How is that a reason for voting that it will mean anything?

The club are not going to cancel the elections, so let's just get on with it!

I thought the whole point of the PASB was that it was independent of the club!

I had been prepared to concede that the club had largely stood back from the whole thing on the basis of that avowed agenda. If it is really true that it is being pushed forward by the club then it will confirm all the conspiracy theorists.

If this crass incompetence of an election process is the club's doing, it doesn't augur well for the future of the club. It seemed such an important aspect of Mr Brent's plans to make the club a leader in fans' involvement for the whole country to consider with awe and jealousy that it beggars belief that he hasn't stepped in more effectively.

To use a phrase that I'm seeing used more often, if this was going on in one of his hotels he would do something about it.

no. what elections?

The elections should have been called off but the club have decided to go ahead.

It is not the ideal situation but that is where we are, if all the candidates had dropped out I would have supported that but they have not. John P is the only one who won't be taking up his place if elected.

Yes the process is flawed and as soon as it can happen new elections should be called.

Nick Who are the boys?

Let's say you and I agree that calling new elections once the PASB is in place is the right thing to do. What if the PASB decide it isn't? Would you say that the PASB had any legitimacy?

Who would pay for the organising of that election? Would the ERS be involved again? Would the club pay for that(after all, they have just forked out for this election)? Have the club committed a fixed amount to support their baby? Would the PASB have access to the season ticket holders' details? How will the PASB fund itself otherwise? Will it be via paying a membership fee (say £10 a year)?

I'll stop before I simply go back to saying that the Trust should have been the way to go.

I would say that the people involved have no integrity!

All of that would be up to the PASB members to decide.

I hope the Trust play a leading role in PASB.

Lee

Exactly Knecht. I'm afraid Lee's position is untenable... but it was the best he could manage.
There's no way these 6 from 8 that then will become half of the PASB 12 will vote for a new election, and he knows that darn well.
It reminds me of NEW Labour's Tudor Evans campaigning and fighting the recent elections against the city incinerator, and then, months into his new reign, he says it's a fait a complit, and the city can't afford to ditch it. Save me from these charlatans.

The whole thing is a complete and utter shambles, and has been from day 1. The trust was the way to go for 'challenging' the club, but that might have meant an actual challenge which would have had to have been dealt with.

The thing has no meaning whatsoever, and the club is making itself look foolish by carrying on regardless.

The club has decided to go ahead. I'm sorry but it has the whiff of Stapletons it's my train set and I'll do with it as I will attitude (which happened a long time before his bleeding the club dry attitude). Doesnt portent too well for the future of openess and transparency.

It's the contrast with the shouting from the roof tops when things show the club in a good light which is interesting. The club and it's cheerleaders couldn't wait to trumpet the cheapest club to watch football accolade even though it was based on a false premise (which btw anyone with half a brain engaged could see from the get go).

On this issue it seemingly needs a miracle of making the mute speak to get anyone from the club to utter a word on the subject, a task made easy by a benign local press and a twitterati unwilling or for most of unable to ask anything meaningful of the club president (although a query about tickets, flags, fanfests or coach travel gets first class attention).

I didn't see the point of the GasBoard from day one, and nothing since has made me change my mind. The Trust is open to all and is independent in a way that the GasBoard is not and never will be.

Being a POTDer means that I can't vote in the farce anyway.

The deafening silence coming from the club though is worrying - if they aren't prepared to answer genuine concerns over the election, are they really going to divulge sensitive information to the GasBoard when it eventually is in situ?

Complete waste of money and effort (though there doesn't seem to have been much of the latter).

The result will have no meaning because the "supporters board" will have no meaning.

A group set up at the instigation of the owner will have no validity in terms of monitoring the actions of the owner.

Just like having a Government inquiry into the conduct of -the Government

N O

Well, we'll see what happens tomorrow.

The sad thing is that an election to create something that has transparency and accountability as key principles itself has been lacking when it counts on those very principles.

The statement rrom the election organisers will be key.

The Trust has made its position clear; we'll be proposing immediate fresh elections which include POTD supporters.

Tim

Good stuff Tim, but I fully expect your proposal to be snubbed... it's just an anti trust thing that some of the encumbents have had right from the start. As one of the puppets said, I don't do democracy, and I don't need to..... says it all.... pathetic.
About time POTD fans were treated equally... they're now just about half the regularly attending fanbase. You either value the opinion of all your customers, or you don't.

Well, POTD fans pay more per match, and are 40-50% of a typical gate.

Also £300 quid plus is more than many fans can pay out in one go for a season ticket, so they end up going POTD and probably going to less matches.

Tim

Shome mishtake shurely. I thought we had 40,000 season tickets holders, sorry members, filling the ground every week representing just a small proportion of the 3,000,000 stakeholders.

POTD = Plebs Of The Disenfranchised.

1,424 from 4,100 ish allowed to vote.