Saturday's PASB 'hustings' have been cancelled.

Last edited by JonB on Mon Sep 24, 2012 4:29 pm; edited 1 time in total

As above, for info.

Edited to add - they have been removed from the process, not postponed.

Why?

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Mock Cuncher wrote:

Why?

"As of this morning less than half of PASB candidates were available to attend the planned hustings on Saturday with a further two giving no indication of their intention to attend.

Following discussions with the ERS it has been decided to simply remove the hustings from the procedure."

As per the email I have just received.

Because nobody consulted any of the candidates before promulgating this part of the master plan. Shambolic from start to finish.

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I hear the PASB has been so successful so far that they will be organising a tea party in St Austell Brewery.

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Another first in football. A hustings that isn't a hustings.

Shame that TCs overhead projector slide presentation won't ever see the like of day and his ambassadors full monty (Ponty?) routine (got to reach out to the ladies) will gather dust

Makes it easier for the Pasoti sponsored candidates to get elected now. It's basically become a popularity contest.

Now I really, really look forward to the number of votes being published. I don't think any sophisticated equipment will be required to count the voting papers!

Great advert for the ERS as well.

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Great advert for El Prez and Le Proffessor

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It doesn't look as if anyone has told Tony - he's still looking forward to the great event.

When the idea of the GasBoard was put forward, we were assured that other clubs were looking enviously by at this novel approach to fan involvement. Just how many to date have approached us for advice.

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Dougie wrote:

Great advert for El Prez and Le Proffessor

It's not their fault that the candidates cannot be bothered to attend what is, essentially, a Q&A. If you look at it, Chris Webb's got the ERS involved (100% the right thing to do), he's given the PASB a lot of publicity and even though it's been criticised left, right and centre on pasoti, he's continued to try and get it started. I don't agree with it as I feel it's unnecessary but you can't criticise either of those people for non attendance at a husting - it was down to the candidates to ensure they attended.

I genuinely think this is a case of a load of old blokes who want a slice of the behind-the-scenes action and a bit of prestige - it's a shame they can't be arsed to actually go to the trouble of attending something fundamental in the process. It doesn't bode well does it. It's all a bit Dad's Army.

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It doesn't look as if anyone has told Tony - he's still looking forward to the great event.

I think Tony gets confused quite easily though.

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hairy j wrote:

Dougie wrote:

Great advert for El Prez and Le Proffessor

It's not their fault that the candidates cannot be bothered to attend what is, essentially, a Q&A.

No, but it was down to the Prof and The Supreme Leader to write to each candidate, saying - 'As part of the process, we want to hold a hustings meeting. Here are a selection of preferred dates. Please let us know which, if any, are inconvenient by (insert date here). Once we have all responses we will then hold a meeting on the date which is acceptable to most candidates.

And anyway, it's not the case that candidates can't be bothered. Because they weren't consulted, a number of them have other plans - holidays booked etc.

The whole thing has been a clusterf*ck from day one.

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Even if the candidates had been able to make it, the vast majority of members weren't going to know about it as the notification is being sent out (by 2nd class post I assume) just the day before the hustings were planned.

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Its actually getting quite funny now. What a shambles. As has been mentioned though it is now simply a beauty contest as to how many people you know.

The great thing is though that thanks to the Trust we now know the total electorate. I reckon if each candidate can secure half the people in their row on Saturday they're in Laughing

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Andy_Symons wrote:

hairy j wrote:

Dougie wrote:

Great advert for El Prez and Le Proffessor

It's not their fault that the candidates cannot be bothered to attend what is, essentially, a Q&A.

No, but it was down to the Prof and The Supreme Leader to write to each candidate, saying - 'As part of the process, we want to hold a hustings meeting. Here are a selection of preferred dates. Please let us know which, if any, are inconvenient by (insert date here). Once we have all responses we will then hold a meeting on the date which is acceptable to most candidates.

And anyway, it's not the case that candidates can't be bothered. Because they weren't consulted, a number of them have other plans - holidays booked etc.

The whole thing has been a clusterf*ck from day one.

That's bollocks too Andy - it's not up to these candidates to be spoon fed by the President. If that did happen, you'd complain about that.

