will continue to do things for us the fans. Plymouth Argyle have a hell of alot of fans he isnt going to please every one with what he does or what he says. He is NOT allowed to say what he really thinks about the job Carl or James Brent are doing, he WILL get removed from his position. I know this because I was the Argyle ladies coach. I made a comment on here a few weeks ago about How rubbish the game was against Wimbledon a few weeks back. I said If Carl was to be removed we need more experience in the door. I thought a fair comment but the club didnt and a member of there staff (although a volenteer) could not be seen to pubically critise the management. Even know no one on here has a clue who I coach or run or that I am even involved in football.
What I am trying to say is. He knows, he is a fan like you me and every one else. He is fed up like us but there is nothing like us he can do. The board of directors make the decisions not Chris Webb no matter who he is friends with.
If you dont agree with what he says or the decisions that are made by him then thats fair, but at least he stood up when we were in the dog house and made sure along with Ian Newell and the GT'S and everyone else who got us out of the hell hole we were in and was counted hence his now position. The guy is a busy bloke with his job and his family he is trying his best to ensure we have a atmosphere at Home Park and the youth of Plymouth grow up to support Argyle and not Man Utd or Chelsea. IMO I think the bloke was and is a massive reason why we have a club to even watch this year so how about you get off his back and if you think you can do a better job then send a letter to the club or let it known to the trust if not then simply pipe down and let him get on with it. If you dont like to sing and chant then go and moan some where else in the stadium there are plenty of seats if you dont like the flags then dont look at them. I for one couldnt care if there were a gang of baby chimps on the pitch at half time doing the conga I have nothing but respect and time for Chris, Ian the GT'S and Forza Verdy the people who are trying to make our club a great club again.

I can't decide whether this is true or whether it is rabbit. Either way it is familliar.

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Jesus leave the bloke alone! Chris Webb is the president of the club an ambassador for the fans. He has done will continue to do things for us the fans. Plymouth Argyle have a hell of alot of fans he isnt going to please every one with what he does or what he says. He is NOT allowed to say what he really thinks about the job Carl or James Brent are doing, he WILL get removed from his position. I know this because I was the Argyle ladies coach. I made a comment on here a few weeks ago about How rubbish the game was against Wimbledon a few weeks back. I said If Carl was to be removed we need more experience in the door. I thought a fair comment but the club didnt and a member of there staff (although a volenteer) could not be seen to pubically critise the management. Even know no one on here has a clue who I coach or run or that I am even involved in football.
What I am trying to say is. He knows, he is a fan like you me and every one else. He is fed up like us but there is nothing like us he can do. The board of directors make the decisions not Chris Webb no matter who he is friends with.
If you dont agree with what he says or the decisions that are made by him then thats fair, but at least he stood up when we were in the dog house and made sure along with Ian Newell and the GT'S and everyone else who got us out of the hell hole we were in and was counted hence his now position. The guy is a busy bloke with his job and his family he is trying his best to ensure we have a atmosphere at Home Park and the youth of Plymouth grow up to support Argyle and not Man Utd or Chelsea. IMO I think the bloke was and is a massive reason why we have a club to even watch this year so how about you get off his back and if you think you can do a better job then send a letter to the club or let it known to the trust if not then simply pipe down and let him get on with it. If you dont like to sing and chant then go and moan some where else in the stadium there are plenty of seats if you dont like the flags then dont look at them. I for one couldnt care if there were a gang of baby chimps on the pitch at half time doing the conga I have nothing but respect and time for Chris, Ian the GT'S and Forza Verdy the people who are trying to make our club a great club again.

I can't decide whether this is true or whether it is rabbit. Either way it is familliar.

Don't think its Dane.There certainly was a guy called Dave Burns who was manager of the ladies team;

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I commented on this earlier SFD, this Dave Burns is still defending Chris Webb when it looks like he might have been the victim of the same treatment Peggy got for being critical.

I didn't request you were removed, I just informed the club it wouldn't make sense to employ someone who was being critical, or words to that effect.

I noticed this last night. A Pasoti poster explaining that it was difficult for Chris Webb to be able to say what he wants about the current situation.

