PASB election update

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http://www.pafc.co.uk/news/article/presidents-progress-pasb-timetable-363580.aspx

Pathetic planning... Hang your heads in shame whoever organised this farce.

The 'papers' get sent out September 28th and the Husting meeting which will be held to question candidates will be held on September the 29th at 10.00 Am at a venue to be announced.

Considering there has been practically zilch publicity by the club, how many 'members' do you think will find out in time to attend unless they are ardent followers of news on the internet?

No wonder Argyle are up the creek without a paddle.

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Rickler wrote:

http://www.pafc.co.uk/news/article/presidents-progress-pasb-timetable-363580.aspx

Pathetic planning... Hang your heads in shame whoever organised this farce.

The 'papers' get sent out September 28th and the Husting meeting which will be held to question candidates will be held on September the 29th at 10.00 Am at a venue to be announced.

Considering there has been practically zilch publicity by the club, how many 'members' do you think will find out in time to attend unless they are ardent followers of news on the internet?

No wonder Argyle are up the creek without a paddle.

I thought that an intrinsic part of this process was for non-internet fans to be engaged. Many people harp on that PASOTI etc only form a tiny part of the fanbase. As Rickler says if I'm a non-internet member how the hell am I supposed to get to a meeting on the 29th if the papers are only sent on the 28th?

That means that internet savvy members are going to form the large of the voting base and the vast majority of the hustings audience. That will deliver a set of representatives well known within the argyle internet "community".

What a stitch up and a waste of time.

Subject: Re: PASB election update Wed Sep 12, 2012 2:04 pm

The turnout will illustrate the legitimacy of this deeply flawed concept and process...or not, as the case maybe.

Subject: Re: PASB election update Wed Sep 12, 2012 2:08 pm

Nick Wall wrote:

Rickler wrote:

http://www.pafc.co.uk/news/article/presidents-progress-pasb-timetable-363580.aspx

Pathetic planning... Hang your heads in shame whoever organised this farce.

The 'papers' get sent out September 28th and the Husting meeting which will be held to question candidates will be held on September the 29th at 10.00 Am at a venue to be announced.

Considering there has been practically zilch publicity by the club, how many 'members' do you think will find out in time to attend unless they are ardent followers of news on the internet?

No wonder Argyle are up the creek without a paddle.

I thought that an intrinsic part of this process was for non-internet fans to be engaged. Many people harp on that PASOTI etc only form a tiny part of the fanbase. As Rickler says if I'm a non-internet member how the hell am I supposed to get to a meeting on the 29th if the papers are only sent on the 28th?

That means that internet savvy members are going to form the large of the voting base and the vast majority of the hustings audience. That will deliver a set of representatives well known within the argyle internet "community".

What a stitch up and a waste of time.

Surprise, surprise Laughing

And this is all being overseen by the ERS?

I hope about 5 people turn up for the Hustings and 2 of them abstain from voting.

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Charlie Wood wrote:

The turnout will illustrate the legitimacy of this deeply flawed concept and process...or not, as the case maybe.

I'll have a wager with you that the candidates will be announced by % and not by the number of votes and there certainly won't be a % of the total eligble to vote publicised. The upcoming elections for Police Commissioners is deemed to be in crisis because there is an expected turnout of 18%.

How many members do we have?

Incidentally the number one criticism of these elections by the Electoral Reform Society is the non-engagement with non internet based voters.

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Nick Wall wrote:

Rickler wrote:

http://www.pafc.co.uk/news/article/presidents-progress-pasb-timetable-363580.aspx

Pathetic planning... Hang your heads in shame whoever organised this farce.

The 'papers' get sent out September 28th and the Husting meeting which will be held to question candidates will be held on September the 29th at 10.00 Am at a venue to be announced.

Considering there has been practically zilch publicity by the club, how many 'members' do you think will find out in time to attend unless they are ardent followers of news on the internet?

No wonder Argyle are up the creek without a paddle.