If they want to be involved, they should get off their arses and make the whole thing worthwhile.

I see this crap at work all the time - people want to be consulted etc. and then, they're given the chance and nobody turns up.

Plymouth apathy at its very best.

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hairy j wrote:

Andy_Symons wrote:

hairy j wrote:

Dougie wrote:

Great advert for El Prez and Le Proffessor

It's not their fault that the candidates cannot be bothered to attend what is, essentially, a Q&A.

No, but it was down to the Prof and The Supreme Leader to write to each candidate, saying - 'As part of the process, we want to hold a hustings meeting. Here are a selection of preferred dates. Please let us know which, if any, are inconvenient by (insert date here). Once we have all responses we will then hold a meeting on the date which is acceptable to most candidates.

And anyway, it's not the case that candidates can't be bothered. Because they weren't consulted, a number of them have other plans - holidays booked etc.

The whole thing has been a clusterf*ck from day one.

That's bollocks too Andy - it's not up to these candidates to be spoon fed by the President. If that did happen, you'd complain about that.

If they want to be involved, they should get off their arses and make the whole thing worthwhile.

I see this crap at work all the time - people want to be consulted etc. and then, they're given the chance and nobody turns up.

Plymouth apathy at its very best.

Bollocks Hairy.

The timetable/dates of the election, including all events/hustings should have been made available to the candidates prior to their application as well as the expected commitment in terms of time post election. I notice Jon B has already given quite a robust response to you on Pasoti, he's right to.

Giving candidates advance notice of what is expected of them is not spoon feeding, it is common decency and good planning.

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Argyle's current owners have said that they would offer to the fans an opportunity to engage with the club in an overseer role in the form of the PASB. It wasn't said (I don't think) that it would be organised by the club - merely that they would do the initial priming of the pump.

The issue then is who is going to do the organising to set it up ......

At the risk of describing a perfect Catch 22, the PASB will be self-organising when it is up and running. And to get it up & running there needs to be a working PASB.

At this laughable point either the Trust control their sniggers and step in and do the job or they step back and allow someone else/some other body to take over. Whatever, the vacuum needs to be filled.

I just hope that this state of this groundbreaking initiative which will be the envy of all other clubs doesn't get wider publicity.

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Nick Wall wrote:

hairy j wrote:

Andy_Symons wrote:

hairy j wrote:

Dougie wrote:

Great advert for El Prez and Le Proffessor

It's not their fault that the candidates cannot be bothered to attend what is, essentially, a Q&A.

No, but it was down to the Prof and The Supreme Leader to write to each candidate, saying - 'As part of the process, we want to hold a hustings meeting. Here are a selection of preferred dates. Please let us know which, if any, are inconvenient by (insert date here). Once we have all responses we will then hold a meeting on the date which is acceptable to most candidates.

And anyway, it's not the case that candidates can't be bothered. Because they weren't consulted, a number of them have other plans - holidays booked etc.

The whole thing has been a clusterf*ck from day one.

That's bollocks too Andy - it's not up to these candidates to be spoon fed by the President. If that did happen, you'd complain about that.

If they want to be involved, they should get off their arses and make the whole thing worthwhile.

I see this crap at work all the time - people want to be consulted etc. and then, they're given the chance and nobody turns up.

Plymouth apathy at its very best.

Bollocks Hairy.

The timetable/dates of the election, including all events/hustings should have been made available to the candidates prior to their application as well as the expected commitment in terms of time post election. I notice Jon B has already given quite a robust response to you on Pasoti, he's right to.

Giving candidates advance notice of what is expected of them is not spoon feeding, it is common decency and good planning.

It's a load of bollocks if you ask me.
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The reality is that the bulk of the votes will be determined by the candidate statements.

That doesn't mean that the Members shouldn't have an opportunity to meet candidates. The Trust election held an informal 'meet the candidates' session at the gazebo. I think all but one of the candidates made it. I recall the candidate statements and photos taken that day appeared in the Herald, which was good for the process.

The main problem with the hustings date was holding it the day after posting the information out, so voters would have little idea about the candidates, and perhaps even little idea there was a hustings at all.

Too true Tim. It's almost as if they didn't want the voters access to the hustings and want a straight popularity contest.