Dave Burns knows this because he used to coach the Argyle ladies team until he posted something critical about the club on Pasoti, after the defeat by Wimbledon

He was then informed that his services were no longer required as a coach.

Now Dave Burns has nothing but admiriation for Chris Webb, Ian Newell the GT's etc. and wants people to get of Chris's back.

Now I maybe wrong, but this sounds like Dave Burns has been Peggy'ed to me
Dave just doesn't realise what happened that's all. His second post on page 2 reveals what happened after he said something critical on Pasoti.

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I've spoken to Dave a few times when the Trust was supporting the Ladies last season, and helping arrange for them to play a home match at Home Park. Which I recall they lost 4-1 to Spurs, but hey!

Dave's a great guy, enthusiastic and proud of his girls. A real shame. There may be other factors in play though. Note his second posting later in the same thread.

If all this is correct, and it seems to be pretty typical, than this Dave Burns guy is a very weak character, he doesn't seem to have much backbone.

It's a bit odd I agree. There must be more to the story because if Burns was removed because of his comments on Pasoti he should be screaming blue murder.

If you read his post this morning you will see that there's nothing more to it at all, and that the club are now starting to resemble North Korea.

It would suggest that someone saw him criticise Carl Fletcher on Pasoti and contacted the club to say something along the lines of the way Chris Webb contacted the club over Peggy and hey presto he's removed from his role at the club.

Sound familiar?

What the hell has happened to Argyle?

If the performances weren't so shit then they wouldn't get criticised so much.

So this is the comment that Dave Burns made on Pasoti, that cost him his role as ladies team coach:

Has anyone got any ideas on who we could bring in if Fletcher was to be given the kick? I would love to see all the coaching staff replaced or added to. We need coaches with experience IMO and there isnt alot of that there right now. How about Nigal Worthington or Megson?? Thoughts...

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So he's basically asked who should be brought in IF Fletcher was to be sacked.

This was after witnessing the home defeat to AFC Wimbledon where he no doubt paid to see us lose poorly. That was enough for someone connected to the club to suggest he is removed from his voluntary role coaching the ladies side.

Yes it is remarkably similar to what happened to Peggy. She was critical of the Forza Verde because she had sat in Block 3 of the Devonport End for years and didn't particularly want to be slap bang in the middle of flags, drums and orchestrated chanting, where people for some strange reason are excluded from the ground regulations and are allowed to stand throughout the match.

That was enough for the club president to e-mail James Brent or Peter Jones and suggest that there was no point in Peggy carrying on her voluntary, unpaid programme notes and whaddya know? She was removed at short notice.

This is what Plymouth Argyle has come to.

Since becoming club president Chris Webb has done a complete U-turn on his much advertised principles. Redundancies, still not confirmed by the club but everyone knows the details of, not even condemned by the great socialist trades union rep?

Chris Webb who can criticise the display of a player and say he was at fault for the Dorchester goal and nothing happens.

It's pretty clear what influence Chris Webb has on the club. If he doesn't like someone then you can bet your bottom dollar he will do all he can, by suggesting of course, to remove this person for being critical.

It's double standards Chris. It's hypocritical, it's being two-faced. You were the Trust leader who is now Brent's hatchet man?

feck off Chris, feck off Brent, feck off Jones, feck off Martin Baker and please, please, please feck off Fletcher. Actually in no particular order. The club with these wankers involved is going nowhere.

Bring that up at the PASB meeting Hooper and Jameson!

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So this is the comment that Dave Burns made on Pasoti, that cost him his role as ladies team coach:

Has anyone got any ideas on who we could bring in if Fletcher was to be given the kick? I would love to see all the coaching staff replaced or added to. We need coaches with experience IMO and there isnt alot of that there right now. How about Nigal Worthington or Megson?? Thoughts...

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So he's basically asked who should be brought in IF Fletcher was to be sacked.

This was after witnessing the home defeat to AFC Wimbledon where he no doubt paid to see us lose poorly. That was enough for someone connected to the club to suggest he is removed from his voluntary role coaching the ladies side.