I thought that an intrinsic part of this process was for non-internet fans to be engaged. Many people harp on that PASOTI etc only form a tiny part of the fanbase. As Rickler says if I'm a non-internet member how the hell am I supposed to get to a meeting on the 29th if the papers are only sent on the 28th?

That means that internet savvy members are going to form the large of the voting base and the vast majority of the hustings audience. That will deliver a set of representatives well known within the argyle internet "community".

What a stitch up and a waste of time.

Unless the statements are sent out by courier, there's no way they'll arrive in time for members to study them and challenge the candidates on their statements at these hustings. Part of any election process should be the ability of voters to take candidates to task for their views, experience and motivation for standing. Unless we have the candidates statements in front of us, there's no way anyone will be able to undertake any meaningful scrutiny of the so-called fans' representatives.

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this is cack and a total stitch up. Has Rapson or the other anti trust poodles anything to say
on this?

Subject: Re: PASB election update Wed Sep 12, 2012 2:31 pm

If this was a voting system enforced on a Union I'd hazard a guess that it wouldn't be universally welcomed , and that's the most disappointing aspect in all of this.

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shonbo wrote:

this is cack and a total stitch up. Has Rapson or the other anti trust poodles anything to say
on this?

Indeed. Can you imagine if the Trust had imposed these deadlines for their own members....there would be carnage from the usual suspects.

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Barely a whimper about it over the way. Oh apart from the most Gassy of Gasboard candidates.

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It is a no win situation, however if the % turnout is less then 20% maybe the elections could be declared void?

However I don't think it is a stitch up any member could have put there name forward. We are also the only club in the Country to have been given such an opportunity, I hope the new board work with the Trust.

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Lee Jameson wrote:

It is a no win situation, however if the % turnout is less then 20% maybe the elections could be declared void?

However I don't think it is a stitch up any member could have put there name forward. We are also the only club in the Country to have been given such an opportunity, I hope the new board work with the Trust.

I hope so too but i have grave concerns as soon as its set up the trust will be devalued by them and fade away. The trust should be the PASB now as its independent from the club therefore cant be corrupted by the club like PASB can be.

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Lee Jameson wrote:

It is a no win situation, however if the % turnout is less then 20% maybe the elections could be declared void?

However I don't think it is a stitch up any member could have put there name forward. We are also the only club in the Country to have been given such an opportunity, I hope the new board work with the Trust.

Agree with this. I think it should of only been open too people who represent a group of argyle fans such as the trust and some of the bigger argyle supporter groups.

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How has PASALB selected it's GasBoard member? How happy are PASALB to share their membership numbers and financial position?

I'm only asking as it's a bit of a bug bear that supporters groups are joining a board charged with ensuring transparency and accountability of the main Argyle board without having to prove the same about themselves.

It's not just directed at the London branch but should be a prerequisite for all groups who join the GasBoard.

Subject: Re: PASB election update Wed Sep 12, 2012 6:46 pm

Just to add to the never-ending list of cock-ups associated with the PASB, one of the 9 candidates, Jon B, cannot make the Hustings planned for the 29th, but it seems that no-one thought to ask the candidates lol!

http://www.pasoti.co.uk/talk/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=70833

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Without wishing to get another rollicking The Prez one of the leads on the gasboard project seems better or more interested in organising a fundraising football match. Maybe that says something.

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Dougie wrote:

How has PASALB selected it's GasBoard member? How happy are PASALB to share their membership numbers and financial position?

I'm only asking as it's a bit of a bug bear that supporters groups are joining a board charged with ensuring transparency and accountability of the main Argyle board without having to prove the same about themselves.

It's not just directed at the London branch but should be a prerequisite for all groups who join the GasBoard.

This.

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PASALB have not yet decided if fact I am not sure it has been confirmed we have a place on the PASB.

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Just posted the following on pasoti and thought I'd share it with you all.

I doubt that I am alone in receiving no communications about the PASB in quite some time.

The entire election should have been one organised process, which only started once it was ready to be run having been properly promoted along with adequate communication channels for candidates to be questioned by supporters.