Then again it is consistent with how everything about the whole process has been handled.

I think now it should be decided in a blind date kind of way, with all the candidates behind a screen and all asked questions like "If you were elected to the board, what would you do to ensure I wasn't bored" and " I would like a very hands on kind of guy, would you be able to guarantee you would keep me a breast of developments" And finally to candidate b, I want my board members to be right behind me, keeping me close to me action and pressing home your point if the need were to arise, is that how you envisage your position?"

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http://www.pasoti.co.uk/talk/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=71077

Why does Graham Clark 'understand that only two of the nine candidates confirmed that they would be attending the 'hustings'? How did he come to this 'understanding'? And who is he to make this 'understanding' public?

I can't for the life of me understand why he should know. Nice bit of briefing going on and a little dig at the Trust tucked in there as well.

What with TonyChowell name checking the nickname for the CEO and this 'understanding' Home Park seems to be getting a bit leaky of late and things beyond the ken of normal REAL fans.

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At this laughable point either the Trust control their sniggers and step in and do the job or they step back and allow someone else/some other body to take over. Whatever, the vacuum needs to be filled.

I just hope that this state of this groundbreaking initiative which will be the envy of all other clubs doesn't get wider publicity.

It would be rather amusing if the Trust was to, in effect, set out rules for the PASB, organise elections, etc, and Cholwell gets to work under them.

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Do you reckon that the PASB when it is running will, in effect, take over the role of CEO of Argyle, saving Brent another wage?

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Do you reckon that the PASB when it is running will, in effect, take over the role of CEO of Argyle, saving Brent another wage?

Mock,

This (although said in jest, I suspect) does actually touch upon a real, key point re the role of the PASB.

I've mentioned before that I've met / am meeting with a number of people who are pretty much 'experts' in terms of corporate governance & we will need to be careful that the PASB doesn't in any way offset the unswerving legal responsibility of the club's legal Board.

Of course the way that football clubs are run is bloody odd, & is contrary to how companies are 'meant' to work in our country, with the Chief Exec being the important one & the Board (& the Chairman) in place to monitor the performance of the Chief Exec. As we all know, the Chairman of football clubs tends to do the hiring & firing.

This is why, in my view, that some many clubs get away with financial murder; the people who are meant to be the hands-off over-seers tending to be hands-on managers.

The PASB will need to find a way to deal with the legal side of this - hence the rhetoric of 'holding the club to account' may be more difficult than some think.

As such, this is why I've talked about a more school governor type of approach, but instead of parent-governors we have supporter-governors.

Legally, the PASB could also be of benefit to the operating of the Trust, helping keep something of a firewall between it & the legal requirements that come with corporate governance.

Dull, arguably, but important if we're going to get this supporter involvement right (be it Trust or PASB).

JonB wrote:

Mock Cuncher wrote:

Do you reckon that the PASB when it is running will, in effect, take over the role of CEO of Argyle, saving Brent another wage?

Mock,

This (although said in jest, I suspect) does actually touch upon a real, key point re the role of the PASB.

I've mentioned before that I've met / am meeting with a number of people who are pretty much 'experts' in terms of corporate governance & we will need to be careful that the PASB doesn't in any way offset the unswerving legal responsibility of the club's legal Board.

Of course the way that football clubs are run is bloody odd, & is contrary to how companies are 'meant' to work in our country, with the Chief Exec being the important one & the Board (& the Chairman) in place to monitor the performance of the Chief Exec. As we all know, the Chairman of football clubs tends to do the hiring & firing.

This is why, in my view, that some many clubs get away with financial murder; the people who are meant to be the hands-off over-seers tending to be hands-on managers.

The PASB will need to find a way to deal with the legal side of this - hence the rhetoric of 'holding the club to account' may be more difficult than some think.

As such, this is why I've talked about a more school governor type of approach, but instead of parent-governors we have supporter-governors.

Legally, the PASB could also be of benefit to the operating of the Trust, helping keep something of a firewall between it & the legal requirements that come with corporate governance.

Dull, arguably, but important if we're going to get this supporter involvement right (be it Trust or PASB).

You're wise.

I was being serious, actually.

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