Yes it is remarkably similar to what happened to Peggy. She was critical of the Forza Verde because she had sat in Block 3 of the Devonport End for years and didn't particularly want to be slap bang in the middle of flags, drums and orchestrated chanting, where people for some strange reason are excluded from the ground regulations and are allowed to stand throughout the match.

That was enough for the club president to e-mail James Brent or Peter Jones and suggest that there was no point in Peggy carrying on her voluntary, unpaid programme notes and whaddya know? She was removed at short notice.

This is what Plymouth Argyle has come to.

Since becoming club president Chris Webb has done a complete U-turn on his much advertised principles. Redundancies, still not confirmed by the club but everyone knows the details of, not even condemned by the great socialist trades union rep?

Chris Webb who can criticise the display of a player and say he was at fault for the Dorchester goal and nothing happens.

It's pretty clear what influence Chris Webb has on the club. If he doesn't like someone then you can bet your bottom dollar he will do all he can, by suggesting of course, to remove this person for being critical.

It's double standards Chris. It's hypocritical, it's being two-faced. You were the Trust leader who is now Brent's hatchet man?

feck off Chris, feck off Brent, feck off Jones, feck off Martin Baker and please, please, please feck off Fletcher. Actually in no particular order. The club with these wankers involved is going nowhere.

Bring that up at the PASB meeting Hooper and Jameson!

Don't be silly, they are only there for the networking. It will end up an old pals club.

Update from Dave Burns on Pasoti. He was removed because of his Pasoti comments.

This is a shameful club we support.

So that's two.

Wonder how many more there are that we don't know about? After all, people sometimes say things in REAL life, too.

Totally shameful. Both the actions at the club and the general shrug of the shoulders reaction from fellow fans.

Although you can rely on Herb for a good reaction (you have to look a little closely)

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So, if you criticise the club publicly you get shown the door.

But if you do it via pms, engage in internet and telephone wars, create insulting web-sites, store personal information on flickr sites etc etc - generally bring the club into disrepute you may get a private slap across the wrist at worst.

Doesn't make sense, does it?

Good luck to Dave Burns and Marine Academy Ladies.

I tried to warn all last December against people giving their real names when Nool launched his war against freaks, cowards etc. I didn't quite get banned, just a night off never to be able to log in again.

#besuspiciousifyouresuddenlyallowedbackonthefarm

This is the sort of story the PASB need to be challenging the club on.

It's a fine balance with this kind of thing. Most employers now have a social media policy. Whether you agree with it or not, you still have to follow that policy.

I've posted on pasoti so I'll just copy and paste it here. I'll get slated for some of it on here but I don't care - up your bums

I work for PCC and we do have a social media policy however it's a very similar situation to Dave's as I live in Plymouth, my children go to Plymouth schools and I pay Council Tax and use all the normal services that other residents use so, in effect, I am also a customer (or service user). I am also of voting age and I vote for a prospective Councillor during the election who will, essentially, become one of my senior leaders. If I am unhappy with a service or feel that the City is due criticism, what can I do? As I am employee, should I relinquish my democratic right to voice my opinion and forget that I am also a customer who contributes to the City financially and also as a citizen? I am sympathetic to situations that others living in the City might be unsympathetic towards as I do have an inside view of certain things and there's often information that I am aware of that doesn't get reported so I am not as harsh a critic as some but there are times and issues and situations that I feel should be criticised as PCC do get things wrong at times. Leaking that information to support criticism is unacceptable however criticising things that are already in the public domain surely shouldn't be unacceptable.

Like me, Dave is a customer of PAFC and if he is unhappy, he has just as much right to complain or criticise as the customer who sits beside him at the game on a Saturday without fear of reprisal from his employer/organisation.

I do feel that we have an owner who is very PR aware and we've seen campaigns on here that are dubious supported by people who are influenced by the club (we all know what I'm talking about) - I also feel that Dave's been harshly treated here. Similarly, we have a President who was 'one of us' who seems to have become a PR agent for the club and who will not publicly criticise anything the club does no matter how unpopular it is with the fans; the family enclosure is a perfect example of this. I am sure there are things he is publicly supporting that he privately criticises. I apologise to Chris for that if he feels it's harsh but he knows what I'm talking about (I won't disclose anything further on that).