One thing I can definitely say that I would like to do if elected to the PASB is to sort out the processes by which it is run.

To call this anything less than shambolic would be quite ridiculous and I find it quite shocking that all those who have attacked volunteers working in their spare time in order to benefit other supporters have not had the bottle to criticise an utterly flawed process that has the weight of a professional football club behind it.

Oh well, at least there will be plenty for people to do once elected. Unfortunately the process of working out how it will work and what its parameters will be is sure to detract from the important purpose of scrutinising the board. It's almost as if it would have been easier just to give this role to an already democratic and constituted body to begin with...

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Lee Jameson wrote:

PASALB have not yet decided if fact I am not sure it has been confirmed we have a place on the PASB.

Lee, it was my understanding that, of all the regional supporters groups to be represented, the London branch was the most deserving of a seat. This was based on both numbers and activity as the London branch is the largest and most active group.

Thinking about it a bit more, it should also have pretty good access to certain expertise that may be of use to the PASB.

Subject: Re: PASB election update Wed Sep 12, 2012 8:43 pm

john petrie wrote:

Just posted the following on pasoti and thought I'd share it with you all.

I doubt that I am alone in receiving no communications about the PASB in quite some time.

The entire election should have been one organised process, which only started once it was ready to be run having been properly promoted along with adequate communication channels for candidates to be questioned by supporters.

One thing I can definitely say that I would like to do if elected to the PASB is to sort out the processes by which it is run.

To call this anything less than shambolic would be quite ridiculous and I find it quite shocking that all those who have attacked volunteers working in their spare time in order to benefit other supporters have not had the bottle to criticise an utterly flawed process that has the weight of a professional football club behind it.

Oh well, at least there will be plenty for people to do once elected. Unfortunately the process of working out how it will work and what its parameters will be is sure to detract from the important purpose of scrutinising the board. It's almost as if it would have been easier just to give this role to an already democratic and constituted body to begin with...

Careful John, you might start getting threats as well if you keep posting sensible things like this.

Of course the PASB has not come under attack from the gang, because it's Brent's idea, but I'm sure Leigh is on standby should the usual suspects decide they don't want it to succeed, you know how fickle these saboteurs can be.

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Greenjock wrote:

john petrie wrote:

Just posted the following on pasoti and thought I'd share it with you all.

I doubt that I am alone in receiving no communications about the PASB in quite some time.

The entire election should have been one organised process, which only started once it was ready to be run having been properly promoted along with adequate communication channels for candidates to be questioned by supporters.

One thing I can definitely say that I would like to do if elected to the PASB is to sort out the processes by which it is run.

To call this anything less than shambolic would be quite ridiculous and I find it quite shocking that all those who have attacked volunteers working in their spare time in order to benefit other supporters have not had the bottle to criticise an utterly flawed process that has the weight of a professional football club behind it.

Oh well, at least there will be plenty for people to do once elected. Unfortunately the process of working out how it will work and what its parameters will be is sure to detract from the important purpose of scrutinising the board. It's almost as if it would have been easier just to give this role to an already democratic and constituted body to begin with...

Careful John, you might start getting threats as well if you keep posting sensible things like this.

Of course the PASB has not come under attack from the gang, because it's Brent's idea, but I'm sure Leigh is on standby should the usual suspects decide they don't want it to succeed, you know how fickle these saboteurs can be.

Oh Jock you cynic. They are waiting to see who gets elected. If they don't like them thats when they will launch the attacks. Its called democracy.

Subject: Re: PASB election update Wed Sep 12, 2012 9:05 pm

Of course a real cynic might think that Jon B had told them dates he couldn't make, and that's why these dates had been chosen Suspect

but I'm sure that's not the case here, fairly sure, possibly.

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Oh how I love a good farce!

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A good farce requires someone to drop their trousers. Perhaps that could be part of the GasBoard initiation ceremony. Bet Chowell would be up for it if it got him in with Brent.

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