In the extreme examples, very bad things have been covered up and very bad things have been allowed to happen due to individuals supporting their employers when they should have whistleblown and stood up to things that were happening that were very wrong. You do have a responsibility towards your employer however, if that employer has a wider effect on society as a whole, you also, as a citizen, have a responsibility to do what you feel is morally correct.

To the OP and to the point of this thread; I personally wish Chris Webb would stand down and just return to the stand as a fan. Chris, you'd get hours and hours of your life back, you can support the club how you should (as a fan) and you can be one of us again because I genuinely think you've lost that and you're becoming "one of them". Let the superfans who are heading towards a big fall do what they want but get your arse back in the Devonport End please and stop being a free PR agent for the club.

I get the impression with Chris Webb that he wants to be busy 18 hours a day with work, the club and his family.

I don't think he would know what to do with himself in his spare time if he gave up the President's role. I do agree that he's become one of them, and that there must be things that he wants to comment on but feels he can't because of his role. That's tough shit. What did he thinks was going to happen when he gave up leading the Trust to take a role within the club?

The problem for me is that he puts himself into the spotlight at every opportunity, all for the club of course and then if things go wrong, which they certainly are at the moment, he can't exactly speak out against them.

The redundancies for example, still nothing official from the club I see, is something that as Trust leader he would have been up in arms about, and indeed he is up in arms about when similar redundancies are announced within Royal Mail.

So when you see things like this happening you automatically wonder what he is thinking or why he isn't not shaving or chaining himself to the postboxes?

His friendship with Ian Newell also taints him with a section of the fanbase, because Ian Newell has been proven to be involved in allsorts of nasty stuff online, often aided and abetted by unknown accomplices, so Chris falls under suspiscion as well.

Chris has said things to me privately that I hope he is saying to the relevant people, but I wish he would actually condemn the people involved publicly so that it didn't appear as if he condones their behaviour.

This example with Dave Burns is typical at the moment. If you actually read Dave's comments he is asking who would people like to see replace the current coaching staff IF they are replaced.

He isn't exactly shouting his mouth off saying sack these idiots, he's a customer who has paid to watch his team lose again against a team we should be beating.

Now because of what Chris Webb did when he pretty much advised that Peggy be removed from the matchday programme for being critical of Forza Verde, and let's face it we've all seen his PM admitting that much, this looks as though it could have been Chris again suggesting or advising that Dave Burns be removed from coaching Argyle ladies for being critical of the current coaching staff of the mens side.

I doubt most people would have even known that Dave Burns did coach the ladies team, and I find it quite laughable that anyone could think that Martin Baker just happened to be perusing Pasoti and saw these comments from Dave Burns 1985 and automatically realised this was the same Dave Burns who coached the ladies side, so decided to bin him.

I doubt Martin Baker knows anything about the ladies team, so this was someone else who is aware of who Dave is, who reads Pasoti and didn't like the criticism, so decided to take it further. If that was Chris himself then it's frankly spiteful.

We are talking about volunteers who give up plenty of their own time to help the club being treated apallingly because they are not happy with what is going on at the moment.

I knw Chris is constantly reading Pasoti and here because he is very quick to text me when he feels I am being unfair, and I have seen similar comments on Pasoti from people he contacts on there if he doesn't agree with their posts.

The club is lurching from one cock-up to the next. The PASB was an unmitigated disaster and to have on that board two people who have been involved in some shady goings on to say the least, hardly inspires confidence that it will be an open and transparent organisation, and that's before we know who the other members of the board will be.

The team appear rudderless and lacking in fight and are being led by the most inexperienced management team in professional football. Another couple of defeats and we are slap bang in the middle of a relegation fight again.

The crowds will drop that's for sure, and if the figures 7500 or 8000+ are to be believed, it can't be long before the finances of the club will start looking very very flimsy again. Many believe it couldn't happen under James Brent, but why not? He's going to make his money from the other developments and doesn't appear to want to link the success off-field with what's going on with the team.

This is where the old Chris Webb would have been right in James Brent's face telling him it wasn't good enough. If this is happening in private then that's good, but people need to know that all of their worries are not falling on deaf ears.

Fletcher sounds about as worried about the team performance as he is with his communication skills. After some of the most abject performances in recent memory the fans want assurances that it is not good enough, not excuses about the pitch or the ref.

Who is able to tell Fletcher that what's happening isn't good enough?

Chris has certainly brought exposure to Argyle in the last year, but there are much more important things that need to be addressed, and quickly.

What I fear is that Chris will nod his head and listen to James Brent give his backing to Carl Fletcher when inside he must be raging about being so crap.

Will the real Chris Webb please stand up!

knecht wrote:

So, if you criticise the club publicly you get shown the door.

But if you do it via pms, engage in internet and telephone wars, create insulting web-sites, store personal information on flickr sites etc etc - generally bring the club into disrepute you may get a private slap across the wrist at worst.

Doesn't make sense, does it?

Don't you end up with a seat in the directors' box?

To be fair, if he's in the Directors Box he can't threaten stewards so easily.

The worse thing about the Dave burns thing is that he was actually a bleddy volunteer too. Not even a paid member of staff, but someone who gave a feck rather than someone who was in the clubs employ.

Sickening!

Didn't old Webby say this role wouldn't change a thing and he'd still be in Brent's face challenging anything he doesn't like?

Course you are.

#sellout

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Jesus leave the bloke alone! Chris Webb is the president of the club an ambassador for the fans. He has done will continue to do things for us the fans. Plymouth Argyle have a hell of alot of fans he isnt going to please every one with what he does or what he says. He is NOT allowed to say what he really thinks about the job Carl or James Brent are doing, he WILL get removed from his position. I know this because I was the Argyle ladies coach. I made a comment on here a few weeks ago about How rubbish the game was against Wimbledon a few weeks back. I said If Carl was to be removed we need more experience in the door. I thought a fair comment but the club didnt and a member of there staff (although a volenteer) could not be seen to pubically critise the management. Even know no one on here has a clue who I coach or run or that I am even involved in football.
What I am trying to say is. He knows, he is a fan like you me and every one else. He is fed up like us but there is nothing like us he can do. The board of directors make the decisions not Chris Webb no matter who he is friends with.
If you dont agree with what he says or the decisions that are made by him then thats fair, but at least he stood up when we were in the dog house and made sure along with Ian Newell and the GT'S and everyone else who got us out of the hell hole we were in and was counted hence his now position. The guy is a busy bloke with his job and his family he is trying his best to ensure we have a atmosphere at Home Park and the youth of Plymouth grow up to support Argyle and not Man Utd or Chelsea. IMO I think the bloke was and is a massive reason why we have a club to even watch this year so how about you get off his back and if you think you can do a better job then send a letter to the club or let it known to the trust if not then simply pipe down and let him get on with it. If you dont like to sing and chant then go and moan some where else in the stadium there are plenty of seats if you dont like the flags then dont look at them. I for one couldnt care if there were a gang of baby chimps on the pitch at half time doing the conga I have nothing but respect and time for Chris, Ian the GT'S and Forza Verdy the people who are trying to make our club a great club again.

I can't decide whether this is true or whether it is rabbit. Either way it is familliar.

Cant help but think of this reading this.

Ian Newell@IJN3 wrote:

For those planks that slag off our President. He spent all of his day off, cooking food for Nikkk's November Night. Get a life people!!

Oh that's alright then, so because he's cooked food because you lot couldn't be fecked to hire catering staff we should now stop slagging him off??

We'll just ignore the fact he's a complete sellout shall we? And that's just for starters.

Yea Man wrote:

Ian Newell@IJN3 wrote:

For those planks that slag off our President. He spent all of his day off, cooking food for Nikkk's November Night. Get a life people!!

Oh that's alright then, so because he's cooked food because you lot couldn't be fecked to hire catering staff we should now stop slagging him off??

We'll just ignore the fact he's a complete sellout shall we? And that's just for starters.

Nobber nool is hillarious, he's got the tw@t Factor alright